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The following must be one of my favorite scenes/quips in the movie.
"Are you kidding me? I'm blind!"
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The following must be one of my favorite scenes/quips in the movie.
"Are you kidding me? I'm blind!"
That is one of my favorites. The other is when...
Darth Vader Force chokes Krennic and tells him not to 'choke' on his aspirations.... Vader's got jokes... with a certain malevolent promise behind it, of course.
So, Baze and Chirrut were totally low-key homosexual, right? I'm not the only one that thought that?
highly unlikely. But not impossible. I know at least one fan who would be delighted to interpret this in this way. Most just view them as friends.
Yeah I didn't see any romantic attachment, just a love for a brother/comrade in arms. However, It wouldn't upset me if that were the case.
re:Quotes The Blind quote is funny, but *most* of K2-SO lines are humourous.
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Darth Vader Force chokes Krennic and tells him not to 'choke' on his aspirations.... Vader's got jokes... with a certain malevolent promise behind it, of course.
He does this in the original trilogy as well. "Apology ACCEPTED, Captain Needa." "Maybe I can find new ways of motivating them?" and so forth.
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I keep hearing good things. Perhaps I'll get a chance to see it sometime during the week.Aaiiiie!
You will step on a spoiler!
Get off this thread Aberzombie! Head to the Imperial upstate moisture farm with Archmagi!
Meh. Nothing can be spoiled for me. I am immune. You could email me a text of all the plot details, and I'd still enjoy watching the movie.
Darth Vader Force chokes Krennic and tells him not to 'choke' on his aspirations.... Vader's got jokes... with a certain malevolent promise behind it, of course.He does this in the original trilogy as well. "Apology ACCEPTED, Captain Needa." "Maybe I can find new ways of motivating them?" and so forth.
They *tried* to show this dry humor side of Anakin in the prequels but it fell kinda flat.
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Saw it this morning; loved it. It might be my new favorite SW movie. I'm seeing it again tomorrow with some coworkers.
With regard to the Cushing/Tarkin thing... I don't get it. It was a role that had to be either recast, or removed altogether. I'm glad they included the character and they made an effort to cast someone that looked and sounded enough like him to pull it off (with some CGI'ing). To expect a perfect recreation of Cushing/Tarkin seems unreasonable. This kind of thing is going to happen more and more in SW movie-making.
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Saw it over the weekend. Loved it 100%. Sure it slowed and bogged down in a couple of places, probably why some of the trailer scenes were deleted.
As for the soundtrack, I had no problem with it. True it wasn't John Williams, but Episodes 4-6 had a feel to them, as did 1-3. But those tracks were centered around the Skywalker family. This movie was not. It had to be different. In fact, I bought the score about 2 hours before seeing the movie, but haven't listened to it yet.
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I saw it on the weekend as well. I like it it for the most part. The movie is slow and bogs at certain points. As well not a fan of diversity for the sake of it that's me. The CGI used for certain characters was uneven. One also gets to see how badly certain actors have members in the profession have aged..badly.
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My new third-favorite Star Wars flick.
I saw it on the weekend as well. I like it it for the most part. The movie is slow and bogs at certain points. As well not a fan of diversity for the sake of it that's me. The CGI used for certain characters was uneven. One also gets to see how badly certain actors have members in the profession have aged..badly.
I thought the cast was almost perfect. Would have liked to see Saw Gerrera get off the planet with them (Forest could have made it even more awesome throughout the film), and it wouldn't have hurt to have at least one more female heroine on the team, but overall it was a pretty great cast.
Maybe it was something in Gerrera's character (as I said, I'm not familiar enough with clone wars, probably should watch the series, or at least the part with Saw in it so I understand the character better) that made him decide to stay on the planet rather than join the rest of the people fleeing the destruction.
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They *tried* to show this dry humor side of Anakin in the prequels but it fell kinda flat.
THE CLONE WARS did a much better job of this. During the episode where he's helping train Saw Gerrera's rebels, he event gets an "Impressive...most impressive".
I haven't watched any of the Clone Wars, but I think I know what I'm going to ask for the wife for Father's Day(or Valentines Day). (I'm 99% sure shes done with Christmas Shopping)
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It's not that I disliked the cast. It just that by giving everyone equal screen time. It does tend to drag and slow down the movie at certain points. I get that Hollywood wants to give every actor/actress no matter their race and gender equal amounts of screen time. It will affect the pacing of a movie imo. There is a Ocean 11 reboot unless I'm mistaken in the works. If every character gets equal amounts of screen time it's going to be a 3-5 hour movie.
