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So we've got potentially several years worth of class decks ahead of us. Which ones are people most anticipating? I don't know if they're going to stick to any sort of order when releasing them once we finish the CRB classes - maybe roughly the order or RPG release?
Here's ones I'm eager to see:
Witch - I like how they did the hex mechanic on Feiya, and it would be neat to see alternate takes (for example, in the RPG there is a witch that casts off of Constitution).
Gunslinger - just to be able to play one in other sets without feeling like I have to strip all the guns out of S&S to import with it
I'm kind of curious for Summoner if cohorts are going to be a Wrath-only thing or if the class deck summoners will all have unique cohort eidolons.
The psychic magic classes are brand new in the RPG but I wonder if they will have a new "Psychic" spell trait and matching skill.
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Monk. Hands down. I am dying for that Monk deck.
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Oracle class deck, cuz it means I can play Alahazra in guild play. I want to see what they do with the rest as well, since oracles are so varied.
I want to see what they do with my favorite rpg classes, so inquisitor and investigator. Imrijka had some really interesting powers, but I ended up not enjoying playing her, but I could see variations being fun. I'd like to see some crazy skill powers on investigators.
Monk. Hands down. I am dying for that Monk deck.
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Monk. Hands down. I am dying for that Monk deck.+1
+2, Sajan was a beast in RotR. My first character and to this day the one I enjoyed most.
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Seeing the new Occult classes in the RPG, I'm really pumped to see them in ACG form. I have to say my top 3 are
1) Occultist
2) Monk
3) Gunslinger
Sajan is still my favorite currently existing character, and I'm super excited to see him and his fellow Monks later this year. While I did enjoy Damiel over Lirianne, I want to see more usage of firearms, and variety in how they are used.
Kineticist and Mesmerist, definitely.
We've got some pretty strong opinions of our own, but I rather suspect we'll keep a good eye on your responses here :)
From the classes that don't have decks announced yet, I'd say Summoner and Arcanist.
Monk. Hands down. I am dying for that Monk deck.+1
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Sajan revival.
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Goblin.
I know it isn't technically a class, but it still seems like an awesome idea. I'm hoping if we talk about it enough they'll make one.
Generally be good to have an easy way of using the classes that don't work outside of their AP- gunslinger, alchemist etc.
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RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32
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Well, Alchemist and Oracle are on the products page, so if there is a pattern, it looks like we are either getting:
APG classes
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S&S classes next.
I guess we'll have more data if Warpriest or Swashbuckler show up before Cavalier and Summoner.
Lots of people seem to like Monks. I confess I've only played Sajan a little bit.
Kineticist could be interesting...built in Con+d6 attack that counts as a spell maybe?
I wonder if we'll ever get a class deck before a main set uses that class?
Sajan and Ezren were my favorite characters in RotR. Ezren is the best, but we already have a Wizard deck, so Monk is next for me...
For characters that we haven't seen yet in PACG, I'd pick Vigilante just because the character sounds really interesting in Pathfinder and I'm curious how that could be translated to PACG.
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I don't know if they're going to stick to any sort of order when releasing them once we finish the CRB classes - maybe roughly the order or RPG release?
Nope. There's no huge list going deep into the future. We do them in batches of 3 or 4, and usually, we decide what the next batch is just shortly before the designers are ready to work on them. We factor in obvious things like what we're doing with Adventure Paths and OP (for example, Paladin was the top of the list for new decks because of Wrath) and less obvious things like making sure we space out basic character types (we don't want a bunch of focused spellcasters all in a row, for example). But we also factor in whether or not the designers already have a bunch of ideas sitting around for a particular class, or whether a class might benefit from mechanics that we plan to introduce in a future Adventure Path, or just whether the designers are particularly keen on working up a particular class.
Which is to say, I think we'll keep surprising you.
For characters that we haven't seen yet in PACG, I'd pick Vigilante just because the character sounds really interesting in Pathfinder and I'm curious how that could be translated to PACG.
I'll take a stab at it: you use both sides of your Role card, and have a mechanic where you can flip between your Social personal and your Vigilante persona during play.
Oracle class deck would be interesting, see how they handle oracle curses/revelations across multiple characters.
Antipaladin would be funny, but I've never actually played one in the RPG so dunno how well or if they work. But it means that we'll finally get an Antipaladin iconic though :)
Gunslinger class deck only if that picture from Reign of Winter 5 of Lirianne having the time of her life makes it onto a card in some way/shape/form. Seriously, that picture is amazing.
Finally, a Commoner class deck, for use in a housecat-themed set in order to settle the age-old question of which would win in a fight...
Announced ones? Paladin, Alchemist and Druid
Non-announced ones? Kineticist (CON casting stat is interesting), Brawler, Slayer, Warpriest, Magus
I would also like to see some interesting Prestige Class role cards like Zarlova's Mystic Theurge. Champion of Irori tops my list in that regard.
Magus, Oracle, Investigator, and Witch, as I have well-loved RPG characters in all of these classes.
(And my Magus was a Dwarf and Strength-based, thank you very much! Sadly, his crafting abilities wouldn't factor into the card game.)
