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So those two blasts that he took that fight should have got him too... which system are you referencing here, by the way?Ultron's blasts are concussive. They always have been, even in the comic books.Game stats say "Concussion Blasters mounted in the hands capable of inflicting up to Monstrous Force damage at a 4 area range."
So that's 75 points of damage the range of more than 4 basketball courts.
A normal human has a health of 22, so 75 points would flatten him.
Captain America has a listed health of 150.
Not quite...it is 75 subtracted by his armor...and he regenerates and than there is spending karma...so even by rules of the old TSR MSHRPG what we saw fit.
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What is wrong with left handed people?what, are you left handed too?!You seem personally offended that I don't consider Whedon to be the genius you think he is. So much so that you're arguing against things I never said.
Maybe you should examine why you care so much about a stranger's opinion regarding Joss Whedon's level of skill?
I tend to use the anti-Whedon rants as a sort of gauge. The more I see people who I know aren't fond of his stuff ranting about it, the more I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy the product. Likewise, the things they tend to rave about being good, I tend to not care for.
There's a reason I have this alias.
They're all sinister.
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In other news, saw the movie. Loved. It. Amazing. Awesome.
Never even noticed the event that's apparently so controversial, so that's all I really have to say on that. Whenever it happened, it didn't even phase me or even bump against much less knock out my immersion.
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Note: This is my opinion, of course. You are perfectly welcome to disagree. I'm not going to fight about it because opinion.
I didn't notice anything particularly controversial powers-wise either, though I was surprise Helen lived. My nitpicks were more character-driven than anything. Specifically, the characters frequently sounded more like Joss Whedon than themselves. The character development in the movies after the first seemed to be practically chucked out the window. Plus:
This looks way too much like an abusive relationship to me. Hulk chased the Black Widow and nearly killed her. Now she's taming the beast? Ehhh, I don't like it. Too many 'hurt me, love me' vibes, not to mention 'I can change him'. Really ooky.
I know Jarvis is a super AI and all, but he is just software, he practically runs the company, and there is no backup!?!?!? Come. On. For a series that begins with Tony Stark soldering (and doing it properly) to ending where he's not backing up his most critical software is a big technical tumble.
Too many surprises weren't teased through the series and were dumped on us here. Hawkeye and the 'girlfriend/no girlfriend' bit just wasn't enough to foreshadow the family - too obvious and too late. Tony's been building a Hulk-control system. Convenient. Tony has independent (i.e., non-networked) AI's. Handy. (Shame he didn't back up his main one.) And Natasha jonesing for Bruce? Left field time.
In everything I've seen, Dr. Banner's fundamental characteristic is that he lives up to his beliefs. In this movie, Tony Stark proposes something rather insane, dangerous, and secretive and Bruce shrugs and goes "Eh, OK". Banner not only keeps it quiet but helps without raising any serious objection or bringing it to the attention of the entire team. If anybody knows the law of unintended consequences, it's Banner. That's a character switch I can't believe.
The fights were good and the banter (in appropriate times) was OK. I was amused by the focus on one particular set of knockers all during the last fight through the city. It made me laugh and really broke immersion.
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So those two blasts that he took that fight should have got him too... which system are you referencing here, by the way?Ultron's blasts are concussive. They always have been, even in the comic books.Game stats say "Concussion Blasters mounted in the hands capable of inflicting up to Monstrous Force damage at a 4 area range."
So that's 75 points of damage the range of more than 4 basketball courts.
A normal human has a health of 22, so 75 points would flatten him.
Captain America has a listed health of 150.
the FASERIP system of course.
Worlds greatest superhero roleplaying game system.Suck it champions!
And now I know for a fact that you and I are MORTAL ENEMIES.
Note: This is my opinion, of course. You are perfectly welcome to disagree. I'm not going to fight about it because opinion.
I didn't notice anything particularly controversial powers-wise either, though I was surprise Helen lived. My nitpicks were more character-driven than anything. Specifically, the characters frequently sounded more like Joss Whedon than themselves. The character development in the movies after the first seemed to be practically chucked out the window. Plus:
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Ultron is merely aware of the comic book laws of physics. If a weapon could actually kill the hero its aimed at it will NEVER Hit.
