Spell-like Ability ruling: You can still qualify for Loremaster

[Covert Operator]

Loremaster requirements wrote:

Skills: Knowledge (any two) 7 ranks in each.

Feats: Any three metamagic or item creation feats, plus Skill Focus (Knowledge [any individual Knowledge skill]).

Spells: Able to cast seven different divination spells, one of which must be 3rd level or higher.

So as long as you have 7 divination spells as spell-like abilities (one 3rd level or higher) that qualifies you for the PrC because of the weird wording.

Is it actually possible, I'd like to know, to have 7 unique divination spell-likes? Anything in the Pathfinder universe, they can be a monster who gains class levels, whatever.

The answer is probably going to be a custom Unfettered Eidolon, lol.

[LazarX]

Not even an Eidolon can manage that much. best they can manage is 2nd level spells I think.

[Pounce]

A 1st level Elf with the Envoy and Fey Magic racial traits has potentially 7 unique divination SLA's:
(Envoy: Comprehend Languages, Detect Magic, Detect Poison, Read Magic)
(Fey Magic: Guidance, Know Direction, + your pick of a 1st level Druid spell (Heightened Awareness, perhaps?)

= 7 divination SLA's. Together with the Wizard VMC (Scryer), any Elf character should quality at L7, I believe.

[Pounce]

Or you could always just dip Wizard for a level, of course.

[avr]

You'd still want some casting (ideally full casting) for loremaster to advance of course, it doesn't have a lot going for it otherwise. So this might help a sorcerer or oracle loremaster save on spells known?

[Ellioti]

how about the Bookish Rogue Feat. This qualifies for the first six spells. still need a race to get the 3rd lvl spell

[Ragoz]

Am I missing something? The prereq doesn't call out a spell name explicitly so nothing will qualify for this as a SLA.

Is there a reason to qualify with only SLAs even if you could? You can't bypass the skill ranks anyway so there isn't much reason to just not have divination spells.

[LazarX]

Pounce wrote:

A 1st level Elf with the Envoy and Fey Magic racial traits has potentially 7 unique divination SLA's:

(Envoy: Comprehend Languages, Detect Magic, Detect Poison, Read Magic)
(Fey Magic: Guidance, Know Direction, + your pick of a 1st level Druid spell (Heightened Awareness, perhaps?)

= 7 divination SLA's. Together with the Wizard VMC (Scryer), any Elf character should quality at L7, I believe.

Where is your third level spell?

[avr]

@Ragoz - it might have value for a spontaneous caster wanting to save spells known. Not that I'd get no divination spells personally, but not having to get all 7 might be worthwhile.

@LazarX - VMC Wizard (scryer) has that covered.

[Gisher]

Covert Operator wrote:

Loremaster requirements wrote:

Skills: Knowledge (any two) 7 ranks in each.

Feats: Any three metamagic or item creation feats, plus Skill Focus (Knowledge [any individual Knowledge skill]).

Spells: Able to cast seven different divination spells, one of which must be 3rd level or higher.

So as long as you have 7 divination spells as spell-like abilities (one 3rd level or higher) that qualifies you for the PrC because of the weird wording.

Like Ragoz, I don't see this at all.

FAQ wrote:

Spell-Like Abilities, Casting, and Prerequisites: Does a creature with a spell-like ability count as being able to cast that spell for the purpose of prerequisites or requirements?

Only if the pre-requisite calls out the name of a spell explicitly. For instance, the Dimensional Agility feat (Ultimate Combat) has "ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door" as a prerequisite; a barghest has dimension door as a spell-like ability, so the barghest meets the "able to cast dimension door prerequisite for that feat. However, the barghest's dimension door would not meet requirements such as "Ability to cast 4th level spells" or "Ability to cast arcane spells".

Where does Loremaster explicitly call out the names of the spells needed to qualify? For example, Pounce listed Detect Magic as an SLA that could be used to meet the prerequisite, but the phrase Detect Magic isn't mentioned anywhere in the Loremaster description, let alone in prerequisites section.

[Paladin of Baha-who?]

This doesn't work, and would be pointless even if it did. You can't get early entry into Loremaster. By the time you're eighth level, any spellcasting class other than paladin/ranger/bloodrager can get 3rd level spells.

[Covert Operator]

Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:

This doesn't work, and would be pointless even if it did. You can't get early entry into Loremaster. By the time you're eighth level, any spellcasting class other than paladin/ranger/bloodrager can get 3rd level spells.

What about for monsters though? It could make for a cool intelligent NPC.

On a different note, all those ideas that grant a lot of level 0 and 1 spells can get their third level spell by taking Believer's Boon, which can grant the Travel (Exploration) spell-like ability that functions as Clairvoyance (a level 3 divination spell)

[Ragoz]

It's not a matter of being a PC or monster. It a matter of the entry requirement not explicitly calling each spell out by name. Loremaster doesn't do so.

An example of the SLA ruling still working is the Spell Dancer magus Spell Dance ability which says:

Quote:

At 9th level, the spell dancer may instead take a swift action to use dimension door as a spell-like ability once during a spelldance.

This lets you take Dimensional Agility which requires the ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door. It's also nice this is actually the example used in the FAQ.

[Covert Operator]

Yeah I guess so Ragoz and Gisher.

I thought the gist of the FAQ was that "able to cast 3rd-level spells" requires you to have the class feature, but it looks now like it's more extensive than that.

[Shakalaka]

There's very few prestige classes that specify a spell requirement, the only one I'm aware of is Aspis Agent, which could be entered using Mordant Envoy. Sadly, it's only an alternative method of entry, not early. But there could be others.