Full MAD can you gestalt it?


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Scarab Sages

I was thinking about this recently and I was wondering is it possible to create a gestalt combination that requires all six abilities to function. So far I can't see a way for the mental stats to work I wind up with either charisma or int left over. Anyone know of a class that uses both?


Kensai Magus/Shaman


Inspiried swashbuckler/Monk

Scarab Sages

Ah so there are some exotic combinations that requires it, I wonder how they'd play.


Depends on the stat outlays. Terrible in 15 pt buy, ok at 20, reasonable at 30. If you have rolls as your base system, you can benchline 30 pt buy as 14 in all stats before racials.

Either way, it's going to be exactly what you expect: you're stretched in a lot of different directions and do well against CR appropriate encounters, but struggle in major encounters.


sounds fun.


Arcanist monk, although if you went the sensei route you can make a character who only focus on mental stats.

Scarab Sages

christos gurd wrote:
Arcanist monk, although if you went the sensei route you can make a character who only focus on mental stats.

Arcanist monk prompted the question as your only doing 5 stats with int or cha left over.


Numerous Arcanist abilities function off of CHA and INT is the primary casting stat.


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yeah arcanist's exploits use charisma a lot of the time.


Monk/Paladin

Hmmm now for a harder one. Cleric/Vivisectionist

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Marroar Gellantara wrote:
Monk/Paladin

That's one class, though. It's called a Champion of Irori.


Angry Wiggles wrote:
Marroar Gellantara wrote:
Monk/Paladin
That's one class, though. It's called a Champion of Irori.

PRC, though.

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Druid/Arcanist

Really, just about any Wisdom-Heavy class alongside an arcanist.

Scarab Sages

Serisan wrote:
Numerous Arcanist abilities function off of CHA and INT is the primary casting stat.

Hmmm guess it must be exploits I'm not using I need to take a closer look at this.


Senko wrote:
Serisan wrote:
Numerous Arcanist abilities function off of CHA and INT is the primary casting stat.
Hmmm guess it must be exploits I'm not using I need to take a closer look at this.

There's... a lot.

-Anything with a saving throw. All Arcanist exploits use Cha-based DCs.
-All of the elemental damage attacks use Cha
-Bloodline- and School- based abilities use Cha (one of the more irritating drawbacks of trying to build a Blockbuster Arcanist and one of the stronger aspects of the School Savant).
-A random smattering of other stuff. At first glance: Arcane Barrier, Arcane Weapon, Shadow Veil, (Greater) Spell Disruption, (Greater) Spell Resistance, Alter Enhancements, Suffering Knowledge.

You can build an Arcanist that dumps Cha without too much trouble if you want, but you can just as easily make it key.

Scarab Sages

kestral287 wrote:
Senko wrote:
Serisan wrote:
Numerous Arcanist abilities function off of CHA and INT is the primary casting stat.
Hmmm guess it must be exploits I'm not using I need to take a closer look at this.

There's... a lot.

-Anything with a saving throw. All Arcanist exploits use Cha-based DCs.
-All of the elemental damage attacks use Cha
-Bloodline- and School- based abilities use Cha (one of the more irritating drawbacks of trying to build a Blockbuster Arcanist and one of the stronger aspects of the School Savant).
-A random smattering of other stuff. At first glance: Arcane Barrier, Arcane Weapon, Shadow Veil, (Greater) Spell Disruption, (Greater) Spell Resistance, Alter Enhancements, Suffering Knowledge.

You can build an Arcanist that dumps Cha without too much trouble if you want, but you can just as easily make it key.

Ah I see that would be why I hadn't noticed it most of my exploit choices are things that don't require a saving throw e.g. familiar and the bloodline I was looking at was the Kitsune ninetailed one that gives you a ki pool (wis) to boost their spells.


Paladin/wizard.

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Sissyl wrote:
Paladin/wizard.

Eh, you can still dump wisdom with that set-up.

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