New PACG adventure path annoucement will be offically next weekend or today ...


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It will be

Name of the upcoming base set:

Either
- Shattered star 1
- Legends of Golarion 2
- Reign of Winter 3
- Lost Coast 4
- Dungeons Deep 5

These are the paths which where were already covered such as RotR and SS within Pathfinder Battles. The next one will be non-fantasy.... Which of the above named ones is...

Please just name the number of the non-fantasy ones.

I bet 10 bucks on these.

Grand Lodge

First, there HAS NOT been an announcement.

Second, non-fantasy?!?

Pathfinder is based on fantasy ... LOL

Why can't it be any of the Adventure Paths?
I wouldn't bet on anything except that it won't be Giantslayer or Hell's Rebels.


Well first one was

RotR - fantasy
SS - non-fantasy
WotR - fantasy
...
Next 1 - non-fantasy

So which number could it be?

PS: standard fantasy - non-standard-fantasy - standard fantasy... This is Paizos choosen cycle of PACG path releases ...

Grand Lodge

Myfly, all of Pathfinder is fantasy ...

Skull and Shackles simply dips into the fantasy of pirates and swashbucklers but it definitely is fantasy. Again, I think you're way off on this one.


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Stop stating your assumptions as fact. In this case, it's the definition of "fantasy". You're describing some more specific called "Medievalism".

It's a criticism I have with a lot people who do believe that Tolkienesque fantasy is the only fantasy period because that's what they grew up reading. It's wrong and it's very exclusive by definition.


The announcement will be made at the PaizoCon Banquet on Saturday, May 23.


elcoderdude wrote:
The announcement will be made at the PaizoCon Banquet on Saturday, May 23.

We will see next week if I am a good visionary. I am pretty sure, otherwise I found some improvement issues for Paizos sale strategy which would also be a reason to celebrate !!!


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Legends of Golarion, Lost Coast, and Dungeons Deep aren't even RPG adventure paths, they are just names for miniature sets. So I'm pretty sure it won't be any of those, any more than the next PACG Adventure Path will be "Iconic Heroes".


Hawkmoon269 wrote:
Legends of Golarion, Lost Coast, and Dungeons Deep aren't even RPG adventure paths, they are just names for miniature sets. So I'm pretty sure it won't be any of those, any more than the next PACG Adventure Path will be "Iconic Heroes".

Well, then there remains only #1 and #3 from my spoiler section. Which one is non-standard-fantasy?


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Given that the miniatures in the Reign of Winter Pathfinder Battles set include on named "Russian Machine Gunner" I'm going to guess that is pretty non-standard. I have no idea whether that will influence which adventure path is chosen next or not. And I also know hardly anything about Shattered Star.


Well...

Shattered Star is a "spiritual successor" to RotR - read: updated story, similar shenanigans.
Reign of Winter involves tromping around Siberia during World War 1. Literally.

Judge for yourself.


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Sandslice wrote:

Well...

Shattered Star is a "spiritual successor" to RotR - read: updated story, similar shenanigans.
Reign of Winter involves tromping around Siberia during World War 1. Literally.

Judge for yourself.

Seems unlikely to be either of them then imo. A spiritual successor to RotR with a similar story so soon after RotR itself came out (for PACG) doesn't seem like a wise idea. Reign of Winter isn't in the right universe, so that seems completely out.

Personally, I'm hoping that Jade Regent gets selected as an AP, that storyline looked awesome when I perused the freely available stuff on it and I'd love to be able to play it (I may end up just buying the actual AP and working some of its elements into my current ongoing RPG :P).


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That, however, is only one adventure of Reign of Winter. The rest are much more conventional.


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I don't really see any connection between the Pathfinder Battles line and the Adventure Card Game. While you can really use the Iconic miniatures for the player characters to indicate a character's location instead of using the token cards, there really isn't any use for miniatures of monsters. I don't believe there really is any synergy, and so I think any adventure path is viable.


skizzerz wrote:
Sandslice wrote:

Well...

Shattered Star is a "spiritual successor" to RotR - read: updated story, similar shenanigans.
Reign of Winter involves tromping around Siberia during World War 1. Literally.

Judge for yourself.

