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If I am going to go with a death pool on MCU characters, I am going to guess that in either this or the next, Tony Stark, Steve Rodgers, Nebula, and Loki all buy it in these movies.

I could see Tony and Steve, definitely, because of the actors contracts and stuff.

I would have thought that Thor was an option as well, except for the reaction to Thor: Ragnarok, which leads me to think that there will be more of that sort of whacky comedy hijinks in Thor's future.

Nebula and Loki? Eh. I'm not sure if anyone cares one way or another if Nebula dies, so it would be kind of wasted effort. (Although her dying to advance Gamora's story seems all-too possible.) I'm not sure that Marvel *wants* to kill Loki yet, although I do feel that his story is done (and has been for awhile now...).

I expect both Vision and Dr. Strange to survive the loss of their respective infinity stones (although Vision might well be critically damaged and need to be mostly rebuilt).

If the timing were different, and Ant-Man and the Wasp was debuting before Infinity War, I'd nominate Scott for a shocking death. Killing giant folk / massive creatures and having them crash to the ground is always good for dramatic impact. But, since his movie is set months after Infinity War, I guess he's bulletproof. For now...

Yeah...I would have said Thor except Ragnarok did so well. And I think that, versus the other actors, Chris Hemsworth hasn't had as successful a film career. So I think there is more a likelihood he is going to want to stick around. Honestly, he is a better comedic actor than a dramatic actor, which is why Ragnarok worked in part.

Dr Strange is definitely surviving...we need those 2 more movies out of him :P. Vision? I would imagine removing the mindstone would probably significantly depower him at least? but maybe survivable?

I am not even convinced that Antman is in this movie. They filmed both Avengers movies together was my understanding, so I think he might pop up in the later films?

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Peter Dinklage dyed His hair red the same time they were filming Infinity War.

Who in the Marvel universe has red hair and about His height?

It would be cool if He voices another character, too.


I'm pretty sure they can get him to do voice over/acting AND still do regular acting too.

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IIRC John Ryes Davies voiced Tree Beard as well as played Gimli in Lord of the Rings. So it has been done.

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CapeCodRPGer wrote:
IIRC John Ryes Davies voiced Tree Beard as well as played Gimli in Lord of the Rings. So it has been done.

Way back in The Ten Commandments Charlton Heston played both Moses and was the Voice of God.

Still room for an earlier example (not too much room since this pretty much requires "talkies") but I'm guessing that this is the earliest example from a big budget movie.


I loved his casting in X-Men Apocalypse as Bolivar Trask. No reason he couldn't appear as just anyone.
But I do admit, Pip is the safe bet, even though I don't know why you need another comic relief character in this overblown endeavour. It will be a hell of an exercise anyway to give anyone relevant Spotlight.

As to the death prognosis, unfortunately Cap is the prime candidate here. Tony I can see staying on as the new Nick Fury, but relegating Cap to a mentor role makes less sense. It also fits most with his persona AND will have the most Impact. He is everybodies moral cornerstone, so taking him out is basically a shot to the heart of the Avengers.


The only "primary" characters currently in play that we know for certain will survive are Black Panther (because $$), Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Spidey and the GotG (most of them at least) due to the pesky release schedule post-Infinity War.

I'd bank on at least Cap and Tony Stark getting planted, perhaps even Loki, Banner/the Hulk, Hawkeye and/or Black Widow as well, pretty close to fulfilling Stark's "worst-case scenario vision" via the Scarlet Witch in Age of Ultron.

Nick Fury and a slew of secondary characters could push up daisies from across the preceding trilogies as 'collateral damage'.

Depends on how much they wanted to rack up Thanos' body count...

I think they may be setting up Thor to fully assume Odin's mantle as King of Asgard-on-Earth in Norway. All he is missing is a bit more wisdom, the two ravens, the bad-a$$ horse and a new weapon. Perhaps post-Infinity War the role of mentor/sponsor is divided between Black Panther and Thor?


Chris 2 has confirmed

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that he is done after Avengers 4.

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Nick Fury and a slew of secondary characters could push up daisies from across the preceding trilogies as 'collateral damage'.

Black Panther seemed to be setting up Bilbo Ross as 'the new Nick Fury' character, although I suppose it will be up to the Captain Marvel movie, about a pilot who works for the military, set in the years in which the Black Panther movie said that Ross was working as a military pilot, to see if that's a deliberate connective thread or just a funky coincidence.

So, yeah, they've already got a replacement Nick Fury lined up.

