Well, the MCU version of Hulk is also weaker than the comic version at some points I've seen.
Didn't he, at one point, take on the entire cast of heroes (and villains?) and WIN in World War Hulk?
Sort of.
At the end it comes down to Hulk vs. Sentry. Hulk beats Sentry nearly to death.
If Sentry had died he would have gone supernova and taken out the whole solar system and then some. Hulk, being torn between suicidal rage pain and his ingrained desire to be a hero, chose not to destroy the world. He stopped the fight and turned back to Banner.
So yeah, he won by giving up.
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I think it would be naive to assume Ultron is gone.
Ultron had a ton of copies of himself. He could have stashed a bunch of them anywhere before the big showdown at the end of the movie.
I'm hoping that both Ultron and Arnim Zola show up again at some point. It shouldn't be that easy to destroy an AI that has internet access.
Her proper(ish) name is Natalia Alianovna Romanova. Note that this is actually nonsensical in the real world as Romanova is not a surname, but patronymic meaning daughter of Roman. So she has two patronymics and no surname.
She also uses Natasha Romanoff, and Black Widow is her code name. Code names are cool. Just ask Denarian Rhomann Dey.
Now, Natasha is used as a diminutive form Natalia, which is the Russian form of Natalie and Romanoff is an alternate English spelling of Romanov. So it seems likely that Lee and Rico didn't bother to figure out how Russian names worked when the wrote her in the '60s, and that her 'real' name is Natalia Alianovna Romanov. This is still somewhat problematic due to the Romanov surname, but since it's almost assuredly a name given to her by the Red Room, whatever.
Romanova is a surname. "Daughter of Roman" would be "Romanovna."
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I think it's worth noting that this Ultron is really pretty much Ultron Mark 1. He hasn't been through a bunch of defeats and upgrades to become the true powerhouse that the comic Ultron has become. Heck, he didn't even give himself a vibranium body.I'm not seeing the Cap nonlethal controversy. Cap's got armor built into his uniform. Even ** spoiler omitted ** takes a shot in the chest and doesn't die from it. I can't understand why this of all things is shattering people's suspension of disbelief.It's not just that he survived, it's that he shrugged it off as if it was no more than a punch. When it was actually a super advanced high tech energy weapon. Surviving stuff is fine for a hero, but how am I supposed to be involved in a fight scene where the bad guy did his worse to the good guy and nothing happened? at that point the scene is just noise and lights, not an intense fight. Kinda like every scene with the Hulk in it, except we got used to it with the Hulk *and* it is an established part of the character. People, self included, assumed Cap is vulnerable.
Actually, the Ultron that they faced at the end would technically be Ultron Mk III (Mk I was at the party, Mark II was what Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch met), and it was made from vibranium (Stark even comments on how "puffy" his body was, like he'd taken steroids, before the battle).
And as far as Cap taking two hits from Ultron's blasters with almost no effect, keep in mind that his uniform was made by Stark this go round. That, combined with his Super-Soldier serum enhanced body, makes him hard to hurt. Compare that to when Ultron shot Doctor Cho, who survived a direct hit and she's just a normal human, though she was hurt pretty badly. I'd say if anyone had "plot armor", it was her. Especially when one considers that her staff probably died from being shot.
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Actually, the Ultron that they faced at the end would technically be Ultron Mk III (Mk I was at the party, Mark II was what Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch met), and it was made from vibranium (Stark even comments on how "puffy" his body was, like he'd taken steroids, before the battle).
You're right, he would be Ultron Mk III. He might have been vibranium, but I was more under the impression that the "puffy" remark was in regards to his size...he seemed bigger than the rest of the Ultrons. I also remain unconvinced that he was made of vibranium because of the amount of damage he took, even before the Vision / Thor / Iron Man combo blast.
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Presumably ultron can set the blast to stun, so Cho doesn't have plot armor she has "I need you alive" armor.
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Oh, he was definitely bigger. That was why Stark asked if he'd been juicing, using "vibranium content" that made him look puffy. Which makes sense that he'd use any leftover vibranium to evolve himself (probably more of a coating over his exoskeletal shell like in the comics rather than being completely made of the substance, which would make moving very difficult for him, now that I think about it, because of his tessellated metal joints) with it also being a further nod to the comics (Ultron Mks VI on used adamantium for this purpose). The coating would explain why he was able to withstand the combined blast of Iron Man, Thor, and Vision for as long as he did.
