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Avengers 2 trailer looks pretty cool.


I'm not sure why, but that trailer for it didn't grab me as much as the first one did. Actually, I've got a fair idea why. First one had way more James Spader talking. Plus that scene with everyone trying to lift Mjolnir at the start amused me to no end.


Tinkergoth wrote:
I'm not sure why, but that trailer for it didn't grab me as much as the first one did. Actually, I've got a fair idea why. First one had way more James Spader talking. Plus that scene with everyone trying to lift Mjolnir at the start amused me to no end.

Especially that moment when Cap moves Mjolnir a bit, and Thor looks worried until Cap gives up.

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The new trailer didn't offer much new:

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* I'm guessing the "bloodshot"/weird-colored eyes of the Hulk indicate he's under Ultron's influence. Mind-influencing nanobots maybe?

* I'm glad it's Tony in the Hulkbuster armor. Nice set up for Planet Hulk. I imagine Ultron is most worried about The Science Bros, and has set things up to keep Banner and Stark in conflict to stop them from working together to stop him.

* A peek into Natasha's pre-BW background and hints she was operated/experimented on. Wild guess: Did Strucker's scientists work on Natasha in the past for the Soviets, and now the Avengers track them down to discover Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver in their "care"?

* Is the woman in the cave/underground scene Shuri (T'Challa's/Black Panther's sister)?


Yeah, the trailer just felt like a really generic action movie trailer to me. Little to none of the wow factor that I normally expect from a Marvel trailer.


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I definitely think the first trailer had a more unique, Marvel Universe appeal to it. Whether it was the fun "lift the hammer" bit to Spader's Ultron voiceover (with the haunting version of Pinocchio song in the background even). It works because it touches on some of the unique Marvel character themes.

This trailer just comes off as brooding and action (with some plot hints), but nowhere near as fun or interesting. Since the first Avenger's movie, I've noticed there's been a trend to have at least one of these style of trailers for all their MU series (Thor 2, Captain America 2, Iron Man 3, for example.) It's like they want to say to the audience that these movies are "more serious" than before, I guess. It tends to point the movies more towards the "Ultimates" comics series as time goes on - for better or worse.


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Also interesting is that the trailers that have the fun additional bits (like the extended version of the first trailer that includes the trying to lift the hammer scene) tend to not be the American trailers. From memory, the extended version was listed as the UK trailer in most places. Could be that they're trying to compensate for the fact that different regions are looking for different things in their films. We tend to get the UK trailers at the cinema here in Australia, and certainly they often appeal more to me than the American ones do.


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Freehold DM wrote:
His thirst will never be sated...

Apparently not.

Could he not foresee this problem (coming to dislike the characters) before he agreed to direct the 1st Avengers film?


Lord Fyre wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
His thirst will never be sated...

Apparently not.

Could he not foresee this problem (coming to dislike the characters) before he agreed to direct the 1st Avengers film?

I don't think that's quite what he said or meant.

In fact, I read it as getting so far into the character of Ultron that he's taking his viewpoint. Because he's been working on the Ultron parts.


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It doesn't surprise me that "destroying" the Avengers might be part of the storyline. If you are reader of Avengers, there have been several depowered phases in the team's comic history.

Most famously was when it was reduced down to Captain America, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and the Scarlet Witch. I could see them doing something similar - given the new appearance in this movie of those two.

Production wise, it would certainly reduce your cost on actors and effects if you have four relatively-human characters. I could see them keeping Black Widow or introducing some characters they want for future movies like Black Panther as well.


Well...I don't think they are destroying the Avengers, so much as weakening them, to set up the Infinity War. All the main avengers have contracts for at least 3 main movies and 3 Avenger films.

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I'm with TheJef here. I feel fairly confident that people are reading way too much into what is essentially a joke by Whedon. He's just saying that he feels really into the character of Ultron - NOT the he actually is going to "destroy the Avengers".

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Lord Snow wrote:
I'm with TheJef here. I feel fairly confident that people are reading way too much into what is essentially a joke by Whedon. He's just saying that he feels really into the character of Ultron - NOT the he actually is going to "destroy the Avengers".

Evans and Downey, Jr. are near the ends of their contracts, so it's entirely possible that 'destroy' refers to breaking up the original lineup and making room for Winter Soldier or War Machine to move into those 'slots' on the team.

There's not yet an obvious replacement for Hemsworth/Thor, but Thor 3 is already in the works, and could bring up the focus on one of the other Asgardians (perhaps even Sif, after her profile was bumped a bit by her Agents of SHIELD appearance) or introducing a new character (such as Beta Ray Bill or Thunderstrike).