That's kind of the direction I'm coming from, when I think of who can stay or go. There are already multiple Captain America-adjacent characters sitting on he launch pad (Winter Soldier, Falcon, Sharon Carter), and even a few from Thor (Valkyrie, Heimdall, Sif, if the actress ever becomes available again), but not as much from Iron Man. I'm less sure that Rhodey, in particular, can fill that role. His character doesn't really work the tech, so much as just fill out a suit, and he's not quite as dynamic a personality. (To be fair, this is Stark we're talking about, nobody is!)

Without Cap or Thor, the team could go on, IMO. Without Stark, there's going to be a bigger hole, and I'm not seeing who could fill that. Spider-Man, stepping up to be more of a tech-guy, and (at least in the comics) already quippy and irreverent by nature, would be a crazy choice.

That all said, it's as easy as writing a line to change something. Rhodey could display some technical expertise in his next appearance and when someone (probably Natasha) raises an eyebrow, he could explain it away as, "I had a lot of time to sit on my ass, this year, so I picked up a book" or "The Army didn't hire someone who didn't understand a work Stark was saying to liaise with him" or "I'm not gonna fly it if I don't know what's under the hood." and bang, he's the new tech-guy.


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The Mad Comrade wrote:
Nick Fury and a slew of secondary characters could push up daisies from across the preceding trilogies as 'collateral damage'.

Black Panther seemed to be setting up Bilbo Ross as 'the new Nick Fury' character, although I suppose it will be up to the Captain Marvel movie, about a pilot who works for the military, set in the years in which the Black Panther movie said that Ross was working as a military pilot, to see if that's a deliberate connective thread or just a funky coincidence.

So, yeah, they've already got a replacement Nick Fury lined up.

That's kind of the direction I'm coming from, when I think of who can stay or go. There are already multiple Captain America-adjacent characters sitting on he launch pad (Winter Soldier, Falcon, Sharon Carter), and even a few from Thor (Valkyrie, Heimdall, Sif, if the actress ever becomes available again), but not as much from Iron Man. I'm less sure that Rhodey, in particular, can fill that role. His character doesn't really work the tech, so much as just fill out a suit, and he's not quite as dynamic a personality. (To be fair, this is Stark we're talking about, nobody is!)

Without Cap or Thor, the team could go on, IMO. Without Stark, there's going to be a bigger hole, and I'm not seeing who could fill that. Spider-Man, stepping up to be more of a tech-guy, and (at least in the comics) already quippy and irreverent by nature, would be a crazy choice.

That all said, it's as easy as writing a line to change something. Rhodey could display some technical expertise in his next appearance and when someone (probably Natasha) raises an eyebrow, he could explain it away as, "I had a lot of time to sit on my ass, this year, so I picked up a book" or "The Army didn't hire someone who didn't understand a work Stark was saying to liaise with him" or "I'm not gonna fly it if I don't know what's under the hood." and bang, he's the new tech-guy.

I kind of hope they don't kill anyone. It's a cheap way to build drama. It's even more annoying when done for actor contract reasons.

If they do kill Stark and need someone for the tech, use Shuri - she's established as the genius. Don't try to promote someone like Rhodes to that level with some lame justification.


Wakanda's Shuri as the 'tech guru' would be awesome.
Spidey's no slouch - he merely lacks the resources. It seems clear that he is not on par with Shuri and Stark, even if he does have Friday's help.

There is the possibility of the 'kid' from Iron Man 3 coming into the picture, quite possibility as Stark's direct heir and the new Iron Man. That character struck me as being on par with Stark.

Chris Evans had all but asked for it re: getting killed off in the years leading up to the Infinity War. He seemed to change his tune not long before principle photography began on Infinity War, but I'm thinking that the response was along the lines of 'that ship sailed a while back, buck-o'.

As far as other characters getting killed off, I hope that their deaths are cooler than some of the lamer death scenes we've had. Baron Zemo suddenly being dead off-camera in Avengers 2 comes readily to mind as the most obvious example.

The oldest 'hero' characters in terms of familiarity are Cap, Stark, Fury, Rhodes/War Machine and the Hulk/Banner. Thanos has been built up as a major bad-ass. This has to be delivered on-screen in concrete terms, not merely by slaughtering nameless hordes...


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Baron Zemo isn't dead or did you Baron Strucker?


