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I repeatedly found that the general public's sense of enjoyment and mine differ wildly.This right here.
I found Nolan's Dark Knight/Batman movies to be deadly dull, and Green Lantern to not only be watchable, but fun and re-watchable. (As in, I actually *have* rewatched and enjoyed Green Lantern, and haven't had the slightest urge to rewatch the Dark Knight movies.)
What 'fans' love and hate, and what I love and hate seem to be on entirely different worlds, sometimes.
Still, it's a superhero movie. I'll see it once on general principle, even if it's just on Netflix.
O_O
Who are you?! What have you done with Set?! He is a man of immaculate taste and incredible creativity, he would not excuse the travesty to humanity that is the Green Lantern movie!
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You know it wouldn't have taken much to fix green lantern. Sub in a practical suite for the cgi costume, and reduce the crowding in the movie by focusing on one villain and saving most of the Lantern core stuff for the sequel (Maybe just have Sinestro train Hal on Earth instead).
The tone at least was fine and I think all of the actors did well with the material. I think they just tried to cram far too much stuff into one movie.
You know it wouldn't have taken much to fix green lantern. Sub in a practical suite for the cgi costume, and reduce the crowding in the movie by focusing on one villain and saving most of the Lantern core stuff for the sequel (Maybe just have Sinestro train Hal on Earth instead).
The tone at least was fine and I think all of the actors did well with the material. I think they just tried to cram far too much stuff into one movie.
That was my general impression as well
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That was a nightmare.
Superman's motivation in the first half of the movie seemed really forced, and didn't make a lot of sense. I was also confused by the whole "Desert" plot. Maybe I missed something?
Batman's desert scene was a nightmare.
Some stuff happened with Superman in a desert that was not a nightmare. It prompts congressional hearings.
Saw it today, too. Enjoyed it, as well.
Part that got the only cheer in the theater?
That was my favorite bit.
Second favorite?
Were there flaws? Yes, of course. We gave the movie a solid C. Hubby was a tad ticked off that the ending
On the whole 'desert terrorist' thing.
I had several reactions to the things Bat/Bruce & Lex did. It looked like Snyder came up to them, handed them each an idiot ball and said 'guard this with your life'.
Those two are among the smartest people in the DCverse.You couldn't tell it from this movie.
Also, Alfred seriously needs to pitch the booze in Wayne manor...it's really, really bad.
The fight scenes were good, though we had to see it in 3D, which gave me a headache, to to the non-3D being sold out.
And it wasn't Knight vs god, it was Knight vs Paladin...and the knight cheated.
Hubby's least favorite tactical move was best expressed by his comment to me
All that and I still enjoyed the movie and will get it when it comes out on DVD.
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Batman V Superman: The Showgirls of superhero films
Text messages from New York to Seattle
Baron Arem Heshvaun: People are calling this the Showgirls of superhero films now.
Erik Mona: Well its cool to like Showgirls now.
Darth Vader: You have failed me for the last time Mona.
Erik Mona: ...
Baron: Darth, I told you to never text me here.
I saw it last night as well. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Not the best movie I've seen in the last 12 months but not the worst. I thought the acting was quite well done and I know very much want a batfleck film. Overall my impression was positive but I won't see it in the theatre a second time.
As an aside, 50 minutes Baron? I'm impressed. :)
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Watched it last night after reading considerable thoughts posted here on Paizo along with a couple of YouTube videos. Was waiting for the poor editing, huge plot holes, bad acting, bad character motivations, and decided that what I was expecting and hoping for was fully delivered despite hearing all of these things. Are there things I would have written differently, yes of coarse. Was it the best film ever...no but it was extremely good, interesting, and well paced. Will I look forward to the eventual Justice League and Wonder Woman movies...absolutely. Do I hope they use these actors for more Superman and Batman solo movies...again, absolutely.
The movie was dark, far more than those with Christian Bale and I love all three of his Batman movies. It was different seeing Superman in this setting, but I have always said that in a Superman movie he needs to be challenged, someone needs to be able to be his fighting equal to make it work. This movie did that. I can accept Superman in a darker setting (though this was a bit too dark for him), but that had to do with the inclusion of Batman. I think the Justice League movie will be less dark and more of what we are use to with Marvel and DC.
This was the first time I liked Lois Lane. Didn't care for Alfred at all. Never felt like Clark Kent was done right, and that includes this movie. To much messiah Superman complex and Superman should have defused the public outcry when he saw how they were viewing him both as a God and a criminal. Good to see Lex Luther have the resources but still not the right type of lines and acting for that character.