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I saw this today and i really enjoyed it:
I was surprised at Hawkeye's family and I thought that was a cool addition to the movie and his character. Hawkeye's had very little character info revealed and I think making him a family man outside of Avenging makes him even more of a "normal guy on a team of superheroes." I also felt like Hawkeye got some of the best moments of the movie.
Black Widow also had some interesting backstory revealed that ties into AoS, which was a nice nod. The thing with her and the Hulk makes sense given that they started setting that up in the previous Avengers movie.
Thor got all the set up needed for Ragnarok. He had some cool moments.
Iron Man, wow, they are doubling down on the ego. Also, given his "suit of armor around the world" mentality, it doesn't surprise me at all that he'd have designed a weapon/armor specifically meant to kill or incapacitate every members of the Avengers (except himself, of course). That Banner is concerned about hurting innocents, i can see how he'd be happy to help Stark build the weapon to take the hulk out if needed.
Cap will always be my favorite and I really liked everything they did with him. Whatever shot he took from Ultron that has folk's dander up, I didn't even notice it.
Quicksilver/Scarlett Witch were cool. Too bad about Quicksilver, but I'm glad he died doing something heroic. I like how SW stepped up and look forward to seeing more of her.
Vision - Awesome. Since he's got the Mond Stone stuck in his forehead, he's going to have issues with Thanos. (I've been saying, ever since it made an appearance, that Loki's scepter contained the Mind Stone. Validation, FTW!)
I also enjoyed Ultron as an antagonist. I liked how he wasn't a cliched robot bad guy. Spader gave him a great amount of personality and overall creepiness.
In short: good summer action/adventure/comicbook movie. Pretty much exactly what I'd hoped for.
I saw it today. Liked it a lot but a few times I groaned at the obvious set ups ..at one point 5 avengers could have easily bit the bullet.
The thing that stood out for me..how freaking hot Cobie Smulders looked. Admidst all the sensational things in the movie, she shone in every scene she was in.
Drooling done.
I saw it today. Liked it a lot but a few times I groaned at the obvious set ups ..at one point 5 avengers could have easily bit the bullet.
The thing that stood out for me..how freaking hot Cobie Smulders looked. Admidst all the sensational things in the movie, she shone in every scene she was in.
Drooling done.
Stop drooling over my future ex-wife!
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Just came back from seeing a second time and noticed something...
The only Jocasta I know is Oedipus' mother, which lends that some creepy possiblities.
It is another AI robot from the Marvel universe...google it.
You have no right to say that.
He has every right to "Say" that.
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And now I know for a fact that you and I are MORTAL ENEMIES.So those two blasts that he took that fight should have got him too... which system are you referencing here, by the way?Ultron's blasts are concussive. They always have been, even in the comic books.Game stats say "Concussion Blasters mounted in the hands capable of inflicting up to Monstrous Force damage at a 4 area range."
So that's 75 points of damage the range of more than 4 basketball courts.
A normal human has a health of 22, so 75 points would flatten him.
Captain America has a listed health of 150.
the FASERIP system of course.
Worlds greatest superhero roleplaying game system.Suck it champions!
[Samuel l Jackson] Superheroes and villains don't start off that way! They're always friends at first![/Samuel l jackson]
Note: This is my opinion, of course. You are perfectly welcome to disagree. I'm not going to fight about it because opinion.
I didn't notice anything particularly controversial powers-wise either, though I was surprise Helen lived. My nitpicks were more character-driven than anything. Specifically, the characters frequently sounded more like Joss Whedon than themselves. The character development in the movies after the first seemed to be practically chucked out the window. Plus:
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[mayor quimby]beautiful.[/mayor Quimby]
Okay folks.
Due to circumstances beyond my control, I ended up seeing Avengers 2 tonight.
If possible, it is worse than the original.
Plot holes big enough to drive a truck through. Whedonisms left and right. On again/off again powers. And of course KALI MA!
Will post a detailed review later.
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Saw the movie yesterday and it is AWESOME! Really makes me wish that Scarlet Witch and Vision could get there own movies.