I also remain unconvinced that he was made of vibranium because of the amount of damage he took, even before the Vision / Thor / Iron Man combo blast.
He took a combined combined blast from Iron Man's Uni-Beam, lightning from Mjolnir, and an energy beam from an Infinity Stone. At once. For almost half a minute.
When he was done, he was melted a bit around the edges with a few scorch marks and cracks here and there, but was still functional. Had to have his power core yoinked out with telekinesis for that body to DIE.If that's not Vibranium, or at least a Vibranium alloy, then they need to use whatever it is for armoring EVERYTHING from this point onward, as well as making all knives and melee weapons from it just in case.
Plus, if it wasn't Vibranium and took that much damage, Ultron would have been able to make his drones out of the stuff and the Avengers would have all died horribly and hilariously.
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So just to show everyone I have the most amazing wifey ever. There I am having a s%@@ day at work and I'm talking to her on the phone and she so nonchalantly goes
Amazing wifey: You know we still need to watch the avengers when do you want to go?
Undeserving husband: today...?
Amazing wifey: ok let me see what time it's showing.
Undeserving husband: REALLY!!!!!!!So later tonight we are watching it and I repeat I have the most amazing wife ever in the entire multiverse.
Not married, so I guess I'm not eligible for competition there, but... my girlfriend dragged me to watch Guardians of the Galaxy with her a second time in IMAX. Tomorrow there's a show of Mad Max 2 in a local theater to prepare us youngsters who never watched it when it was new for the new Mad Max, and I asked her if she wants to join me. She said she prefers to watch the new Avengers. I said, "why not both? we have the weekend". That sounded good to her.
This reminds me of that awesome dinner party scene where Tony and Thor try to one up each other on who has a more smart and capable romantic partner. Loved that scene.
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The Onion give a mostly favorable review of the movie, though I did feel their criticism was justified.
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Presumably ultron can set the blast to stun, so Cho doesn't have plot armor she has "I need you alive" armor.
Except Ultron didn't need her alive after she built the body he asked for. Once she showed him how to properly upload himself into the body's brain, Cho lost all value to him. Which was why he blasted her after discovering that she was no longer under the Mind Stone's mental domination. He fully intended to kill Cho and her assistants, and yet only she survived.
Presumably ultron can set the blast to stun, so Cho doesn't have plot armor she has "I need you alive" armor.Except Ultron didn't need her alive after she built the body he asked for. Once she showed him how to properly upload himself into the body's brain, Cho lost all value to him. Which was why he blasted her after discovering that she was no longer under the Mind Stone's mental domination. He fully intended to kill Cho and her assistants, and yet only she survived.
Of course, she is SHIELD's top bio-engineer, so it's certainly plausible that she had augmented herself in some way.
I'm hoping that both Ultron and Arnim Zola show up again at some point. It shouldn't be that easy to destroy an AI that has internet access.I think it would be naive to assume Ultron is gone.
Ultron had a ton of copies of himself. He could have stashed a bunch of them anywhere before the big showdown at the end of the movie.
With Armin Zola, they kept showing that flashdrive, so I think he is indeed still around.
MCU Stark is obviously a hell of a lot smarter than 616 Stark. 616 Stark has never built a Hulkbuster armor that's even vaguely effective, while MCU Stark actually managed a win with his.
They mentioned really quickly that Banner designed Veronica.
Lullaby
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Yeah, its also why when Black Widow was down they had to call in the Hulk Buster to stop him instead of just having her go calm him.
I'm hoping that both Ultron and Arnim Zola show up again at some point. It shouldn't be that easy to destroy an AI that has internet access.I think it would be naive to assume Ultron is gone.
Ultron had a ton of copies of himself. He could have stashed a bunch of them anywhere before the big showdown at the end of the movie.
I agree with you about the Zola thing but in A:AOU the first thing that Vision did upon his initial confrontation with Ultron was cut off an escape route through the internet. So unless Ultron already had parts of himself nested out there somewhere (which is entirely possible...) he was trapped in those Ultron bodies at that location.