I thought that Batman ended his fight with Superman kinda hokey. It was to sudden, to off. Also I think the development of Doomsday and Lex Luther together should have been far more developed.
As nearly everyone has said Ben Afflick was a superb Batman and Bruce Wayne. The Wonder Woman portrayal was great and I can't wait for her solo movie with that actress, costume, etc. I thought they introduced her well for the upcoming solo movie, bringing in her past, especially with the photo that shows up in the movie. Fighting scenes all the way throughout the movie were excellently done.
I will buy it and add it to my movie collection. It will be nice to see what details I missed the first time around.
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You know it wouldn't have taken much to fix green lantern. Sub in a practical suite for the cgi costume, and reduce the crowding in the movie by focusing on one villain and saving most of the Lantern core stuff for the sequel (Maybe just have Sinestro train Hal on Earth instead).
The tone at least was fine and I think all of the actors did well with the material. I think they just tried to cram far too much stuff into one movie.
That was my general impression as well
To me Green Lantern felt like 2 movies cut in half and then stiched together to make 1 movie. You can almost see 2 Good movies in there, but instead they had to do everything at once and smush them together.
The first film should have been Hal figuring out the ring on earth plus dealing with Carol and Hammond. Really build up the character relationships. Leave the aliens and Paralax and everything else out of the first film.
End Credit scene of Sinestro showing up, spoiling that romantic end scene and telling Hal to pack his bags he's got training in the morning.
Movie 2 Hal encounters the Corp, gets trained, Really build the Hal Sinestro Mentor/Student thing, does some space Cop things and faces Paralax.
You know it wouldn't have taken much to fix green lantern. Sub in a practical suite for the cgi costume, and reduce the crowding in the movie by focusing on one villain and saving most of the Lantern core stuff for the sequel (Maybe just have Sinestro train Hal on Earth instead).
The tone at least was fine and I think all of the actors did well with the material. I think they just tried to cram far too much stuff into one movie.
That was my general impression as well
To me Green Lantern felt like 2 movies cut in half and then stiched together to make 1 movie. You can almost see 2 Good movies in there, but instead they had to do everything at once and smush them together.
The first film should have been Hal figuring out the ring on earth plus dealing with Carol and Hammond. Really build up the character relationships. Leave the aliens and Paralax and everything else out of the first film.
End Credit scene of Sinestro showing up, spoiling that romantic end scene and telling Hal to pack his bags he's got training in the morning.
Movie 2 Hal encounters the Corp, gets trained, Really build the Hal Sinestro Mentor/Student thing, does some space Cop things and faces Paralax.
Exactly this
I watched BvS today.
To put it shortly... I expected nothing and I'm still let down .
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I watched BvS today.
To put it shortly... I expected nothing and I'm still let down .
saw it today too....
It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great
The cast did well with their parts but the over all film just was a huge downer.
We could have done without most of the dream sequences. They were really nothing more than padding and laying things down for future movies. Would have been better off focusing on getting the one film right instead of trying their hand at universe building.
and flat out I hate Snyder's vision of Superman. It's just wrong on so many levels. His Superman is one who is defined by failure. One who no matter how hard he tries always makes things worse. He can't live up to the expectations of those who support him and he can never settle the fears of those who don't. He is constantly forced to face the idea that for all his abilities he is powerless to save people and doomed to be surrounded by the bodies of those he was unable to protect.
Snyder's Superman is not an inspiring figure of hope but a pitiable figure of despair.
I watched BvS today.
To put it shortly... I expected nothing and I'm still let down .
When you say that, do you mean the traditional comics counterparts, or the ones that they've had since the new 52?
You might be surprised what the new 52 and onwards comic counterparts are like.
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I haven't seen the movie, but I did enjoy this Batffleck video.
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I watched BvS today.
To put it shortly... I expected nothing and I'm still let down .
saw it today too....
It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great
The cast did well with their parts but the over all film just was a huge downer.We could have done without most of the dream sequences. They were really nothing more than padding and laying things down for future movies. Would have been better off focusing on getting the one film right instead of trying their hand at universe building.
and flat out I hate Snyder's vision of Superman. It's just wrong on so many levels. His Superman is one who is defined by failure. One who no matter how hard he tries always makes things worse. He can't live up to the expectations of those who support him and he can never settle the fears of those who don't. He is constantly forced to face the idea that for all his abilities he is powerless to save people and doomed to be surrounded by the bodies of those he was unable to protect.