The problem with the movie is that it doesn't follow some of the simple story-telling concepts that it should and instead relies on the MCU momentum to carry itself. I enjoyed it, but not as much as the previous one.
First off, the movie has 4 acts. While you could make this work, and the movie isn't particularly short, the two middle acts don't really build off each other, but rather exist for different stories almost. Even within those acts you get competing story lines, not complimentary ones.
Second is Ultron. For something called the "Age of Ultron", he doesn't feel like he has a big impact (no pun intended). The net effect is that one fictional city in a fictional country I've never heard of before has a hole in it. Otherwise nothing about the world changes. To add to this, he doesn't really develop much as a villain. He serves more as a vehicle for other characters to be contrasted or compared with, but doesn't get that treatment himself. Weak villains make for weak stories.
Lastly, too much action, too much CGI. It's a little fatiguing and there are definitely breaks inserted to some of the action, which helps. There's still too much though. Some of the CGI looks cartoony.
I still enjoyed it. Enough so that I've sat through it twice and will probably go at least once more. It's a good addition to the MCU, but it's not near as strong as GotG or Avengers 1. Especially within the arc of the MCU, it fits well, connecting dots and setting up future movies.
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Note: This is my opinion, of course. You are perfectly welcome to disagree. I'm not going to fight about it because opinion.
I didn't notice anything particularly controversial powers-wise either, though I was surprise Helen lived. My nitpicks were more character-driven than anything. Specifically, the characters frequently sounded more like Joss Whedon than themselves. The character development in the movies after the first seemed to be practically chucked out the window. Plus:
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RE: Hulk and Black Widow
I mean, the rest of the Avengers accept him as a friend too, and he beat most of them up waaay worse than anything he every did to Romanov (had he been able to pommel her the way he did Thor she would be long dead). Is the Avengers initiative an abusive cult, the various members of it getting victimized by Banner over and over again yet always crawl back to him because they think they need him?
Do the character of Romanov a favor and attribute her with as much agency as you do the rest of the crew.
Well it seems the media is going into small fits about this movie not equaling the first one's domestic sales over the weekend. It's still good (estimate around 187 mil), just not the 212 mil of the first.
I think part of it has to do with the timing of the release. They've been trying to do it for a while, and it really hasn't bit them until now.
They need to release to the US at the same time, if not earlier, then the rest of the world.
The biggest reason, and overlooked, is the US is one of the biggest piracy download spots in the world. By delaying it, all those who were disgruntled about it in the US simply went to the nets and saw it already...and then to make matters worse, with the critics blasting the movie...those who saw the fifth rate washed out colors version probably agree with them.
The US is ranked ~#4 for movie download piracy currently (If I recall right), however, when you compare it to higher ranked locales such as China...the d/ls per person is probably HIGHER for the US than China (China wins with the number of downloads however...but I don't think even China is the highest currently).
That's a pretty big place to put on your release later list if you are concerned bout piracy issues.
Just my thoughts.
I am basing what the pirated movie looks like from what I've heard about other pirated moves, as I haven't seen the pirated version myself (the theaters here started showing it on Apr. 30th, late, so went to that showing myself.
Just a thought in that if they want to see why a film (even I would have said it SHOULD have had a domestic opening BIGGER then the first) didn't succeed as high as every estimate and chart showed it should have, is due almost purely to their release schedule and how they blatantly put the US lower on their list for release dates than elsewhere.
I went and saw it yesterday, instead of watching that fake fight that was on a little later in the evening, but I hear some of the ticket sales may have suffered from people watching that one instead.
Yeah when I saw it last night there was only like 20 other people in the theater at a showing of around the time of the fight.
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For those of us a little older, remember when Christopher Walken looked like Scarlett Johansson?Different angle.
{pours copious liquids into five gallon bucket, tops off with brain bleach, starts blending} OK, first round of Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters is on me.
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Finally saw the movie tonight: I agree with overall views that say it's awesome and well-balanced regarding giving characters equal coverage, but that it also is over-stuffed and could have used a longer running time.