Seems unlikely to be either of them then imo. A spiritual successor to RotR with a similar story so soon after RotR itself came out (for PACG) doesn't seem like a wise idea. Reign of Winter isn't in the right universe, so that seems completely out.

Personally, I'm hoping that Jade Regent gets selected as an AP, that storyline looked awesome when I perused the freely available stuff on it and I'd love to be able to play it (I may end up just buying the actual AP and working some of its elements into my current ongoing RPG :P).

No, not again a RotR successor which is according to my developed strategy a "standard-fantasy theme".

So then REIGN OF WINTER it is !!!

Yes, I can see it in my crystal ball :)))

Sovereign Court

I want to see Reign of Winter more than anything. Rasputin and living tanks. All other arguments are invalid and all other paths are inferior.

If I had to guess, I'd say there is an almost non existant correlation between PACG and Battles miniatures that the minis line plays absolutely no part in PACG decisions. The fact that the current 3 paths were in that line is likely nothing more than coincidence.


Andrew L Klein wrote:
I want to see Reign of Winter more than anything. You fight Rasputin and living tanks. All other arguments are invalid and all other paths are inferior.

Here is your Rasputin !

Lets GO to Siberia to kick some frozen *ss..

Grand Lodge

The choice of Adventure Paths used for the Pathfinder Adventure Card Game has nothing to do with the already created Pathfinder Battles miniatures.

I am quite sure that the choice of Rise of the Runelords had a lot to do with the fact that the adventure path was the original one and that tied into other ventures coming up including the Pathfinder Comics which started with the same stories/scenarios as Rise of the Runelords.

As far as the other two adventure paths, Skull & Shackles and Wrath of the Righteous, seem to incorporate alternate features like ships/plunder and mythic paths. For the next adventure path, you might want to look for some new idea that the design team can incorporate into the gameplay rather than whether there's miniatures available. They (Paizo) has already shown they're ready to create new miniatures with cards that can be used with this game. And not miniatures already manufactured.

Grand Lodge

The LOL wasn't at you but the idea that Pathfinder isn't fantasy through and through. It might be an American thing about our humor but wasn't aimed at you but at the thought that Skull & Shackles was non-fantasy.


Theryon Stormrune wrote:
The LOL wasn't at you but the idea that Pathfinder isn't fantasy through and through. It might be an American thing about our humor but wasn't aimed at you but at the thought that Skull & Shackles was non-fantasy.

So Vic said, they will alternate the path themes...

1. RotR was definetly standard-fantasy

2. How would you then categorize SS ? As a non-native speaker, I just did not find the right english word for it.... It is the alternate path.

3. WotR is the standard-fantasy again. Diabolo style!

4. So next path will be an alternate path theme again.

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Yes that's a reasonable expectation that the next will not be a standard fantasy (demons and goblins and such) based on that (Vic saying that sounds vaguely familiar). There's a lot more than you have in your list though, and as Theryon said, they're creating minis with PACG in mind, so old minis aren't going to have much, if any, design impact on PACG.

I don't know the paths well enough to know if any others besides Kingmaker incorporate anything unique like the ships in S&S and Mythic in Wrath. Kingmaker would be a pretty interesting one, I wonder how they'd incorporate that into PACG if they chose to do so.


I also dont know any RPG paths...

I just came up with a PREDICTION strategy for the NEXT path.
So far, RotR AND SS AND WotR are covered by Pathfinder Battles miniatures.
That is a fact. Based on this data and as only alternate fantasy themed path being available as Pathfinder Battles miniature - REIGN OF WINTER is the only possible answer!


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This thread had discussion of adventure paths including that vaguely familiar comment by Vic.


Hawkmoon269 wrote:
This thread had discussion of adventure paths including that vaguely familiar comment by Vic.

That is the categorization that Vic used:

- traditional: RotR & WotR
- less traditional: SS & Reign of Winter :)


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It'd be interesting if the next set is based on Jade Regent since I am going to be running the AP as my first real time being the GM and I'll be running it for my two most dedicated OP players. They're even going to be playing as the same characters they used in OP: Kyra and Seoni. Should be fun and can give them a deeper connection to next season if it's adapted to the card game. I'd like to see how the caravan rules might be translated into the card game.