Snyder's Superman is not an inspiring figure of hope but a pitiable figure of despair.
this is the big hole in the character in general. I don't know why this is Snyder's fault, supes has been living with his failures for years, it's where some of his best stories come from.
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Because Snyder hates Superman.
the so does every writer who did a "superman can't save everyone" story.
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Incoming Wall-O-Text. Saw this last night.
I never thought Ben Affleck would make a good Batman. Unfortunately, this movie's Batman is not Batman (its Superman isn't even Superman, either).
He did very well with what they gave him. After seeing this, I'm interested in seeing Affleck in a REAL Batman movie.
This version of Batman was some sort of crude hybrid between Batman and the Punisher.
Also, he has zero social skills. Hate to compare to Marvel, but this Bruce Wayne is not in any way charismatic or charming. If Tony Stark is on one end of the spectrum, this version of Wayne is on the exact opposite end.
Finally, he's terrible as a detective. All the important detective work is done by Alfred (another good example of an actor doing awesome with what they are given--Alfred is the sole voice of sanity in this entire movie). Batman/Bruce pretty much works as a face for a video game character. "Click on glowy to plant tracer" and the like.
Going through all that work to establish Batman's hate and fear of Superman, all the lives lost, his friends, his vow to defeat him, even his personal encounters going sour... all that being thrown away and them being friends just because Superman says a name is just... ridiculous.
None of this is Affleck's fault.
This version of Supes, despite supposedly being a direct sequel to Man of Steel, has none of the optimistic approach or calm self-confidence established in the first movie. He's constantly self-critical and prone to quitting, and he never seems to have the logical response to much of the slander sent his way.
Also, his relationship with Lois Lane went straight from the mostly-platonic mutual-support with snarky competitiveness in Man of Steel to straight-up deep romantic infatuation and living together. There's a part early on in the movie that sets this one as "18 months after" Man of Steel, but it is REALLY jarring as an audience member to see this change so quickly in subjective time.
The movie's Lex Luthor is terrible. Incredibly, amazingly terrible. I can't really say anything as to the actor here, but this character is just... bad. Whenever there is a serious moment, Lex either ruins it by being a total creeper or does something so goofy that all the pent-up suspense is destroyed with unintentional comedy.
If Man of Steel had heavy Christian allegory seeded throughout, the scenes with Lex are like some sort of weird, twisted parody of an insane atheist going on an anti-religious screed. He does this whenever someone's in the room with him and Superman is even hinted at. I don't know if the writer was an atheist himself and wanted to push his views on the audience and just failed utterly at it, or was a religious person trying to make atheists look bad because he has a grudge, but it was eminently cringe-worthy. It was also dropped the second it was inconvenient.
Also, Lex is a terrible scientist. He clearly doesn't know what Radium is, or anything about radioactivity in general, otherwise he wouldn't be so happy to cuddle a massive amount of glowing green Kryptonite. Sure, it's effective against Kryptonians, but it can't be healthy for humans either. I was expecting for his hair to slowly fall out as he was afflicted with radiation sickness, and perhaps this explaining his insanity, but nope. He's just nuts and stupid.
The best part of this movie is probably Wonder Woman, despite her 12 minutes or so of screen time.
Most depictions of Wonder Woman go from 'damsel in distress' on one end to 'extremist cool-aid drinking Feminazi parody' on the other, with little in between. The latter is almost always indicative of a 'bad ending alternate timeline'.
This version had her as an intelligent, cunning woman who incidentally could thrown down with the most powerful superhuman threats using archaic weaponry while also enjoying combat, even when she was getting her face shoved through concrete. It's like she was, I don't know, an AMAZON or something. Can't wait for her movie!
Add all that with a plot filled with holes and unnecessary bulk in places...
It seems to be trying to cram way too many comic storylines into one movie while completely skipping out on the interesting things like the backstory for the main characters not named Superman, and why we should care about them.
This movie is a mess.
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Saw the movie last night with my younger brother. I enjoyed it. Wasn't perfect, but it was entertaining. I thought Ben Affleck did a remarkably good job. I thought Gal Gadot did well, but I wish they could have bulked her up just a bit. Henry Cavill did well, but I wish they'd given Superman a bit more screen time. Eisenberg did ok - he got the right amount of evil, arrogant genius who hates Superman. However, I think they put a little too much Joker into him.
The plot was a bit choppy, but overall well done. Lex's evil plot was sufficiently convoluted and twisted - expressing his utter hatred of the Man of Steel, and the complexity of a comic book villain.