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RDJr is getting expensive for Marvel/Disney, so retiring Stark would be a good way to go. If he dies, he could still live on as an AI. Marvel Comics already has a new suit builder & wearer ready to go for the movies: Riri Williams aka Ironheart. It would allow them to continue the Iron Man franchise, and Don Cheedle could play a big role as Riri's mentor and/or foil. Williams also doesn't have Stark's womanizing, sexist, alcoholic, war-mongering past either.

And if Cheedle isn't available or wants out,

mild Infinity War spoiler:
One of the late night hosts (Kimmel?) got Gwyneth Paltrow to admit she was wearing a motion capture suit for A:IW, so I'm guessing she may be in the Rescue armor. Potts/Rescue could also mentor Williams/Ironheart.

The Mad Comrade wrote:
I think they may be setting up Thor to fully assume Odin's mantle as King of Asgard-on-Earth in Norway. All he is missing is a bit more wisdom, the two ravens, the bad-a$$ horse and a new weapon.

Well, if they stick to the myths, Loki* could help provide the horse. :)

* Actually, I think Loki dies trying to stop Thanos or trying to save Thor and/or the Asgardian survivors. I also think EvansCap dies at the end of A:IW in an all-out mano-a-mano with Thanos, with his Avengers 4 scenes being flashbacks. Stark also dies/retires at the end of A4.

Edit: Although, if I really wanted to drive home that Thanos was an evil bad-ass, I'd have him indiscriminately kill Stan Lee and Joss Whedon as innocent bystanders.


Dragon78 wrote:
Baron Zemo isn't dead or did you Baron Strucker?

Strucker, apparently. I like the actor so seeing his character tally a lame death sucked an egg for me.


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Edit: Although, if I really wanted to drive home that Thanos was an evil bad-ass, I'd have him indiscriminately kill Stan Lee and Joss Whedon as innocent bystanders.

That ... would ... be ... worth it!


Only person not showing up in the cast list is Agent 13... even Peter Dinklage is in the credits, for what role I don't know. Great googly-moogly that is a gigantic cast list.


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Set wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:
Nick Fury and a slew of secondary characters could push up daisies from across the preceding trilogies as 'collateral damage'.

Black Panther seemed to be setting up Bilbo Ross as 'the new Nick Fury' character, although I suppose it will be up to the Captain Marvel movie, about a pilot who works for the military, set in the years in which the Black Panther movie said that Ross was working as a military pilot, to see if that's a deliberate connective thread or just a funky coincidence.

So, yeah, they've already got a replacement Nick Fury lined up.

That's kind of the direction I'm coming from, when I think of who can stay or go. There are already multiple Captain America-adjacent characters sitting on he launch pad (Winter Soldier, Falcon, Sharon Carter), and even a few from Thor (Valkyrie, Heimdall, Sif, if the actress ever becomes available again), but not as much from Iron Man. I'm less sure that Rhodey, in particular, can fill that role. His character doesn't really work the tech, so much as just fill out a suit, and he's not quite as dynamic a personality. (To be fair, this is Stark we're talking about, nobody is!)

Without Cap or Thor, the team could go on, IMO. Without Stark, there's going to be a bigger hole, and I'm not seeing who could fill that. Spider-Man, stepping up to be more of a tech-guy, and (at least in the comics) already quippy and irreverent by nature, would be a crazy choice.

That all said, it's as easy as writing a line to change something. Rhodey could display some technical expertise in his next appearance and when someone (probably Natasha) raises an eyebrow, he could explain it away as, "I had a lot of time to sit on my ass, this year, so I picked up a book" or "The Army didn't hire someone who didn't understand a work Stark was saying to liaise with him" or "I'm not gonna fly it if I don't know what's under the hood." and bang, he's the new tech-guy.

I kind of hope they don't kill anyone. It's a...

Fiege and the Russo Brothers have been hinting for a while that not everyone makes it out of INFINITY WAR. It's entirely possible that people don't die but get trapped in time or winked out of existence (which can be retconned later) but you can be pretty sure that a few members of the cast won't be back after INFINITY WAR or AVENGERS 4.


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Also I'm bracing myself for Cap's demise and if he goes I'm probably still going to be weeping like a small child. He's my favorite MCU character and as long as he goes out like the hero he is I guess that I'll be alright.

*NO I REALLY WONT*


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ShinHakkaider wrote:

Also I'm bracing myself for Cap's demise and if he goes I'm probably still going to be weeping like a small child. He's my favorite MCU character and as long as he goes out like the hero he is I guess that I'll be alright.