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One realization I had after watching the movie:
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Yeah...
I think the AI was basically a way for Thanos to "get back" the mind gem if Loki absconded with it or it was otherwise lost. However it got merged/corrupted with the AI Stark had created for the Ultron program
What is also interesting is that Vision may know about Thanos and such than he has let on. He says the human race is doomed in his convo with Ultron at the end, but is it doomed because humanity is foolish? or because Thanos is gunning for the infinity stones.
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MCU Stark is obviously a hell of a lot smarter than 616 Stark. 616 Stark has never built a Hulkbuster armor that's even vaguely effective, while MCU Stark actually managed a win with his.They mentioned really quickly that Banner designed Veronica.
Took a second viewing to catch that. The little dig about watching over his shoulder for Veronica... before we actually knew what Veronica was!
I enjoyed that tidbit quite a bit afterwards.
One of the few things I actually like about this hulk... I have a REALLY hard time figuring out this character's mindset. Personally I always preferred Savage hulk... but this guy is a little TOO savage. All growling and no words, yet still working as a team player.
It took a long time to get used to the 'smarter' more heroic version in Avengers Assembled.. or even Earth's mightiest Heroes... but I really think i'm starting to prefer THAT one. Especially the compettion with Thor and the smug one-liners...
I wonder if they are going to clear up any of the continuity anywhere? Maybe a director's cut out there somewhere??
I would have loved a few lines about how Tony went from 'blow up everything' to 'Oh I still have suits'... in Iron Man 3...
Thanos' appearance too... We've already seen that Gauntlet sitting in Odin's vault... are we gonna have any explaination as to how he gets it? Are we to assume that Loki/Odin just handed it over on a whim? Or did he just have another one lying around. (for that matter we saw the Eye of Amaggato in there too... Wonder how that gets back to Dr. Strange for HIS movie...)
I know in the comics it's "Just his glove"... but I have a theory that in THIS continuity, the gauntlet will be some kind of powerful artifact designed to channel/merge the gems... just to prevent the catastrophe from GotG... If so, there shouldn't be multiples around...
Presumably ultron can set the blast to stun, so Cho doesn't have plot armor she has "I need you alive" armor.Except Ultron didn't need her alive after she built the body he asked for. Once she showed him how to properly upload himself into the body's brain, Cho lost all value to him. Which was why he blasted her after discovering that she was no longer under the Mind Stone's mental domination. He fully intended to kill Cho and her assistants, and yet only she survived.
"Yeah sure, just plug and hit enter. Its all you need to do
"Ok, " zaps scientist to a pile of ash
"Download halted. BLUESCREEN Error 11029363
"Hey, how do you fix.... g*~*+@nit. "
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Of course, she is SHIELD's top bio-engineer, so it's certainly plausible that she had augmented herself in some way.
It would elevate her ten places above that scientist in Iron Man 3 who invented extremis, able to heal people from having limbs blown off and shipping containers dropped on them, who died of an inevitable and easily predicted gunshot wound because she gave her *potted plant* super-healing powers, but never bothered to give them to herself...
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Of course, she is SHIELD's top bio-engineer, so it's certainly plausible that she had augmented herself in some way.It would elevate her ten places above that scientist in Iron Man 3 who invented extremis, able to heal people from having limbs blown off and shipping containers dropped on them, who died of an inevitable and easily predicted gunshot wound because she gave her *potted plant* super-healing powers, but never bothered to give them to herself...
Um...sure scientist are always injecting themselves with unstable things that might make them blow up oh and there is a chance that it would kill them outright. Did you watch the movie?
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I agree with you about the Zola thing but in A:AOU the first thing that Vision did upon his initial confrontation with Ultron was cut off an escape route through the internet. So unless Ultron already had parts of himself nested out there somewhere (which is entirely possible...) he was trapped in those Ultron bodies at that location.I'm hoping that both Ultron and Arnim Zola show up again at some point. It shouldn't be that easy to destroy an AI that has internet access.I think it would be naive to assume Ultron is gone.
Ultron had a ton of copies of himself. He could have stashed a bunch of them anywhere before the big showdown at the end of the movie.
Well,
My current theory is that Vision consumed Ultron and integrated it into himself. Would certainly make his character more interesting, and it's a nice way to keep Ultron around without having to actually fight him again.