All in all, it was worth the wait to see DC's big two on the big screen together for the first time. And it was a pleasure to hear some classic lines spoken live.
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Wonder Woman sounds promising, at least. I am looking forward to her movie, even if I'm not the biggest fan of the character. (I'm a sucker for period pieces, like Captain America: First Avenger or Agent Carter, so Wonder Woman being set during WW1 just goes right for my happy place.)
Were there rumored cameos by Aquaman (and Mera), Cyborg, Flash and / or Green Lantern? Spoil me! (In spoilers, for those who want a fresher experience, obviously!) Of those listed, I'm most intrigued by Aquaman.
Regardless of whether or not this movie is my cup of tea, I'm still waiting impatiently for Suicide Squad!
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Ask and ye shall receive.
All the superheroes except the Main Three are seen only in video camera footage.
Aquaman
A remotely piloted submarine was going into the wreck of a ship with a man-sized holed in the hull. You see glowy eyes in the depths then Aquaman floats into view. He looks at the camera for a moment (awesome job by the actor portraying this part) and though he doesn't speak, you can judge by the emotions on his face that he's like "Is there a person in there?" as he looks at the camera. When he realizes there isn't, he destroys the mini-RPV-sub with his trident, then super-swims away--think Superman's flight, but underwater.
Second only to the Wonder Woman movie is my desire to see this Aquaman in his own film.
Cyborg
Flash
The first is camera footage in a Kwik-E-Mart gas station. A guy holds up the cashier with the gun while Flash (in civilian clothes) is buying milk. ZAP, he wooshes over, camera flickers, bad guy is knocked down, and he's back in time to grab his milk and go on like nothing else has happened.
The other is similar to Flashpoint Paradox. While Batman is breaking LexCorp's encryption, he has a 'dream' where he's basically in the future as Batman, but the future looks like it's straight out of Fallout. Other spoilery stuff happens, but at the end you see 'our' Batman is sitting at a table with a white-lightning-like portal being open with 'Future Flash' in his suit telling him "You're right about him. DO what you have to do!" Flash flips down his visor and then the 'time portal' collapses and Bruce 'Wakes Up'. We know it's not a dream because there are papers and whatnot in the background slowly falling to the ground. Nothing more is said of this incident in the entire movie.
Green Lantern is not shown at all. Or if he is, I missed it. It's possible they had him in his 'human' identity at some point with the Air Force or perhaps the police, but again, if they did, I totally missed it.
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Ask and ye shall receive.
All the superheroes except the Main Three are seen only in video camera footage.
Aquaman
** spoiler omitted **Cyborg
** spoiler omitted **Flash
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who is this green lantern you speak of? I don't recall there being a green lantern movie.
Warner really needs to up their game...
The plot is pretty much non-existent and yet, somehow, also full of holes.
The characters alternate between omniscience and absurd stupidity. Although most do actors do a fine job IMO. Wonder Woman is cool, and the one character who still really resembles the comic books. OTOH, Zuckerberg's Lex is... Awful! Like... Possibly the worst part of the movie! I hated nearly every scene he's in. I don't know how much of it is the actor's fault and how much is the director's... But I suspect both of them are to blame.
Even the cool visuals Snyder is well-known for aren't all that great. They are good... Mostly. But not a single truly memorable scene, IMO. The best scenes of the movie are the couple jokes that actually made it into the film.
All that said, I wouldn't say the movie is TERRIBLE. I've seen terrible movies... This one isn't it. But it's... weak. Were it not a Batman and Superman movie, it'd be rather forgettable.
I give BvS a score of 4/10. Below average, but not horrible. Definitely not worth a second viewing, though.
My recommendation is... Wait for the Blu-Ray/DVD release. And if for some reason you can't see it, don't feel too bad. You aren't missing much.
I honestly regret spending the money of a movie theater ticket on this movie.
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On a related note... I'm really tired of "DC's Misery Filter".
I know DC is trying to set itself apart from Marvel movies and that Nolan's Batman movies were a huge success... But I really hope they stop trying to make every movie dark and gritty in a world of beige and grey.
Marvel proved it's possible for a single company to make both dark and colorful productions and still make them a hit! Even DC should've learned by now, considering Arrow and Flash TV series.
I don't mind movies having a darker tone... But when every. single. one. is a lump of grey, it gets really old, really fast. Specially when it doesn't match the original franchise.