I haven't played many Prestige Classes in Pathfinder, but I did enjoy playing a Knight of Ozem in our Carrion Crown campaign. Would probably fit well with a Cavalier.
Why not? Vika's a craftswoman.
How would you model spending downtime bumping someone's sword from +1 to +2 undead bane or making rings of freedom of movement or necklaces of adaptation and +2 natural armor for the entire party?
You could do something, maybe "[] once per game at the start of your turn, banish a weapon or armor ([] or item) to draw and bury a random card of the same type with an AD number 1 ([] or 2) higher from the box". It's just an area where the RPG lets you be super flexible in making custom magic items and the ACG can't.
Aside: This shows on the martial characters in general in the card game. In the RPG you usually have one weapon type (longsword, say) you use most of the time and steadily upgrade or replace it, while in the ACG you always have a raft of weapons and rarely get to upgrade with the same type.
Yeah, I like that power. That power would get used. It's probably a little OP and would need rebalancing.
Quite possibly. After all:
Total authoring time: 10 minutes.
Number of playtests: 0.
Let me put something together and get back to you. :)
Alchemist.
I'm looking forward to the Alchemist, I had a great time playing Damiel(and it was a big surprise because I don't usually play characters of that type but he was a blast, if you pardon the pun). Next would be Inquisitor, I waited patiently for Imrijka and she was worth the wait. I'm also hoping that we get an Iconic spy so we can get a spy deck.
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Damiel was grossly overpowered as was Lini. Staggering amounts of healing, bonuses to everything and the ability to explore multiple times. The trifecta of power.
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GOBLINS!!!! We need a deck for Ekkie, Ranzak and the others with full of specific new goblin boons.... And new characters so we can play "We Be Goblins", "We Be Goblins too" and "We Be Goblins free" full 6p party games. And of course those 3 scenarios should be in :-)
Gunslinger class deck only if that picture from Reign of Winter 5 of Lirianne having the time of her life makes it onto a card in some way/shape/form. Seriously, that picture is amazing.
I just found this on a quick google search, is this what you mean?
If so, I definitely want to see it (and/or Reign of Winter as an AP).
Also, +1 for Anti-Paladin
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GOBLINS!!!! We need a deck for Ekkie, Ranzak and the others with full of specific new goblin boons.... And new characters so we can play "We Be Goblins", "We Be Goblins too" and "We Be Goblins free" full 6p party games. And of course those 3 scenarios should be in :-)
Frencois, I'd rather see this as a 4 character add-on deck with goblin themed boons to add to their decks (there are already some promos that would work here). And I want it based on characters from We Be Goblins modules.
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I'd vote for Gunslinger. I'm a fan of unusual character classes in any rpg, so this one has had the most appeal to me so far. I've never played the actual Pathfinder rpg so my knowledge of character classes is limited to what I've seen in the card game. I'd also pick Gunslinger because I seem to remember one of the developers saying they expected it would be difficult to make this deck.... Not that I'm evil or anything... >.> Actually, add on Swashbuckler. I'm pretty sure they were included in the same post. Still no evil... <.<
And let Mike have a Necromancer deck. I know they'd all be wizards or sorcerers or some-such but we'd all know they are really Necros.
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And let Mike have a Necromancer deck. I know they'd all be wizards or sorcerers or some-such but we'd all know they are really Necros.
That is a really interesting idea which I'm not sure we've considered. What I think you're saying here is that the deck would have a set of boons that would be good for various characters to do a particular thing (in this case: raise an undead army). So the characters wouldn't have to be specifically one class, as long as they could all do that thing quite well. Intriguing thought.
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And let Mike have a Necromancer deck. I know they'd all be wizards or sorcerers or some-such but we'd all know they are really Necros.That is a really interesting idea which I'm not sure we've considered. What I think you're saying here is that the deck would have a set of boons that would be good for various characters to do a particular thing (in this case: raise an undead army). So the characters wouldn't have to be specifically one class, as long as they could all do that thing quite well. Intriguing thought.
Actually, yes that is pretty much what I had in mind. ^_^ I really didn't think something like this was do-able, but if you can make it work, more power to you Mike. I know I'd like to see this happen.
Gunslinger class deck only if that picture from Reign of Winter 5 of Lirianne having the time of her life makes it onto a card in some way/shape/form. Seriously, that picture is amazing.I just found this on a quick google search, is this what you mean?
If so, I definitely want to see it (and/or Reign of Winter as an AP).
Also, +1 for Anti-Paladin
Yep, that's the one. RoW as an AP would be tricky to pull off given its entire underlying flavor/mechanic (spoiler free overview: players move around a lot, so banes/boons that fit thematically in one adventure deck won't necessarily fit in a later adventure deck). I have full faith in Mike and his crew that they can pull it off though if need be, they've done some amazing things before too.
Also, +1 for theme decks that mix classes that are all good at a particular "thing" as opposed to everyone belonging to a particular class. Would be a good way to extend the longevity of the Class Deck line if nothing else once you run out of RPG classes.
