Is this too racy for a Pathfinder Character?


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Pendagast wrote:

I also am amused by women's quest for equality.

on one hand they request/demand equality but on the other hand a mans chest is ok to be bare and if there is a woman topless anywhere it's an immediate offense?
I do not find this equal.

I'm amused by people who will judge an entire gender based on the sensibilities of a few.


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Umbral Reaver wrote:

Update:

I showed it to the group. Responses:

"What the hell? You dress like a whore!"

"That's rather... boobalicious, don't you think?"

"Uh... maybe you could just use Heromachine."

That sucks. They could definitely get out more. Do you play with cloistered nuns?


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I think it's perfectly fine myself, i hope you get to enjoy the character concept/image in actual play.

Group response is a bit surprising, she instills a more attractive/tough combo then a 'omgwhore' impression to me.


yea, Id definitely go with the whole Conan thing.

Just play a bare chested male character and see what they say (probably nothing)

Just call your Character "Gratuitous Pecs" (Peck for short) and tun with it for humor.

OR conversely have one of THEM find you a decent oni chick pic, y'know since there are so many better ones out there?


Umbral Reaver wrote:

Update:

I showed it to the group. Responses:

"What the hell? You dress like a whore!"

"That's rather... boobalicious, don't you think?"

"Uh... maybe you could just use Heromachine."

Oh my. And people are treating me like a prude for just insisting on having a top on and not being posed sexually.

He has the strangest ideas about what whores wear. I mean the worst you could call it is "booth babe" But since this IS fantasy and she isn't presented sexually I don't see the issue.

You did show them the blue one with the Hide skirt and shoulders right? NOT the original in the thong bikini... right?


I found a miniature to use for the character and it's much more modestly dressed than the image.

Oni Miniature

(Of course, I'd paint mine blue.)

Silver Crusade

I think your version is fine; the players in your local group seem to consider the female body inherently sexual and shameful and you shouldn't worry about that. The only thing I'd make sure of is getting the artist's permission to modify and re-publish the original artwork.

Grand Lodge

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Be sure to note how none of the other players can have male PCs with exposed chests or midriffs.

Demand it.

Equal censorship amongst the sexes.


I could go either way on it. I'm not offended by it, but it's also not something I'd choose. Emphasizes the sexuality more than I'd prefer. Fine if that's what the character would want to do, but not for the usual adventurer.
Maybe if it was supposed to be hot climate lost in the jungle improvised wear, but not for everyday more civilized adventuring.

If nothing else, strap those things down. Running or doing anything physical would be painful. I don't think Golarion has sports bras yet. )

Sovereign Court

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Nothing wrong with that.

Grand Lodge

She's a lot better clothed than some of the PC's I've partied with, so I'd say go for it. Besides, it's comforting that you found a hell of a strong looking character that I consider to be very confident with how she deals with things, and that's just from looks. Also, make them squirm with how she can act as an Inquisitor... So she dresses like a barbarian woman; maybe that's how her people/tribe/society dress!


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The line between cool and silly is a rather blurry one. It's not WRONG to find the stripperific nature of fantasy art to be silly and have the opinion that more "rational" outfits actually look better.

Liberty's Edge

I did once use the cover of a romance novel for women as my character portrait and my group was made uncomfortable by it. I considered it a test of double standards and it proved to me my friends aren't sexist, just prudes. Some people are like that and its totally okay to be that way, sex and sexuality is an important thing associated with some of the most powerful forces in the world, the creation of life and the spreading of disease. Sex in itself is a powerful force too as it influences the behavior and views of most of the human race, its definitely something to think about how much exposure you want to it and its okay to decide you don't want to see provocative images.
Edit: To be clear the covers of romance novels targeted at women usually have men on the cover, this wasn't one of a woman in her half-ripped dress about to be ravished by a pirate prince, it was a picture of the half-naked pirate prince.

Personally though i roll my eyes every time i look at Paizo art because of how hypocritical they are, filling the books with half-naked people that are in just the right pose to cover their bits, its hypocrisy to try and sell your books with sex and then cover up the body like its shameful! Be a "prude" or be "liberated", don't try and market to horny young men with soft porn in your murder simulator and then cover up all the nipples to try and sell it to children.