But yeah, I'm sure I'll like the next set no matter the AP they use. Expanding on the list Hawkmoon made in the above linked thread, these are the possibilities if we assume "less traditional" (and take out Serpent's Skull since another Pirate AP is unlikely):

Legacy of Fire (desert/Arabian)
Carrion Crown (horror)
Jade Regent (ninjas/Asian)
Reign of Winter (WWI/Russian)
Mummy's Mask (Egyptian)
Iron Gods (sci-fi)

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Myfly wrote:

I also dont know any RPG paths...

I just came up with a PREDICTION strategy for the NEXT path.
So far, RotR AND SS AND WotR are covered by Pathfinder Battles miniatures.
That is a fact. Based on this data and as only alternate fantasy themed path being available as Pathfinder Battles miniature - REIGN OF WINTER is the only possible answer!

Have you ever heard the phrase "Correlation does not equal causation"? This is a prime example of that. Just because the first three paths had Battles miniatures doesn't mean that that had anything at all to do with why they chose them.

Your logic makes as much sense as me saying "All three of the current paths all have undead somewhere in them, clearly they are only using paths that have undead in them!"

Reign of Winter not only is not the only possible answer, there's actually so many more possibilities that it's pretty unlikely Reign will be next.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it to be next, but the odds aren't in our favor for that and there is no way for anyone to know unless Paizo flat out tells them. Your looking for connections that don't exist.


Um, yeah . . .

No need for me to read this thread. I'll just wait for the OFFICIAL announcement and in the meanwhile do something WORTHWHILE.

Enjoy.


I'm hoping for Iron Gods


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Most of the RPG adventure paths introduce a unique mechanic of some type that is incorporated into the AP. Some are more significant than others, i.e. Kingmaker had the kingdom building rules, Skull and Shackles had the naval battles, whereas others are less critical - Jade Regent has an interesting Caravan mechanic added, RotR had Sin Magic. There is usually something.

The RPG adventure paths have also been somewhat alternating between more traditional fantasy and more unusual themes, so there are a lot of less traditional APs that they could choose from.

Some examples

Iron Gods - Sci-fantasy
Reign of Winter - Travelling to other planets/Worlds
Kingmaker - More traditional fantasy, but kingdom building is a big part of the AP
Jade Regent - Oriental themed - some tie-ins to RotR
Serpent Skull - Indiana Jones style
Carrion Crown - Horror at its finest

etc.

My tip would be Iron Gods, but it would have still been in production for the RPG while this new ACG AP was in development so that might make it impossible.

If not it, then either Reign of Winter or Jade Regent.

However, I will say that the RPG APs I've read all range from very good to incredible, so whichever one they pick, it will make for a great game.


There's going to be a real announcement in a week.

We won't be playing it for 6 months+

Why not just wait?


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I hate ninjas
I hate robots unless they are devoted to a crazy paranoic friendly computer
I hate machineguns and tanks

So if indeed they go non-classic-medieval-fantastic, I may pass the next time...

Just kidding... But I would certainly prefer Arabian Nights or Indiana Jones to Darth Vador or Rasputin.


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pluvia33 wrote:
Reign of Winter (WWI/Russian)

No.

That's not a correct description of the Reign of Winter AP, and certainly misleading to people who aren't too knowledgable about the RRG AP line. As all Paizo APs, Reign of Winter has six adventures, and only one of them—part 5—is set on Earth. Part 1 to 3 are quite traditional fantasy adventures incorporating some slavic fairy tale elements. Part 4 actually takes place on a different planet within Golarion's solar system, but still is very traditional fantasy otherwise—you even get a quest to slay the evil dragon. Part 6 then takes place within a pocket plane which again is fantasy mixed with slavic fairy tales.

So, just saying Reign of Winter is "WWI/Russia" is simply a gross misrepresentation of this adventure path.


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I'm going to put my money on Kingmaker.

I reckon the PACG design team would love to get their teeth into that challenge - I also think the "standard/nonstandard" paradigm is more important for the TTRPG audience. I'd guess the PACG crowd are more interested in innovative mechanics rather than some strong thematic preference.