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MCU Avengers 2 AoU sucks so hard, and it is so lame... waste of money even for fanboys.
Weak plot, lame story, worst acting than before... the best actors in the movie was Ultron and Hulk... And those were maded by CGI.
2.1 hours to see nothing at all... the final credits ending promises much more but if this one was so lame... dude, im getting down from the entire MCU movies at all.
Hope Punisher will be better as Daredevil is.
Thankfully, you are in an extreme minority.
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Thankfully, you are in an extreme minority.MCU Avengers 2 AoU sucks so hard, and it is so lame... waste of money even for fanboys.
Weak plot, lame story, worst acting than before... the best actors in the movie was Ultron and Hulk... And those were maded by CGI.
2.1 hours to see nothing at all... the final credits ending promises much more but if this one was so lame... dude, im getting down from the entire MCU movies at all.
Hope Punisher will be better as Daredevil is.
It looks like the Freehold A.I. has built his first duplicate and uploaded into it. O_o
I wonder if they are going to clear up any of the continuity anywhere? Maybe a director's cut out there somewhere??
I would have loved a few lines about how Tony went from 'blow up everything' to 'Oh I still have suits'... in Iron Man 3...
Thanos' appearance too... We've already seen that Gauntlet sitting in Odin's vault... are we gonna have any explaination as to how he gets it? Are we to assume that Loki/Odin just handed it over on a whim? Or did he just have another one lying around. (for that matter we saw the Eye of Amaggato in there too... Wonder how that gets back to Dr. Strange for HIS movie...)
I know in the comics it's "Just his glove"... but I have a theory that in THIS continuity, the gauntlet will be some kind of powerful artifact designed to channel/merge the gems... just to prevent the catastrophe from GotG... If so, there shouldn't be multiples around...
From what I have heard, this movie has 45 minutes of deleted scenes they want to include in a directors cut. As far as connecting other easter eggs, don't expect anything. They have mentioned that a lot of the things in the background of some of those shots are were not intentional from the perspective of the head writers, but things that graphics guys and artists put in to fill out the shots, and they are not willing to be tied down by it. The most notable of these was the cocoon in the Collector's collection.
I wonder if they are going to clear up any of the continuity anywhere? Maybe a director's cut out there somewhere??
They have already announced that the blue ray special edition will have a whopping 45 minutes added in. Granted, I think the Odin not having the gauntlet and they eye is just going to be retconned out.
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There was a tweet about the Gauntlet from someone involved with the film, that noted the Gauntlet Thanos puts on in the end goes on the left hand, while the one in Odin's Vault was for the right hand.
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Loki was/is working for Thanos.
Loki is now (essentially) king of Asgard.
Now Thanos has the gauntlet.
Not hard to connect the dots there.
It looks like the Freehold A.I. has built his first duplicate and uploaded into it. O_oThankfully, you are in an extreme minority.MCU Avengers 2 AoU sucks so hard, and it is so lame... waste of money even for fanboys.
Weak plot, lame story, worst acting than before... the best actors in the movie was Ultron and Hulk... And those were maded by CGI.
2.1 hours to see nothing at all... the final credits ending promises much more but if this one was so lame... dude, im getting down from the entire MCU movies at all.
Hope Punisher will be better as Daredevil is.
There are no strings...on us...
Ok after a quick web search:
It sounds like the only thing keeping the new Avengers movie from being the biggest hit ever (a title still held by Avengers 1) was the huge boxing match that large numbers of people watched instead. Good job Mr Whedon! Although I suppose Disney is kicking itself for not noticing the scheduling conflict.
I think they schedule the movie releases at least a year or so in advance. I doubt they could have planned for the boxing match.
About that glove...The comments on-line elsewhere (see Insightful Panda, for example) imply that they are, in fact, two different gloves.
Scroll down to the last Easter Egg comment.
I thought the movie was pretty good. It was funny. I had trouble seeing some of the action, but that might have been because I saw it in a drive-thru theater and the screen wasn't as large as it would have been in a typical movie theater.
My biggest concern with the movies is how will they age? I don't see them holding up well after everything is all wrapped up. Though, they will always have the distinction of being the first to bring together a project of this magnitude.