LazarX |
Summoners. Designing Eidolons is just too dang fun.
Fingers crossed for Unchained.
You can uncross them now. It's been revealed that the Unchained Summoner is the original James Jacobs version of the Summoner which doesn't have Build-A-Beast for the Eidolon.
LazarX |
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DM Beckett wrote:Kolokotroni wrote:Without them, its not pathfinder, its 3.75.Triphoppenskip wrote:As someone stated above that's what made Pathfinder really start to feel like it's own system rather than D&D 3.75.I find these two comments rather odd, as the overwhelming selling point of Pathfinder is that it's a continuation of 3.5.I'd argue is was a selling point. Definitely is no longer. Sure, compatibility is still there but the game is just its own recognizable beast. It has a large swathe of features all its own.
As has been pointed out, the APG came with a set of new classes. Classes that while not turfing over all the mechanics of 3.5, introduced new ways to play in the system.
The issue I have primarily comes in this line:
TriOmegaZero wrote:Having played a couple Core PFS games, and playing the third or fourth session of our CRB-only campaign tomorrow night, my answer so far is 'nothing'.Personally, I've tried CRB-only and it just felt like a relatively fixed 3.5 to me. That is arguably what PF is at the core, but without all the things which PF holds of its own, there was nothing that would make me call it its own game. Just that it was a set of very good houserules. PF forges itself its own identity by everything its done to build for its own sake.
3.5 Compatibility was the big selling thing to draw the original crowed of grognards who wouldn't switch over to 4th Edition when WOTC took their favorite game to the tool shed and shot it.
You'll notice however, that NOW, it's barely mentioned, if it alln in Paizo's promotions.
Zhangar |
Rosc wrote:You can uncross them now. It's been revealed that the Unchained Summoner is the original James Jacobs version of the Summoner which doesn't have Build-A-Beast for the Eidolon.Summoners. Designing Eidolons is just too dang fun.
Fingers crossed for Unchained.
Though Mark Seifter's advised that the unchained eidolon is still customizable. Here.
@ OP - I'd have to say archetypes and traits.
Archetypes combined with the core/base classes actually having useful features moved the game well away from 3.X's "get into a PrC ASAP" playstyle.
Traits are nice little bits of character customization that generally aren't that powerful but in of themselves can give a PC a great bit of flavor.
Cayzle |
For me on the player side the Core Rulebook, is enough of a game to make it feel like Pathfinder. All the other supplements are icing on the cake.
I'm with LazarX on this one. Mostly. I usually play Core Only plus homebrew, but even in these Core Only game, we use Hero Points. Those are a fantastic innovation. They add a lot to the game, and allow for some truly heroic story-telling.
Also, liontaurs. Wait, what? Liontaurs are not in the Core? What a shame. And not in any of the splat books? Neither are wemics? There's not even a wemic avatar to use on this site? I have to use a centaur? Oh well. Anyway, liontaurs are super cool.
Physically Unfeasible |
For me on the player side the Core Rulebook, is enough of a game to make it feel like Pathfinder. All the other supplements are icing on the cake.
That's fair.
We all know the SLA ruling made PF and the sky has clearly fallen in now they reversed it though.
I should probably stop using ooc text to take the piss.
Kolokotroni |
DM Beckett wrote:Kolokotroni wrote:Without them, its not pathfinder, its 3.75.Triphoppenskip wrote:As someone stated above that's what made Pathfinder really start to feel like it's own system rather than D&D 3.75.I find these two comments rather odd, as the overwhelming selling point of Pathfinder is that it's a continuation of 3.5.I'd argue is was a selling point. Definitely is no longer. Sure, compatibility is still there but the game is just its own recognizable beast. It has a large swathe of features all its own.
As has been pointed out, the APG came with a set of new classes. Classes that while not turfing over all the mechanics of 3.5, introduced new ways to play in the system.
For me it being a continuation of 3.5 was important in lots of ways. First and foremost, it was the same style of game. I like that style game. Early on, it was important to be able to use my 3.5 stuff to augment what I had for pf. That is ofcourse less of an issue now, mostly because I like the space that paizo forged with pathfinder even more then I did in 3.5.
And thats sort of the point, starting with the APG, paizo began to forge their own path. It was still the same style game as I wanted, but it was something new also. They showed they werent just going to go through the motions of retreading the 3.x ground we had effectively seen twice before. They did things their own way, and I liked that. For me, the flagship of 'their own way' were the 6 base classes introduced in the APG.