Steve Geddes wrote:

I'm going to put my money on Kingmaker.

How much?

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pluvia33 wrote:
(and take out Serpent's Skull since another Pirate AP is unlikely

Just a quick note, but Serpent's Skull is not pirate themed at all. It open with a shipwreck but the starter adventure is more "shipwrecked on a jungle island of mystery," and the AP is much more Indiana Jones/King Solomon's mines sort of themed.


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Mummy's Mask.

Just 'cuz.


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This is actually where it is nice to know so little about the adventure paths. All I want is something awesome. And with 2 sets totally out and the glimpses I've seen of set 3 so far, I'm pretty confident set 4 will meet that criteria.

Grand Lodge

I'd be concerned if they picked Kingmaker.


Theryon Stormrune wrote:
I'd be concerned if they picked Kingmaker.

No, they wont..

It is REIGN OF WINTER for sure!

Shadow Lodge

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Zaister wrote:
pluvia33 wrote:
Reign of Winter (WWI/Russian)

No.

That's not a correct description of the Reign of Winter AP, and certainly misleading to people who aren't too knowledgable about the RRG AP line. As all Paizo APs, Reign of Winter has six adventures, and only one of them—part 5—is set on Earth. Part 1 to 3 are quite traditional fantasy adventures incorporating some slavic fairy tale elements. Part 4 actually takes place on a different planet within Golarion's solar system, but still is very traditional fantasy otherwise—you even get a quest to slay the evil dragon. Part 6 then takes place within a pocket plane which again is fantasy mixed with slavic fairy tales.

So, just saying Reign of Winter is "WWI/Russia" is simply a gross misrepresentation of this adventure path.

Thank you.

Reign of Winter (my favorite AP) is Baba Yaga and Slavic fairy tales -- witches, dark fey, and endless winter.

It's the one I would pick if I got to pick anything.

But I'm expecting Jade Regent.

The other subsystem that Jade Regent added (besides caravans) was the relationship mechanic, and I think there are some interesting things they can do with both of those. It also uses kingdom building towards the end, which I can see them using as a test bed for Kingmaker.

But my biggest reason for thinking Jade Regent is art style.

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We still haven't seen the iconic ninja or samurai. Jade Regent would be a good excuse to use them.


It's Jade Regent. The Lone Shark Bloggers confirmed that with a wink long ago in one of their PACG blogs on the Paizo main page!


Astral Frog wrote:

It's Jade Regent. The Lone Shark Bloggers confirmed that with a wink long ago in one of their PACG blogs on the Paizo main page!

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Please give a LINK
To this WINK !


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Theryon Stormrune wrote:
I'd be concerned if they picked Kingmaker.

Why?


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Zaister wrote:
pluvia33 wrote:
Reign of Winter (WWI/Russian)

No.

That's not a correct description of the Reign of Winter AP, and certainly misleading to people who aren't too knowledgable about the RRG AP line. As all Paizo APs, Reign of Winter has six adventures, and only one of them—part 5—is set on Earth. Part 1 to 3 are quite traditional fantasy adventures incorporating some slavic fairy tale elements. Part 4 actually takes place on a different planet within Golarion's solar system, but still is very traditional fantasy otherwise—you even get a quest to slay the evil dragon. Part 6 then takes place within a pocket plane which again is fantasy mixed with slavic fairy tales.

So, just saying Reign of Winter is "WWI/Russia" is simply a gross misrepresentation of this adventure path.

Sorry for any offense. Personally, from what I heard about it, I didn't consider the "WWI" theme any more of a gross misrepresentation than calling Jade Regent a "ninja" AP. It was just something I'd heard compared it to before (especially since Rasputin is in it), and thought it was something that could encapsulate the general idea of what makes it a "less traditional" fantasy story. Again, sorry for any offense I caused anyone.

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pluvia33 wrote:
Personally, from what I heard about it, I didn't consider the "WWI" theme any more of a gross misrepresentation than calling Jade Regent a "ninja" AP.

Since you point it out, that *is* also a pretty gross misrepresentation.

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I just think of Reign as a WWI / Russia AP (not publicly because I know it isn't), because to me, that's the bestestest part of all!!!

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