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Does a Kineticist wearing a Ring of Sustenance only need 2 hours of sleep to recover all of their burn?
That should be the case. Specifically:
its wearer needs only sleep 2 hours per day to gain the benefit of 8 hours of sleep.
A full night’s rest removes all burn and
all associated nonlethal damage.
With a full night's rest (8 hours of sleep or more)
Spellcasters have a separate clause that indicated once per day on refreshing spells.
I would suppose that a GM would likely start saying that you're not tired enough to sleep if you tried to do it multiple times per day.
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This kind of thing always comes up when new classes are presented.
Recovery is well established as happening once per day, perhaps twice in a single 24 hour period if you have the right resources on hand. MAYBE more if you really try, but that getting cheesy. This standard should be maintained.
I would consider the Kinetecist a spellcaster for the purposes of the ring (even though they aren't, technically).
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My asking this was two-fold.
To first, see if there was another interpretation, and second, to bring it to the attention of the developers, since one of the points of a playtest is to weed out corner cases.
I think this ring will be one of those "must have" items for every Kineticist, if language is not included in the class itself that clarifies "you may only recover burn through rest once per day", or something to that effect.
If it exists for them, then it exists for bardic performance and rounds of rage, doesn't it? I know rounds of rage at least are recovered after eight hours of rest.
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Recovery is well established as happening once per day, perhaps twice in a single 24 hour period if you have the right resources on hand. MAYBE more if you really try, but that getting cheesy. This standard should be maintained.
I was intrigued reading this. I played 3.5 before Pathfinder and I don't recall this actually being stated in either system. Practically it's difficult to rest more than 8 hours a day, let alone 16 (two "rest cycles"), so I've just always figured that to be the limiting factor.
In either system, is it stated anywhere that you can only "rest" once every 24 hours?
I would consider the Kinetecist a spellcaster for the purposes of the ring (even though they aren't, technically).
The actual restriction is this:
this does not allow a spellcaster to prepare spells more than once per day.
Which, as you pointed out, the Kineticist isn't a spellcaster. But, even if it was, the targeted benefit is the recovery of burn anyways.
That should be the case. Specifically:
its wearer needs only sleep 2 hours per day to gain the benefit of 8 hours of sleep.A full night’s rest removes all burn and
all associated nonlethal damage.With a full night's rest (8 hours of sleep or more)
Based on this, the Ring would work wonderfully. You gain the "benefit" of 8 hours of sleep. Part of the "benefit" 8 hours of sleep (Ie: a full night's rest) gives to a Kineticist is the removal of all burn and non-lethal damage.
Canonically, the rules support the Ring.
However, as someone that loves his sleep, I wouldn't support it being used to take 2 hour naps through the day to regain powers. Just for nights where you need to take a watch or are in hostile territory which may prevent a full night's sleep. :P
I suspect you can only get the benefit of one night's rest in one 24 hour period, no matter how it is obtained.
That's true, for reasons including Rhatahema's solid evidence. People with a RoS can't rest for 2 hours 12 times and recover 12x their level in hit points and 12 ability damage, after all.
Thanks, Mark!
Will there be language added to the Kineticist that clarifies they can't recover their burn more than once a day?
I just see it being one of those future questions that clutters up the Rules Forum otherwise.
I don't think it needs to take any of my wordcount, when an attempt to recover multiple times a day like that would already violate the number of hp and ability damage you can recover in a day. Seems easier to just tell people or make a CRB FAQ for all attempts to rest more than once a day.
But, but, what about all the narcoleptic kineticists out there?