Actually, yes that is pretty much what I had in mind. ^_^ I really didn't think something like this was do-able, but if you can make it work, more power to you Mike. I know I'd like to see this happen.And let Mike have a Necromancer deck. I know they'd all be wizards or sorcerers or some-such but we'd all know they are really Necros.That is a really interesting idea which I'm not sure we've considered. What I think you're saying here is that the deck would have a set of boons that would be good for various characters to do a particular thing (in this case: raise an undead army). So the characters wouldn't have to be specifically one class, as long as they could all do that thing quite well. Intriguing thought.
The idea of a theme that various classes orbit around is a really fun idea, so that the boon's can be much more focused. Might make some situations difficult but very fun to have that flavor shine through for the character.
I'd cast a vote for that. :)
My most favorite class deck will be the one iconic hero with the giant fly as an ally.
Could you make things fly?
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And let Mike have a Necromancer deck. I know they'd all be wizards or sorcerers or some-such but we'd all know they are really Necros.
In Pathfinder RPG terms, "necromancer" specifically refers to a wizard that specializes in necromancy magic. (Other specialist wizards includes abjurer, conjurer, diviner, enchanter, evoker, illusionist, and transmuter.) If we wanted to have non-wizards who deal with undead magics, we would probably choose a different word than "necromancer."
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You could always do a special edition of Flenta with a "Necromantic Faker" Role ; ).
And let Mike have a Necromancer deck. I know they'd all be wizards or sorcerers or some-such but we'd all know they are really Necros.In Pathfinder RPG terms, "necromancer" specifically refers to a wizard that specializes in necromancy magic. (Other specialist wizards includes abjurer, conjurer, diviner, enchanter, evoker, illusionist, and transmuter.) If we wanted to have non-wizards who deal with undead magics, we would probably choose a different word than "necromancer."
I'm sure the Paizo people could think of something that'll make everyone say "I want that! I want two of that!"
You could always do a special edition of Flenta with a "Necromantic Faker" Role ; ).
I would love to see this, especially if it gets a new character portrait. Flenta's current portrait always makes me laugh. Her expression is just right, as if simultaneously saying "I give up." and "I hate you scroll!" and "You will tell me your secrets.".
Announced: Monk for some reason.
Unannounced: Magus, Inquisitor, wild variations of clerics, evil characters.
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Announced: Monk for some reason.
I think the Tengu is a big part of my excitement in the back of my mind. I love non-human characters, and love to see them in PACG.
Unannounced: Magus, Inquisitor, wild variations of clerics, evil characters.
Unfortunately I don't see evil character builds coming any time soon. If they do, though, I'd love to see an Antipaladin!
Unfortunately I don't see evil character builds coming any time soon. If they do, though, I'd love to see an Antipaladin!
Pretty sure Tontelizi, Wrathack, Olenjack, Wu Shen, Qualzar, and Darago all fall on the evil end of the alignment axis.
I think I read somewhere that Seltyiel is Lawful Evil, too.
Maybe this is a project someone more familiar with the iconics and the NPC Codex would like to look into... What are the RPG alignments of our iconic and class deck "heroes"?
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Unfortunately I don't see evil character builds coming any time soon. If they do, though, I'd love to see an Antipaladin!Pretty sure Tontelizi, Wrathack, Olenjack, Wu Shen, Qualzar, and Darago all fall on the evil end of the alignment axis.
I think I read somewhere that Seltyiel is Lawful Evil, too.
Maybe this is a project someone more familiar with the iconics and the NPC Codex would like to look into... What are the RPG alignments of our iconic and class deck "heroes"?
I grabbed the above list for you.
Tontelizi - N (NPC Codex p. 94)
Wrathack - CE (NPC Codex p. 138)
Olenjack - LE (NPC Codex p. 152)
Wu Shen - LE (NPC Codex p. 158)
Qualzar - CE (NPC Codex p. 165)
Darago - NE (NPC Codex p. 193, not named)
Seltyiel - LE (Second Darkness, which I don't have at hand.)
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And let Mike have a Necromancer deck. I know they'd all be wizards or sorcerers or some-such but we'd all know they are really Necros.In Pathfinder RPG terms, "necromancer" specifically refers to a wizard that specializes in necromancy magic. (Other specialist wizards includes abjurer, conjurer, diviner, enchanter, evoker, illusionist, and transmuter.) If we wanted to have non-wizards who deal with undead magics, we would probably choose a different word than "necromancer."
The Deck itself could be called something like "Agents of Undeath". I would buy it, no question. It would also solve the whole issue with the cards being spread too thin... if you have all the cards in the deck themed to do a certain thing, even if the characters themselves are totally different classes, then there'll be less issue with characters being "forced" to take non-ideal cards. But hopefully doing 3 characters per deck is already mitigating that. :)
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Announced: Monk for some reason.I think the Tengu is a big part of my excitement in the back of my mind. I love non-human characters, and love to see them in PACG.
Unfortunately I don't see evil character builds coming any time soon. If they do, though, I'd love to see an Antipaladin!Unannounced: Magus, Inquisitor, wild variations of clerics, evil characters.
If they ever do a goblin-themed character deck, I would fully expect to see an antipaladin in there (which, BTW, would actually have the Paladin trait, as the Antipaladins in Wrath have had so far).