If Scarlet Johanssen is also reaching the end of her movie deal (which I have no idea...), Sif, or some other female Avenger (such as a Wasp spun off from the Ant-Man movie, or Clea from a Dr. Strange movie, or new interpretation, such as Betsy-Ross-as-She-Hulk or Extremis-Pepper), becomes even more likely.

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Evans and Downey, Jr. are near the ends of their contracts, so it's entirely possible that 'destroy' refers to breaking up the original lineup and making room for Winter Soldier or War Machine to move into those 'slots' on the team.

It might be possible that the Avengers would be destroyed but that has nothing to do with what Whedon was saying in the linked article. He was simply saying in a creative way that after spending so much time writing Ultron he is seeing things from the characters' point of view. Not only is that what he is saying, but also he wouldn't be revealing a MAJOR plot point in this casual manner.

I do recall that when Marvel announced all their movies up to (and including) 2844 they mentioned that the next movie to really shake things up in the MCU would be Thor 3, so I expect the Avengers will not be defeated in the upcoming movie.


Thor 3 has been stated as having as significant impact as Winter Soldier. I don't know though if that precludes Avengers 2 or Cap 3 from also having a significant, if maybe slightly less dramatic, impact.

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The official poster for Avengers 2 is up.

Can you see Doctor Strange in the background?


baron arem heshvaun wrote:

The official poster for Avengers 2 is up.

Can you see Doctor Strange in the background?

I have to admit I can't. I see The Vision, but I'm not seeing where Dr. Strange would be.

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The poster is... kinda goofy.


apparently the cast listings on the poster indicate Falcon and Peggy Carter are in the movie.

Also Danny Elfman apparently was credited with additional music score, so io9 is wildly speculating that their will be a post credit scene with Spiderman...


Who is floating in the background with a yellow cape?

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The Vision


Looks silly to me.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Looks silly to me.

You might still like the movie. Whe don 't know yet ;)


Lord Snow wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Looks silly to me.
You might still like the movie. Whe don 't know yet ;)

You, sir, are evil.

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Drink the Kool Aid Freedom, drink the Kool Aid.

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Doesn't look silly to me.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Looks silly to me.

You must be jossing us....

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Guess which one is prominent in the US :D


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Huh. I noticed the background changes first. Didn't pick up on what you were talking about until I'd stared at it for awhile.

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I am amused that this poster at least doesn't Scarlet charging butt-first into a gunfight.

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Set wrote:

I am amused that this poster at least doesn't Scarlet charging butt-first into a gunfight.

Have patience.

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Lord Fyre wrote:
Set wrote:

I am amused that this poster at least doesn't Scarlet charging butt-first into a gunfight.

Have patience.

You have to admit here's some measure of style in bringing a butt to a gun fight.

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Set wrote:
I am amused that this poster at least doesn't Scarlet charging butt-first into a gunfight.

In real life Scarlett Johansson has a tattoo on her right side rib cage that say's "lucky you." I assume that for the reader who wakes up next to her.

This Thursday the new Avengers II trailer drops.

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
This Thursday the new Avengers II trailer drops.

It's almost Thursday in the UK so we have the trailer.

Oh my.


Looks fun. Ok who was the dude right at the end.

My knowledge of Marvel is weak....


Wooooooo!!


Molten Dragon wrote:

Looks fun. Ok who was the dude right at the end.

My knowledge of Marvel is weak....

Vision, it looks like. Confirmed in the "Film" section below (though spoiler warning, I suppose).


Not the same without ant man. I don't see Tony making ultron, I just don't. He's not a philanthropist/scientist in the same mold.


That said...I do see him making something similar and it just plain going wrong. hm.


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Freehold DM wrote:
That said...I do see him making something similar and it just plain going wrong. hm.

That seems to be the route they're going - Tony made an AI as a defense/emergency response system and it went rogue.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Not the same without ant man. I don't see Tony making ultron, I just don't. He's not a philanthropist/scientist in the same mold.

In an interview, Whedon himself stated how he really wanted to use Pym for the Ultron origin, but Ant Man was already in development and he couldn't step on Wright's toes. Tony is smart enough—especially with J.A.R.V.I.S. established as Chekov's A.I. back in Iron Man (I)—has the resources, is an untrusting control freak, and was looking for a way to get out of the armor since IM3... he has great believable motivations for developing a robot peacekeeper(s) program. And he has an ego big enough to think he can pull it off successfully, despite a track record (starting with his dad) of inventions that turn out to dangerously malfunction and/or be misused.