I don't. And I'm gonna go see it another time. Several critics including Angry Joe (a huge Superman fanboy) said that the plot is much clearer when you see it the second time. And he gave the film a 6/10 up to a 4/10 when discussing spoilers.
That's okay, we all enjoy different things to different extents.
I honestly don't think it's worth ticket money and can't sincerely advise anyone to see it in theaters... But if you like it... Well... Good for you! Have fun!
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Cyborg
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Zach already said that the tone for the Justice League movies would be a tad lighter, do to characters like the Flash. Granted I suspect that might also be him compensating for the blowback.
DC at least for a bit has sort of realized these issues. I thought it was interesting that it was mentioned that Lex Luthor is actually Lex Luthor Junior a few months back...DC maybe realizing that this Lex was problematic and thus giving them and option to recast and revamp the character.
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That's cool. Now if they could explain all the history behind this Batman or this Wonder Woman before they set up what looks like their take on an "Avengers" movie, that'd be cool too.
Because this was very much "Man of Steel 2: Now With Other DC Characters and Terrible Writers".
I don't think a second viewing will change that. After talking with friends, they pointed out even more plot holes than I missed. Like in the opening scene...
He's freaking BATMAN. He should just fly in on his heavily-armed Batwing and have Alfred remote it while he saves his friend by flying straight there. If that looks suspicious, he could just start rescuing other people afterwards, something he would do anyway, and then the news media would be all like "Demigod battle depopulates city! Murderous vigilante saves hundreds!"
Also, find it inconceivable that Supes, who backhands Predator drones for daring to snoop on him and is the last surviving member of an alien race, would just leave the remains of the only other Kryptonian there to rot after their fight. He at least would have taken them to be buried at the North Pole, the far side of the moon, or chucked them into the Sun or something. He knows the humans would happily attempt to dissect or experiment on the corpses of his people, but... nah. Just leave it.
Hama:
Benchak:
Though, to be fair, I'm not usually a big 'spot the product placement' guy, so likely my brain just filtered it out as unimportant.
And yes, movie was dark in more ways than one. Man of Steel had no problem with all the action happening in the daytime, so why does every fight here have to be at night? I understand the Bats VS Supes being set them, but the rest?
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$170 Million dollars domestically this weekend is the estimate. Have to wait until Monday for more solid numbers.
Not bad. Pretty good even but not spectacular.
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Why is Batman driving around in Gotham with a fake-police-cruiser vehicle trying to go rescue his friend? Does he think he can get closer in a car during Alien 9/11 instead of flying there in his stealth gunship? Does he think he can run up the stairs, grab his buddy, and carry him down the stairs faster than the guy himself can find his own way down? Is he going to rescue his own buddy and just run away? No.
Becuase it's the middle of the day, his gear is in Gotham. It all happens in a matter of minutes and he is there on business not bat-business. Because he has a pathological need to protect people.
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That's cool. Now if they could explain all the history behind this Batman or this Wonder Woman before they set up what looks like their take on an "Avengers" movie, that'd be cool too.
Because this was very much "Man of Steel 2: Now With Other DC Characters and Terrible Writers".
I don't think a second viewing will change that. After talking with friends, they pointed out even more plot holes than I missed. Like in the opening scene...
** spoiler omitted **Hama: ** spoiler omitted **...
The answer to a few of these is "Batman looks silly in the daytime"
It's the same reason you get time-cheats in the Nolan movies, like: badguys do a robbery during business hours, drive under a bridge, and it's nighttime when they come out the other side.
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Maybe DC went for full despair in this one so that the lightening of the tone would be much more noticeable when they do it.
Also I so so so hope that they bring in Lex Luthor senior, portrayed by Bryan Cranston going "Look how the grownups do it kid".
Cranston would have been an awesome Lex Luthor. I don't really understand why you have to "jokerify" Lex. If you are creating a shared universe, than you already have a Joker. Give us a villain with a completely different personality
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$170 Million dollars domestically this weekend is the estimate. Have to wait until Monday for more solid numbers.
Not bad. Pretty good even but not spectacular.
Wow, I just went to boxofficemojo.com and TFA is still pulling in nearly 1M weekends a month before the BR comes out. Estimated another 250M for BvS on the international markets. If they have a similar week 2 and a strong week 3, they might get close to the 800M mark to get ahead of Deadpool.
Do note, though, that Man of Steel had the following:
Domestic 291M
Foreign 377M
BvS, with the 170/430 that Boxofficemojo is currently showing, has made 58% domestically of Man of Steel's run and 66% international. Are those numbers enough to call the sequel a success? Or will it even reach Man of Steel's numbers?