My only other complaint for a futuristic setting the tech is too dated imo. At one point they need to find a specific piece of information. It's on a huge square like style disk almost as wide as the main actress. She has to tie it too her body as it's too big to fit in a pocket. Then they need to put their floppy disk for lack of a better word into a slot to be read by the computer. What their no wifi or internet in the Star Wars universe. Too much 1970s style tech anachronisms in the movies imo. It just stands out in a universe of hyperspace jumps, Death Stars, AT-Ats.
Not for certain but I'm pretty sure they (or the computer systems at least) can track and calculate for stuff like that.
Seconded. Or Vader used his special "techniques" of persuasion on one of the rebel survivors to get the answers he needed.
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I thought of something I think needs explaining.
How did Vader's Star Destroyer know that Leia's ship was going to Tatooine? They saw Her ship jump to hyperspace, how did they know where it was going?
@CapeCod
It's about vectors man.
There are established Galaxy wide Hypersce lanes and for safely most ships take them.
Of course Rebels, pirates and smugglers don't adhere to the major routes but there are still secondary and tertiary lanes. (Han apparently knows a lot more than most.)
To plot a course takes time, even with Navigation computers, and while Nav computers have preprogrammed routes, they are far from exhaustive and are not suitable in every instance. (Again here, Han and Chewie were known for their bravado making some 'blind jumps.')
Speculation based on this:
The Rebels could not jump to Alderaan or Yavin, that would give away Alderaan's support of the Rebellion or give away the Rebellion's HQ in the case of Yavin.
The fleeing ship probably tried to do a series of mini jumps to elude the Imperials but the crew of the Devastator, being the flagship of a certain Dark Lord of the Sith, was crewed with among the finest in The Empire.
The Imperials probably tracked the ship from each vector point to the next, and while the Tantive IV was plotting it's next jump their operational systems got struck and they were pulled in the Devastator's tractor beams.
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You're forgetting that this is the Empire that we're talking about. A highly paranoid Empire. The case needed to be that large to house the self-destruct device, that would have detonated had the proper procedures for its extraction not been followed. Then, they put it on a "data card" for continuity reasons, since the card was inserted into R2D2 during Episode 4.
Good point. Though imo I still think they show the tech as is for the fans. As well as a tribute to 1970s Sci-Fi though that's just my theory.
As for Kyle Katarn said to see him no longer be part of canon. I kind of liked that their could be "Gray" Jedi. Neither light nor dar and able to use both sides of the force. It was very satisfying to be attacked by robots only to blast them with Force Lightening.
As for how the imperials knew where to track the rebel ships. All part of the genre that is Space Opera. The same way the rebels instead of burying their sheild generator to protect it on Hoth. Decided to leave it out in the open. It makes little sense but it makes for a good space opera.
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One of my Coworkers got me the first two (Issues 1-12) graphic novels of the Vader comic. It's supposed to be part of the new canon, in that graphic novel the Emperor clearly berates Vader for placing a tracker on a Rebel vessel and still failing to find the Rebel Base until it was too late, resulting in the destruction of the Death Star.
I think the assumption is that the Tantive IV was tracked to Tatooine after it fled the Battle of Scarif. The rest is part of ANH canon.
Well, since they canonically DID put a tracking device on the Millennium Falcon but didn't reach Yavin IV before it left...
I believe it was because Vader, in his hubris, wanted to both find the Rebel base (on Yavin 4) AND retrieve the plans.
I think people are getting the ship chases mixed up.
The corvette over Tattooine was a simple case of hot pursuit hunting the plans.
Allowing the Falcon to "escape" with the homing device was the ship-based effort to find the rebel base.
Why didn't Vader just force pull the ship back to Him as it was leaving? We've seen force users do that with ships.
In atmosphere. Not against an FTL drive
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The reason why it's a tracking device and not a bomb. Is that it does not make for good space opera. If it all it takes is Vader to push a button and blow up a ship. While effective is not very entertaining to put in a movie. As well to find the rebel base.
Exactly. Folks are thinking too much into a movie. If we did that with all movies, then they wouldn't be nearly as exciting as they are. If we are going to use such logic, then why didn't Greedo simply walk up behind Han and blast him him in the back? That would clearly make more sense than approaching someone you know is armed and then telling them you are going to kill them, that is just stupid. Sometimes you have to put on the suspension of disbelief and say "It's a movie, that's why."