*NO I REALLY WONT*

Figuring I'll scream "you sonnovabiatch!!" aloud at the screen if/when that happens. Then weep in the car outside.

Lurvs me some Cap.


ShinHakkaider wrote:
Fiege and the Russo Brothers have been hinting for a while that not everyone makes it out of INFINITY WAR. It's entirely possible that people don't die but get trapped in time or winked out of existence (which can be retconned later) but you can be pretty sure that a few members of the cast won't be back after INFINITY WAR or AVENGERS 4.

The Red Skull and the Vulture are (to my knowledge) the only MCU villains to not meet a messy demise. The Red Skull, to Hugo Weaving's credit, could be a lot of fun to see resurface given the nature of his exit.


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The Mad Comrade wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:

Also I'm bracing myself for Cap's demise and if he goes I'm probably still going to be weeping like a small child. He's my favorite MCU character and as long as he goes out like the hero he is I guess that I'll be alright.

*NO I REALLY WONT*

Figuring I'll scream "you sonnovabiatch!!" aloud at the screen if/when that happens. Then weep in the car outside.

Lurvs me some Cap.

Yeah, Chris Evans' acting has embodied the very best of Captain America. I really like Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan, but either of them would have a pair of very big red boots to fill as MCU Cap.


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Trufax- Cap went from being my least favorite of the Avengers' Big Three (Cap/Thor/Iron Man) to my hands-down favorite.


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The Mad Comrade wrote:
The Red Skull and the Vulture are (to my knowledge) the only MCU villains to not meet a messy demise. The Red Skull, to Hugo Weaving's credit, could be a lot of fun to see resurface given the nature of his exit.

Abomination is locked up.

We saw no body for Ultron.
Batroc's alive (for all you Batroc fans!)
Zemo's alive.


Cole Deschain wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:
The Red Skull and the Vulture are (to my knowledge) the only MCU villains to not meet a messy demise. The Red Skull, to Hugo Weaving's credit, could be a lot of fun to see resurface given the nature of his exit.

Abomination is locked up.

We saw no body for Ultron.
Batroc's alive (for all you Batroc fans!)
Zemo's alive.

Hrm ... I'd completely forgotten about Abomination and had not considered Batroc or Zemo as significant adversaries.

Vision used an infinity stone-powered disintegrate on Ultron as far as we are aware ... so Ultron is safely counted as permadeath'd unless some seed of Ultron lurks in Vision's android innards...


The Mad Comrade wrote:
Cole Deschain wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:
The Red Skull and the Vulture are (to my knowledge) the only MCU villains to not meet a messy demise. The Red Skull, to Hugo Weaving's credit, could be a lot of fun to see resurface given the nature of his exit.

Abomination is locked up.

We saw no body for Ultron.
Batroc's alive (for all you Batroc fans!)
Zemo's alive.

Hrm ... I'd completely forgotten about Abomination and had not considered Batroc or Zemo as significant adversaries.

Vision used an infinity stone-powered disintegrate on Ultron as far as we are aware ... so Ultron is safely counted as permadeath'd unless some seed of Ultron lurks in Vision's android innards...

Or if he stored a backup copy elsewhere.

It's always possible to bring Ultron back, if they want to.

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The Mad Comrade wrote:
Vision used an infinity stone-powered disintegrate on Ultron as far as we are aware ... so Ultron is safely counted as permadeath'd unless some seed of Ultron lurks in Vision's android innards...

Or at least one of the lesser Ulronbots snuck off before the Avengers finished destroying them all, if they really want to bring him back.

But yeah, also Batroc! Of all the things I never thought I'd see in my lifetime is an awesome comic-book movie in which Batroc ze Leepair! is a total badass...

I was disappointed that they didn't keep the possibility of Klaw around, he was getting pretty fun.


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Klaw was a lot of fun. Batroc was a cruel tease ... I don't know if he'll resurface unless he is a nemesis for newer, low-powered MCU heroes, which could be pretty cool.

Ultron - given the above points - is a villain that can keep on giving. Be fun if they tease a 'rebirth' scene during the next 2 Avengers films, for example.


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Klaw is EASY to bring back. When he died, his "essence" went into a piece of vibranium and he became a sound construct.


Cole Deschain wrote:
Trufax- Cap went from being my least favorite of the Avengers' Big Three (Cap/Thor/Iron Man) to my hands-down favorite.

Cap, Hawkeye, Falcon. I'd like to rate Wanda and Natasha higher, but they haven't gotten as much screen time.

