Marvel's Avengers (The Infinity War - Parts 1 and 2)!

[MMCJawa]

Chris Evans definitely wants out. RDJ seems to be okay with showing up, but only if you drive truckloads of money to his doorstep. Scarjo is actually getting a movie in Phase 4, so she seems likely to stick around

Hemsworth and Ruffalo seem to be open to future outings. No clue on anyone else, although I expect phase 4 will mostly focus on newer characters anyway

[Greylurker]

so..Hulk

Do we think Hulk is scared of Thanos or is he ashamed that he lost a fight.

[The Mad Comrade]

Greylurker wrote:

so..Hulk

Do we think Hulk is scared of Thanos or is he ashamed that he lost a fight.

For the first time Hulk knows fear, not just of losing badly, he also for the first time felt the fear of death.

[GreenDragon1133]

Hama wrote:

And really can't happen now

Time travel is involved. If the theory is true, he arrives from before the fight with Thanos to initiate the plan.

[Hama]

MMCJawa wrote:

Chris Evans definitely wants out. RDJ seems to be okay with showing up, but only if you drive truckloads of money to his doorstep. Scarjo is actually getting a movie in Phase 4, so she seems likely to stick around

Hemsworth and Ruffalo seem to be open to future outings. No clue on anyone else, although I expect phase 4 will mostly focus on newer characters anyway

So he'll probably sacrifice himself in 4.

[ryric]

My wife's Dr. Strange theory:

Spoiler:

The ending we saw- is the one path where the heroes win. Strange is playing the long game. There was no possible future where Thanos was defeated on Titan by their little group - the heroes' victory is much further in the future. Strange didn't sacrifice the Time stone to save Tony; he gave up the Time stone to save the Time stone.

Also some musings about the infinity stones in general:

Spoiler:

I would not be surprised in Gamora's soul was in fact in the Soul stone. Might be a mechanism there for restoring her. Also it's hinted at that the connection between Vision and the Mind stone was two-way, so the Mind stone and by connection the Gauntlet might have a bit of its own moral center from that.

[GreenDragon1133]

ryric wrote:

My wife's Dr. Strange theory:

** spoiler omitted **

Also some musings about the infinity stones in general:

** spoiler omitted **

Agreed on Strange. Very possibly on the stones.

[Phillip Gastone]

Re:ryric's thery.

Does make me wonder HOW they would have lost. Gauntlet off, Mantis has Thanos dizzy so Drax could have put a knife in the jugular.

[ryric]

Phillip Gastone wrote:

Re:ryric's thery.

Does make me wonder HOW they would have lost. Gauntlet off, Mantis has Thanos dizzy so Drax could have put a knife in the jugular.

Spoiler:

There was probably no version of that fight where Star Lord finding out about Gamora wasn't going to mess something up. If he found out earlier his impatience ruins the ambush, and Nebula was always going to show up at that time and spill the beans at some point. There just wasn't time for Peter to learn the news and be in an emotional position to act rationally about it when confronted with Thanos in person. That kind of anger can flare up hot again years later, let alone hours or minutes.

[MMCJawa]

Hama wrote:

MMCJawa wrote:

Chris Evans definitely wants out. RDJ seems to be okay with showing up, but only if you drive truckloads of money to his doorstep. Scarjo is actually getting a movie in Phase 4, so she seems likely to stick around

Hemsworth and Ruffalo seem to be open to future outings. No clue on anyone else, although I expect phase 4 will mostly focus on newer characters anyway

So he'll probably sacrifice himself in 4.

I think Tony and Cap are both in the long term going to be out of the MCU by close of Avengers 4. Maybe death, maybe something else (I heard at least one speculation that, since 4 is likely to involve Time Travel, Cap might go back in time to be with Peggy, although that has all sort of ramifications that makes my head hurt).

[DeathQuaker]

Very much agreed with Mrs. Ryric.

Guys, when talking about who's alive/dead or who is going to be, I think it would be nice to leave things in spoilers for another few days at least. Some of these posts basically confirm certain things they shouldn't.

I really have no idea what's gonna be in store for 4 except that...

Really really spoilers:

The reset button will be pressed to some degree for anyone who was dusted, especially since several of the dusted characters have upcoming sequels. While I could almost believe the next Spider-Man could be the rise of Miles Morales and the next Black Panther is about Shuri becoming Queen of Wakanda, it seems unlikely when Tom Holland and Chadwick Boseman are money-makingly popular (not that Letitia Wright isn't given how many people love Shuri, but still). More to the point I do believe there is also going to be a Dr. Strange II and there is only one character named Dr. Strange. But who knows? Maybe the world will continue with half the universe dead. It's highly unlikely, but certainly would lay ground for all kinds of stories.