Random comments that have been brought up in the thread that I am going to quickly chime in on:
Never noticed the issue with Cap taking a hit from Ultron in the movie, and it was never something I even thought about here. PS those weren't lasers but obviously some sort of generic energy blast/repulsive effect. Most of the "fatal" strikes by the ultron sentinels was via the blue energy blasts, which Cap never got hit with.
Whedon leaving the MCU/Whedon in general. I doubt there are any bad feelings from Whedon with the Keven Fiege and Marvel studios. They all seem to have a good working relationship. Whedon is just utterly burnt out from the work. Keep in mind he has been doing almost nothing but MCU stuff (Consulting, script-doctoring, script-writing, directing, etc) since the first Captain America movie. That is a TON of work for one person, especially on some a narrow subject.
PS...Whedon uses tropes...but there is nothing wrong with using tropes, since everyone since Homer has been doing so, and Whedon pulls them off well.
Other thoughts:
Supposedly the Blue-ray includes 45 minutes of extra footage cut from the movie. I am thinking that would have solved so many issues with the movie. In fact I really wished that Marvel studios just released a mostly uncut version. Plenty of awkward scenes left in, including some ambiguity on Ultron's exact origins, Strucker's offscreen death, Ultron's initial evolution, more explanation on Thor's vision, etc.
I kind of figured Quicksilver might not last the movie, since he wasn't confirmed for Civil War, and Marvel might consider him disposable since they might not want two (popular) versions of the character in different movie series. Which is a shame because the MCU Quicksilver felt a lot closer to the Marvel version.
Ultron was surprisingly hilarious (I love the "Oh for God's Sake" line), and I think they did a good job of making him sort of a Crazy robot version of Stark. Overall the humor element was pretty well done.
Also...how great was it that a good chunk of the movie was you know, actually doing heroic things? Like saving people? like superheroes do? I am looking at you DCU.
Finally, Hawkeye was great. I love the reveal that he had a farm and a family, and they did a really good job of making him the "humanity" of the team.
One thing I was surprised of: I figured the events of this movie would lead into Civil War. And they didn't. If anything, Cap and Stark ended on even more chummier terms than for most of the movie.
Also kind of sad Hulk didn't get into space so he could hang out with the Guardians. Damn you fake rumors.
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Just saw it. Was a good movie.
The comedy was by far the strongest part. The action got a little fatiguing, but between Ultron and Hawkeye's non-stop quips and lines from the rest of the cast I found myself laughing pretty regluarly.
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"...Sorry?"
Yes, I also remember that part as well Skeld. I hope we will get see more villains(other then Thanos) in the next Avengers like the return of Red Skull, the real Mandarin, etc. Maybe Thanos could use the infinity gems to bring back past villains or something.
I can't wait to see this "extended version", if it ever does exist on Blu Ray.
Nothing was puny god level funny though.
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It was the bit with Hawkeye after
That got me.
"No one would ever know."
But EVERYBODY got at least one good line.
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"...Sorry?"
Nice subtle reference. :D
Only those who have seen the film will know that line.
The hammer scenes were funny.
But nothing busted a stitch on my African souvenir like puny god.
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Hawkeye's speech to Scarlet Witch also was inspiring and hilarious at the same time. It rivals the "Nobody would ever know" line as best line in the movie.
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During the first movie, I couldn't even hear 'puny god,' because the whole theater was laughing (I'm thinking a fair number of them must have already seen it before...).
During this movie, the scene I couldn't hear over laughter was Hawkeye snarking about shooting Quicksilver in the back and explaining to Cap that he had no idea what happened, he just found him that way. (Someone I went with had already seen it before, and told me basically what was said.)
Coming from the comic book Ultron, who was more over-the-top rant-y than sardonic and quippy, I was at first a little put off by the casual conversational tone, and the unstable moments (like when he flipped out on not-Gollum, and then apologized and assured him that he'd be fine!), but it totally worked for the movie Ultron, an unstable mesh of Stark-like irreverence and child-like lack of impulse control.
"I thought you wanted to kill Stark?"
"Blah blah change the world. Also, yeah."
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"Oh for the love of God..."