I can't see the OP's image... Now I'm curious. :(

Grand Lodge

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blackbloodtroll wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
The original, here, is SFW.
Barely, and even then I'm not sure if that counts as SFW.

By which standards?

Have you been to, well, any beach?

I wear less than that.

And do you frequently fight monsters to the death while wearing your swimwear?

That's the problem with boobplate, bikini chainmail, and simmilar armor treatment. A character dressed like that should be clawed to ribbons in their first fight.


LazarX wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
The original, here, is SFW.
Barely, and even then I'm not sure if that counts as SFW.

By which standards?

Have you been to, well, any beach?

I wear less than that.

And do you frequently fight monsters to the death while wearing your swimwear?

That's the problem with boobplate, bikini chainmail, and similar armor treatment. A character dressed like that should be clawed to ribbons in their first fight.

Well, some characters don't wear or need armor for various reasons.

But yes, designing armor that strategically leaves vital areas exposed is silly. And even for those that choose not to wear armor, more practical outfits than swimwear are usually better for adventuring. Even for a caster, tromping through the woods and crawling into caves might call for pants instead of a thong.

Liberty's Edge

Lazar the discussion you quoted was about whether it was suitable for work not whether it was suitable for adventuring. Honestly for a mid to high level adventurer armor isn't quite as big an issue because they are unstoppable paragons of strength and skill. Choosing not to wear armor is often because they don't need it.

Its ridiculous to compare the boobplate to the chainmail bikini as well, the boobplate provides a minor flaw in that a small number of hits that were capable of piercing your armor already will be pushed towards the center of your chest away from your heart and lungs instead of going where it was intended whilst the chainmail bikini just doesn't protect 95% of your body.
Honestly i will never understand the argument against boobplate, angled armor is a good thing and directing blows to where a thick bone and a distinct lack of vital organs that are so common in that region of the body is also a good thing, it might mean you only get taken out of the fight and bleed to death rather than instantly die.

Grand Lodge

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Emperor Point wrote:

Lazar the discussion you quoted was about whether it was suitable for work not whether it was suitable for adventuring. Honestly for a mid to high level adventurer armor isn't quite as big an issue because they are unstoppable paragons of strength and skill. Choosing not to wear armor is often because they don't need it.

Its ridiculous to compare the boobplate to the chainmail bikini as well, the boobplate provides a minor flaw in that a small number of hits that were capable of piercing your armor already will be pushed towards the center of your chest away from your heart and lungs instead of going where it was intended whilst the chainmail bikini just doesn't protect 95% of your body.
Honestly i will never understand the argument against boobplate, angled armor is a good thing and directing blows to where a thick bone and a distinct lack of vital organs that are so common in that region of the body is also a good thing, it might mean you only get taken out of the fight and bleed to death rather than instantly die.

I'll let Emily Asher-Perrin answer for me.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you


LazarX wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
The original, here, is SFW.
Barely, and even then I'm not sure if that counts as SFW.

By which standards?

Have you been to, well, any beach?

I wear less than that.

And do you frequently fight monsters to the death while wearing your swimwear?

That's the problem with boobplate, bikini chainmail, and simmilar armor treatment. A character dressed like that should be clawed to ribbons in their first fight.

And leather armor shouldn't help at all against the Giant's cleaver or the Tarrasque's bite... But there it is... Making you 20% less likely to be hit.

That's the problem with selective realism... It's inconsistent and what constitutes an acceptable break form reality is a matter of opinion. If a player wants to be play an attractive character in a skimpy outfit, that's no more wrong than playing an average-looking character in full plate.

(And no one fights monsters to the death while donning full plate (or any other type of clothing/armor) either. There are no monsters to be fought. Unless you are using the word "monster" as "human being with poor morality" or "scary-looking animal").


I wish there was a downvote option


Torger Miltenberger wrote:


As to "boobalicious" yes, some women have large breasts... and? By my admittedly poor understanding of anatomy the size does seem unlikely given the rest of the well defined musculature but whatever, we're not even dealing with a human, all anatomical bets are off.

- Torger

Actually I'm fairly certain there is a particular group of muscles that, if worked and developed disproportionately to others, grants a slight increase to bust size for women.


Lots of progressive attitudes and getting along in this thread. I like it.

Grand Lodge

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Pendagast wrote:

yea, Id definitely go with the whole Conan thing.