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It will be curious to see what next weekend's numbers are. IIRC, Man of Steel took a hit in its second weekend sales. Certainly B v S was helped a lot by presales, where I good chunk of major weekend sales were made.
Hama:
Nice try, but still doesn't work. The alien arrival and the battle lasted more than just a few minutes. In addition, I'm pretty sure Wayne tech is connected to or actually OWNS many of the satellites and detection systems that have been tracking the Kryptonian ships in orbit. He had plenty of advance warning.
I'd buy the "He didn't have his Bat-Gear with him" line of argument except for two things:
1) He's Batman, and he makes sure he has a spare suit at hand at nearly all times. If this was 'beginner' Batman, I could chalk it up as inexperience. But a two decade veteran whose going into the hometown of a known Super? No.
2) Alfred can remote-pilot his vehicles. Alfred looks at the spaceship on TV, says something like "Oh, bother, it seems as if Master Bruce is going to be a hero again...", then fires up the drone controls and flies him the Batwing with special gear.
Benchak, yeah, that was silly in the Nolan movies too, especially since there were plenty of times he did fight in bright lighting. On reflection, though...
Saw it today. I have a jumble of thoughts for a jumble of a movie:
None of the plot points make any sense.
Looks good, mostly, but so dark it feels like a damn David Fincher movie half the time. Action was fun, although Snyder did make with the fast camera cuts way too much. It was fun watching the heroes fight. I always had Batman when discussing this hypothetical matchup, so I guess I was validated, lol.
Gal Gadot was stunningly great. Complaints that she isn't onscreen enough are kind of silly, though; I'd've welcome more, but it wasn't necessary. Looking forward to her full flick.
Batfleck was great. Hands-down. I thought he'd be good, mostly just because everyone dumped on him so hard. Affleck makes people eat their words all too often in that situation. He was great, and I'll even give Snyder some credit. I thought he made the character intimidating and scary again. Though, yes, too much killing.
I found Eisenberg unimpressive as Luther. Didn't like him at all.
Again: Not a single plot point in this movie makes sense. Why anyone does anything needs to be set totally aside. Like, don't really think about it. Maybe just a little, a tad--nope, nope, nope. That's too much. Stop. Seriously. Don't think about it. Then everything is fine.
Not sold on Irons as Alfred. Think it's mostly the way he looked, though; too scruffy.
Doomsday looked like the troll from Fellowship of the Ring. In a funny way. But he's a'ight, all the same.
This should be viewed as a Batman movie, IMO.
Movie is really long. I often complain about the lengths of superhero movies but nonetheless thought it moved along fairly well. It doesn't lull, which is worth a lot.
Works perfectly as a sequel to Man of Steel; not sure why they kept saying it isn't. Indeed, I don't see how it's not. Maybe I just got the wrong impression from what I was hearing, I'unno.
Snyder apparently said he thinks of DoJ as a sort of sequel to Watchmen, which is kind of an eye-rolly statement, but I'd say spiritually, it makes sense. For obvious reasons. But that's really just because it follows some similar concerns about the notion of the superman while it's working as a sequel to the events in MoS. I didn't think he went too far with that, anyway.
Don't get me wrong: It's a totally flawed movie. The plot is totally inorganic. Motivations make little, if any, sense. All style and little (totally disjointed) substance. But it's entertaining, and the RT score is not indicative of the movie's value in that regard. As in, like, it seems bizarre that they (the critics, collectively) would grade this so poorly compared to some of the other comic movies they give much higher scores.
I liked it better than most the Disney movies, of which I'm generally not a fan. It's not as well put together as most of those, isn't as slick, but it doesn't pander to kids* nor self-market the franchise as badly, either. It's a movie that asks the viewer to internalize rather than hoot at the screen. More to my taste, but others' mileage no doubt will vary.
In summation: Flawed but enjoyable movie.
*I know, I know. Comics are for kids. Or they were sixty years ago or whatever. I get it. And yet.
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How can you say it's a movie you internalize when you just said you have to completely ignore any and all character motivations to enjoy the movie?
All the luke-warm response is almost certainly going to cause a drop in weekend #2 ...
or not. I mean there'll definitely be a drop but by how much?
it will be telling if there's a 70%+ drop in week two because there's nothing really viable opening against it next weekend. So if it takes THAT big of a hit? That means word of mouth has hurt it.
We also have to take into account that there are no Thursday screenings this week so factor that in as well.