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The Mad Comrade wrote:
Ultron - given the above points - is a villain that can keep on giving. Be fun if they tease a 'rebirth' scene during the next 2 Avengers films, for example.

Bits and pieces of Ultron are even showing up in other films. The Shockers in Spider-Man tried to sell Donald Glover a “reclaimed sub-Ultron arm straight from Sokovia”.

What if somebody (The Tinkerer?) gets their hands on an Ultron brain and accidentally wakes Ultron up by messing with it?


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Hrm ... I'd completely forgotten about Abomination and had not considered Batroc or Zemo as significant adversaries.

...

Zemo might be the Marvel villain who punches most above his weight class... he wasn't really a match for any of his superheroic foes on a physical level... and he still got what he wanted, more or less.

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We saw no body for Ultron.

Even if we had, that means nothing, given that it's Ultron.


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Speaking of Potts, I liked the "Mandarin Treatment" in Iron Man 3 ... mayhap the kernel of it lurks in Stark and/or Potts to save character bacon in the Infinity War?


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Zemo punches above his weight class using his BRAIN, never his fists. That's why he's such a dangerous guy. He doesn't need super human powers to fight the Avengers, he just need tactical advantage and superior forces.


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Just realized that (Baron) Zemo is the antagonist in CA:Civil War (never did remember the character's name).

I can't get the scene in Age of Ultron to pause just right ... but it seems that he has an uncredited appearance, tossing a flask of acid into the head of one of the Iron Legion in the early part of the film. Am I hallucinating?


Mad,

You were imagining it. Zemo was out of the country when the Iron Legion was there. I'm pretty sure...


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Mad,

You were imagining it. Zemo was out of the country when the Iron Legion was there. I'm pretty sure...

I can't shake the image though, as if they originally had one concept/idea in mind when filming Age of Ultron, going with a different approach when it came time to produce Civil War.


Sort of like the concept for Thor 3 that bears no relationship to Thor:Ragnarok?


GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Sort of like the concept for Thor 3 that bears no relationship to Thor:Ragnarok?

There was a different concept? I had no idea.


In AoU he left because of the Infinity Gems as it relates to Heimdall being blinded and Asgard falling. But the gems have nothing to do with the movie (outside of one line in the opening to fix the continuity issue).


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Well, that, and

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Asgard falling went from, "the worst thing ever, how do I stop it?" to "a totally necessary outcome to keep Hela from conquering the known universe."


That part made for a good plot twist. But it didn't fit with the visions in the cave. The visions that HAD to be there or else the actually plot relevant Hawk-eye's farm scenes had to go.

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Rather worried about Stan Lee, his elder abuse troubles and his illness makes me tense.


MannyGoblin wrote:
Rather worried about Stan Lee, his elder abuse troubles and his illness makes me tense.

Elder abuse ... come again?! Maybe he gets a "killed off" cameo ...


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Jeebus. Stan Lee definitely needs a superheroic intervention before his brat kills him, directly or indirectly. :(


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It's why it made the top 7 Gorathonv2.

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My NO Spoiler Review

The weather in New York is barley past the end of Winter but there is no mistaking this is a Summer blockbuster.

From the opening scene to end credits we are treated to the high stakes action and emotional rollercoaster ride that can only come from a decade long investment in world building and character development set for us in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

No bathroom break sequences in this one.

The pairings of the characters are well done, and for me it’s Tony Stark and Dr. Strange for the winning magical combo but Thor and the Guardians give them a run for the money.

The humor is genuine and never forced on us, and rather quite welcome as we gasp for air amid the sea of heroic scenes pulled out of the comic books of my youth.

Now let’s talk about the Titan in the room, Thanos. Josh Brolin NAILS Thanos, he really does.

Do you know how Darth Vader comes into his own in The Empire Strikes Back? Well here Brolin fills in Thanos gauntlet and shoes and then some. The man has come a LONG way since his portrayal in The Goonies. This is every bit a Thanos movie as it is an Avengers movie.

As a brief side note, I like how they use Peter Parker, Spider-Man, as our surrogate in the movie, he is us, the comic book fans and the viewers, on the screen with our heroes.

I do want to say that the structure of this movie is different than other super hero movies, and I am sure the end will have many people talking.

(In my screening there was only one post credit scene.)

This is a crazily fun super hero film, I’ll see it at least two more times on the big screen.

Now is it a great film? I feel it is the BEST possible payoff after a decade’s long buildup leading to it.

But hey, no matter what I say, you guys are going to see it anyways right ?

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