Just play a bare chested male character and see what they say (probably nothing)

Just call your Character "Gratuitous Pecs" (Peck for short) and tun with it for humor.

OR conversely have one of THEM find you a decent oni chick pic, y'know since there are so many better ones out there?

You do know that bare-chested Conan was a Marvel/Franzetta creation? In the Howard books he did wear chain mail, especially during his period as King of Aquillonia. And given that Cimmeria is not described as a tropical paradise, he probably would have worn leathers and hide before then.

The thing is men show off their chests to parade how macho they are. Women in bikini armor are generally drawn by male artists as objects of desire. Let me try a more modern example. Do you really think Captain Kirk getting his shirt ripped off in every other Trek episode is really in the same vein all those scantily clad women he chased? If you can't see the inherent difference in these two approaches, there is no reasoning with you.


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Pendagast wrote:

Aside from lance or bow, what was the most common way for a knight to die in battle?

Flailing about on his back, overweighed in armor while commoners wiggled thin blades between the seams in his armor.

This can be our historical Myth of the Day.


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Pendagast wrote:
Armor became unpopular for combat BEFORE widespread firearms.

Oops, I spoke too soon, here's another one.


LazarX wrote:
Pendagast wrote:

yea, Id definitely go with the whole Conan thing.

Just play a bare chested male character and see what they say (probably nothing)

Just call your Character "Gratuitous Pecs" (Peck for short) and tun with it for humor.

OR conversely have one of THEM find you a decent oni chick pic, y'know since there are so many better ones out there?

You do know that bare-chested Conan was a Marvel/Franzetta creation? In the Howard books he did wear chain mail, especially during his period as King of Aquilonia. And given that Cimmeria is not described as a tropical paradise, he probably would have worn leathers and hide before then.

Also that he traveled widely. Probably didn't wear a lot of armor during his period as a thief or a pirate. Often he didn't have time to equip himself properly, starting many of his adventures on the run, shipwrecked or with some other disaster.

And anyway, why are we basing our discussion of what's proper for anyone to wear adventuring on stories written in the '30s and art from the '60s and '70s?
It's not like attitudes haven't changed since then.

Liberty's Edge

That article made two points Lazar, one was that it slides blows inwards which as i already discussed is certainly much better than hitting the parts they are sliding away FROM. You have to hit the inside of the boob to make it slide inwards which means either the heart or a lung, not a good thing to lose compared to a flesh wound and a shattered ribcage. Certainly the point about the indentation could be a risk for poorly designed armor, but with even a small amount of width the indentation becomes a negligible threat and the force is still going to be pushed to multiple parts of the plate and the force would spread throughout your torso. The only armor that would be at real risk of causing this are poorly fitted breastplates with very large breast plates.

Even if this were an issue though raising the divet slightly totally negates it.

Edit: Another thought, as the padding means one's breasts are basically tied down and probably not actually in those stupid giant metal spheres, aren't they good protection against maces and other blunt weapons? I think the men need to start wearing boob plate. With ten boobs!

Grand Lodge

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I am not attacking any specific person.

I am, however, attacking the culture and social norms, amongst many communities, that would create a situation, where this question needed to be asked.

I am attacking the idea, that this question need only be asked, with a female PC.

For me, this situation culminates our selective censorship, sexual inequality, body shaming, and the destruction of artistic freedom.

I personally draw all my own PCs, and this subject touches me personally.


Umbral Reaver wrote:

I found a miniature to use for the character and it's much more modestly dressed than the image.

Oni Miniature

(Of course, I'd paint mine blue.)

Sounds like this thread is happily resolved, then?

Liberty's Edge

Coriat wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:

I found a miniature to use for the character and it's much more modestly dressed than the image.

Oni Miniature

(Of course, I'd paint mine blue.)

Sounds like this thread is happily resolved, then?

For one person it is over but for the world it is merely beginning! The streets will run red with dye! Society will be torn apart at the seams! Fashion as we know it will come to an end!

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Removed a few baiting posts and the replies to them. Whether you're being sarcastic or not, alluding to terrorist groups or rape in the Advice forum is wholly inappropriate. It seems like the original poster has gotten an answer, so we'll go ahead and lock up this one. If you'd like to continue discussing artwork in gaming, the Gamer Talk forum might be a better idea.

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