After Avengers 2 ends, those same motivations can easily and believably lead into the Civil War, Armor Wars, and Demon in a Bottle storylines.

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Sorry Freehold, but your hate for Whedon is clouding your judgment. ;)

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Not the same without ant man. I don't see Tony making ultron, I just don't. He's not a philanthropist/scientist in the same mold.
In an interview, Whedon himself stated how he really wanted to use Pym for the Ultron origin, but Ant Man was already in development and he couldn't step on Wright's toes. Tony is smart enough—especially with J.A.R.V.I.S. established as Chekov's A.I. back in Iron Man (I)—has the resources, is an untrusting control freak, and was looking for a way to get out of the armor since IM3... he has great believable motivations for developing a robot peacekeeper(s) program. And he has an ego big enough to think he can pull it off successfully, despite a track record (starting with his dad) of inventions that turn out to dangerously malfunction and/or be misused.

Actually, with S.H.I.E.L.D. imploding, he would see a void (Global emergency response) that would need filled.


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Another possible parallel/character beat just occurred to me between Tony and his dad. In Agent Carter, Howard Stark emotionally confesses that Captain America is the one good thing he can take pride in having created. Post-A2:AoU...

Spoiler:
the creation of Vision might very well take on the same meaning for Tony, and even develop into a father-son dynamic.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Not the same without ant man. I don't see Tony making ultron, I just don't. He's not a philanthropist/scientist in the same mold.

In an interview, Whedon himself stated how he really wanted to use Pym for the Ultron origin, but Ant Man was already in development and he couldn't step on Wright's toes. Tony is smart enough—especially with J.A.R.V.I.S. established as Chekov's A.I. back in Iron Man (I)—has the resources, is an untrusting control freak, and was looking for a way to get out of the armor since IM3... he has great believable motivations for developing a robot peacekeeper(s) program. And he has an ego big enough to think he can pull it off successfully, despite a track record (starting with his dad) of inventions that turn out to dangerously malfunction and/or be misused.

After Avengers 2 ends, those same motivations can easily and believably lead into the Civil War, Armor Wars, and Demon in a Bottle storylines.

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Sorry Freehold, but your hate for Whedon is clouding your judgment. ;)

I liked armor wars...


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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Not the same without ant man. I don't see Tony making ultron, I just don't. He's not a philanthropist/scientist in the same mold.
In an interview, Whedon himself stated how he really wanted to use Pym for the Ultron origin, but Ant Man was already in development and he couldn't step on Wright's toes. Tony is smart enough—especially with J.A.R.V.I.S. established as Chekov's A.I. back in Iron Man (I)—has the resources, is an untrusting control freak, and was looking for a way to get out of the armor since IM3... he has great believable motivations for developing a robot peacekeeper(s) program. And he has an ego big enough to think he can pull it off successfully, despite a track record (starting with his dad) of inventions that turn out to dangerously malfunction and/or be misused.
Actually, with S.H.I.E.L.D. imploding, he would see a void (Global emergency response) that would need filled.

I could easily see Tony making an army of killbots without batting an eye, especially with whedon at the helm of the film.


Ok, at the 1 minute mark there is someone who in the darkness looks like they have Wolverine claws. Any idea who it might be?


Caineach wrote:
Ok, at the 1 minute mark there is someone who in the darkness looks like they have Wolverine claws. Any idea who it might be?

At first I thought it was T'Challa popping claws, but replaying the trailer in super slow-motion makes the "claws" look more like some technological device. I can't make out out who is holding the device.


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Caineach wrote:
Ok, at the 1 minute mark there is someone who in the darkness looks like they have Wolverine claws. Any idea who it might be?
At first I thought it was T'Challa popping claws, but replaying the trailer in super slow-motion makes the "claws" look more like some technological device. I can't make out out who is holding the device.

Yeah. Discussions in the youtube comments seem to think it is a quiver, but it looks nothing like what is in the very next scene with Hawkeye.

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Caineach wrote:
Ok, at the 1 minute mark there is someone who in the darkness looks like they have Wolverine claws. Any idea who it might be?

I'm going to guess that it is

Spoiler:
Ulysses Klaw, the character that Andy Serkis is playing that will tie in to the Black Panther movie.


Skeld wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Ok, at the 1 minute mark there is someone who in the darkness looks like they have Wolverine claws. Any idea who it might be?

I'm going to guess that it is

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Doesn't look much like a sonic disruptor.
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