One thing I kind of liked about how this movie panned out is that it raised the stakes high enough it's hard to guess exactly what's coming, and in a world where rampant spoilage and speculation has often effectively ruined films for some of its audience, that's a good thing. I realize by saying this I'm not going to stop the speculation, and of course I have my own games I want to play with it... just trying to amicably caution about where to set the bar.

MMCJawa wrote:

(I heard at least one speculation that, since 4 is likely to involve Time Travel, Cap might go back in time to be with Peggy, although that has all sort of ramifications that makes my head hurt).

"Oh great news! My nephew just had a baby daughter, Sharon. Would you like to go see her? Steve? What's that look on your face for?"

Also, he has to be willing to share Peggy with Dottie.

[Black Dougal]

GreenDragon1133 wrote:

ryric wrote:

My wife's Dr. Strange theory:

** spoiler omitted **

Also some musings about the infinity stones in general:

** spoiler omitted **

Agreed on Strange. Very possibly on the stones.

Yeah, I agree those theories make a lot of sense, I would use them if i was the writers

[Sara Marie]

We've also got a thread full of spoilers here:
THE INFINITY WAR THREAD! ONCE YOU SEE THE MOVIE POST YOUR REACTION HERE! THERE WILL BE SPOILERS!!!

[GreenDragon1133]

MMCJawa wrote:

Hama wrote:

MMCJawa wrote:

Chris Evans definitely wants out. RDJ seems to be okay with showing up, but only if you drive truckloads of money to his doorstep. Scarjo is actually getting a movie in Phase 4, so she seems likely to stick around

Hemsworth and Ruffalo seem to be open to future outings. No clue on anyone else, although I expect phase 4 will mostly focus on newer characters anyway

So he'll probably sacrifice himself in 4.

I think Tony and Cap are both in the long term going to be out of the MCU by close of Avengers 4. Maybe death, maybe something else (I heard at least one speculation that, since 4 is likely to involve Time Travel, Cap might go back in time to be with Peggy, although that has all sort of ramifications that makes my head hurt).

If he did so under an assumed name, and died prior to his resurrection, the only difference it would make is she doesn't marry Daniel Souza.

Though that brings up a good point. Peggy's brother died in WWII, prior to Peggy joining the SSR. Unless he married and got his wife pregnant before he left for the war, I'm a bit baffled at how Peggy has a niece.

[Dragon78]

I saw the movie this morning, it was good, but not great.

[GreenDragon1133]

It did have a lot of really good/great moments though. I suspect in the long term this will be seen as the Empire of Avengers, and 4 will be the Jedi.

[DeathQuaker]

Sara Marie wrote:

We've also got a thread full of spoilers here:

THE INFINITY WAR THREAD! ONCE YOU SEE THE MOVIE POST YOUR REACTION HERE! THERE WILL BE SPOILERS!!!

Thanks. I navigate the boards weird so I didn't see that.

Steve Time Travel and Agent Carter Tangent:

Re: her brother -- a, there's no reason he couldn't have had a kid during the war, and b, interviews have said the 3rd season of Agent Carter would have dealt with her brother more. It's very possible the "M. Carter" file that Jack found to (unsuccessfully) blackmail Peggy with was on Michael Carter, not Margaret, and could even indicate he is still alive (the Carter family got notice, but we never saw a body, and this is Marvel).

Cap going back in time could change everything. With him alive--while there still would be a push to try to make more super soldiers, the efforts would be lessened or different, which means a lot of superhero or villain making projects don't happen. The SSR was in danger of being shut down as an obsolete wartime project as it was, and Steve might have encouraged that happening because he hates how shady spy organizations are. And that means it's much less likely SHIELD is founded, especially since Cap is around to save the day. No SHIELD, lots of other stuff may not happen--and HYDRA infiltrates somewhere else (perhaps much more effectively that they can act much sooner than 2014)--no Pyms becoming heroes, no Avengers Initiative, etc. etc. etc. And if Howard needs saving, he may ask Cap to help, not Peggy, and Peggy's stuck slinging coffee for the rest of her job (and perhaps leaves everything, dissatisfied, and becomes a vigilante or something, with or without Steve's support). I'm not saying any of this is certain, but I am just trying to illustrate that his going back would not have a minimal effect on the timeline.

[ShinHakkaider]

DeathQuaker wrote:

Apropos of nothing, has anyone else had "The Rubberband Man" in their head for the rest of the weekend?

WOW. I seriously thought that I was the only one...

[GreenDragon1133]

Spoiler:

Cap, Tony, Bruce, Thor, Natasha, Clint, Scott, Hope, Carol, Nebula, Rocket.
Seems odd that Avengers 11 won't have Don Cheadle as Basher though.