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Heh...
I seem to remember a behind-the-scenes featurette in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. They are discussing when Frodo is in Mordor inside the dark and windowless cell. And yet there is light, OOC so we, the audience, can actually see what is going on.
And in the commentary there is an anecdote about how someone -perhaps Elijah Wood?- asked where was the light coming from if the cell is dark and windowless. And the answer? The same place as the music (referring to the soundtrack playing during the scene).
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The reason why it's a tracking device and not a bomb. Is that it does not make for good space opera. If it all it takes is Vader to push a button and blow up a ship. While effective is not very entertaining to put in a movie. As well to find the rebel base.Exactly. Folks are thinking too much into a movie. If we did that with all movies, then they wouldn't be nearly as exciting as they are. If we are going to use such logic, then why didn't Greedo simply walk up behind Han and blast him him in the back? That would clearly make more sense than approaching someone you know is armed and then telling them you are going to kill them, that is just stupid. Sometimes you have to put on the suspension of disbelief and say "It's a movie, that's why."
YUP.
Nerds often have a hard time differentiating between what would be realistic and what would make a more interesting and entertaining story. Realistic isnt always (and often isnt) entertaining or fun. I dont watch movies and play RPG's for realism. I LIVE in the real world.
I swear sometimes gamers are possibly the LEAST imaginative and easily most fun killing people I've ever seen in my life...
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Saw it, liked it.
The score was way over the top at times it didn't need to be, particularly in the beginning of the film. It reminded me of how poor the score of Costner's Robin hood was, but not nearly as bad. Like most folks it seems the third act of this film is where all the punch is.
I think they did the OT aesthetic the most justice in this film. I loved how the hairstyles and clothing matched so brilliantly. Also, they did a subtle upgrade to the tech without making it look too out of place with the OT.
I liked how we finally got to see the rebels in action. We now know what type of sacrifices they have made. The OT characters more or less have plot armor which works because its a different story. R1 gives credence to the rebel alliance and their fights that were always an off-screen thing; until now.
The T4 is also a known diplomatic ship. Eventually it has to be spotted somewhere where it is expected if they want to maintain its diplomatic cover. If they were trying to establish an alibi somewhere else, but Vader got the ship name from interrogation, it's not hard to imagine them getting tracked down.
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They nailed the aesthetic and feel of the OT while still showing some of the finesse of the PT. Scarif felt like a PT locale, and it felt really neat to see the gruff looking rebels in such a shiny place.
Vader was boss, and the fact that Krennic was so shaken just being in the same room was further badassness to Tarkin who treats Vader as an equal. Krennic, however, felt a bit weak of a villain, not quite mustache twirling level of incompetence, but his every move had turds in its wake.
Gotta love those ion cannons on the U wing. And Ion weaponry in general. For something that was pretty well passed over in much of the other films, the ion beam was the winner of the day, taking out both AT-ACTs and disabling the destroyer for the most epic use of a Hammerhead ever.
Also, nice to see another mon calimari besides Aackbar.
Krennic wasn't a strong villain, within the fiction or from a viewer's perspective. The direct link between him an Jyn existed, but it wasn't exactly personal, more second hand. She didn't really have much interaction with him to give emotion to their confrontation, and it lacked much in the way of symbolism.
I think with Vader and Tarkin present, Krennic doesn't really have to carry the villainy either. He can be incompetent to help explain other things that happen.
Not a great villain, but he served to connect dots and help keep the movie going forward.
I think the bigger failing is a lack of depth in Jyn. She's an orphan. Supposedly some interesting things happened to her between the prologue and when we see her again, but none of it seems to matter. She was a young rebel fighter at one point... but again, it seems largely irrelevant as her being orphaned a second time is more important.
Part of this is having an ensemble cast, you don't get as much screen time to devote to one character, but a couple more notes on something about her besides being an orphan could have been interesting.
In comparison, Luke is an orphan, but his story isn't what he used to be, it's about the possibilities of what he could become. Obviously that doesn't work in Rogue One, but perhaps show Jyn as her worst self (having committed numerous crimes, like actual bad things, not just stealing from the Empire) and then you get an aspect of redemption as well. Another way, she had gone to seek out her father and actually joined the Empire, but gets forced to face the evilness she supports and turns traitor.
I liked the movie, just pondering things :D
Ok best darn Star Wars movie in ages.
Better than Empire Strikes Back.
I Love character driven movies and shows and this definitely was that.