Is this too racy for a Pathfinder Character?


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So, I'm making an oni-spawn tiefling to be the party's beatstick.

It's hard to find good female oni art that is actually wearing clothes.

I found and recoloured (from red oni to blue oni) this piece, which is high in quality but shows off quite a bit. I'm actually quite sexually oblivious, so sometimes I have no idea that I'm looking at a piece of fetish art until someone points out what I've missed.

Would you cringe at seeing an oni-spawn tiefling looking like that in your Pathfinder game?

Addendum: I don't know who the original artist is. I found it wandering around the internet looking for oni art. Apparently it has already gone through a few edits before I got my hands on it, maybe?

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No, that's not bad at all. Pretty, wearing typical barbarian-esque fare, might get the occasional dirty look from old women in villages and nobles but not unusual for an adventurer.


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While it is sexy, it's one of the least sexist female character pics I've seen in a long time.


So I did some reverse image searching. I found the original.

It's probably not SFW. I won't link it here.

The base I found was already heavily edited to actually be wearing more than a few scraps.

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It is no more revealing than Seoni, the iconic Sorcerer.

What kind of prudes do you play with?

Is it for PFS? I ask, because they are not that prudish either.

The original, here, is SFW.


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Pupsocket wrote:
While it is sexy, it's one of the least sexist female character pics I've seen in a long time.

Well, ignoring Umbral Reaver's...revelations... I would generally agree. The character had decent musculature (defined abs, the forearms and biceps have decent tone despite the wrappings). She has a nongeneric 'sexy face', instead she had scars, tusks, and a clear cheekbone.

Her stance is not eschergirls worthy (ie- impossible for human spines; somehow getting both the chest and bum into the same shot, etc)), and in fact it is even conveying a sense of strength. She is at ease while carrying around 50 lbs clubs.

THESE clothes, in the image Umbral Reaver originally found, they are fairly basic barbarian fare, with a bra thrown in for modesty and support to the usual shirtless barbarian get up (I could see a broader shouldered version of this). So not too bad (it can be worse- her skirt could be too short and her chest could look perpetually...'cold'...).

Overall, I would say it is fairly good. Umbral Reaver, if you are still comfortable with the 1st version you found after... the more candid version, then it seems perfectly fine. So just remember- everything is fetish art on the internet. EVERYTHING. So don't worry too much about it as long as the one you are using has no major problems.

EDIT- saw the original. Mostly thought 'oh, the legs are well muscled too'. The lower half...yeah, grab a skirt honey. Which she did. Plus a skin job, and a trip to the dentist. Anyway, the original still seems serviceable if you just cut off the bottom half.


I like the blue redone artwork, but if you really want to make the character yours you should take that and adjust it further. What blackbloodtroll said is true about Seoni, though I've always been of the opinion at least martial characters should take care to cover their midriff (of course, Amiri would disagree with me). But it's certainly not overbearingly sexy like too many fantasy women tend to be. I'd be happy to allow that in any of my games.

Take some time to decide how your character might look differently, and maybe if you know an artist or are willing to put out a commission someone could do some work for you.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
The original, here, is SFW.

Barely, and even then I'm not sure if that counts as SFW.

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Whose game is this?

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Umbral Reaver wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
The original, here, is SFW.
Barely, and even then I'm not sure if that counts as SFW.

By which standards?

Have you been to, well, any beach?

I wear less than that.


Do we have the same definition of SFW? I thought it meant 'safe to be caught viewing at work' or something.

Also, it's a local game.


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blackbloodtroll wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
The original, here, is SFW.
Barely, and even then I'm not sure if that counts as SFW.

By which standards?

Have you been to, well, any beach?

I wear less than that.

That escalated quickly and got real interesting.

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Okay.

Can you watch the Olympics at work?

I ask, because this is what Olympic swimmers wear.

Maybe because it's female?

Is there a different level for men and women?


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blackbloodtroll wrote:

Okay.

Can you watch the Olympics at work?

I ask, because this is what Olympic swimmers wear.

Maybe because it's female?

Is there a different level for men and women?

Because it is string micro mostly, I would presume. And I would be offended if the Olympics had that tight a banana hammock.

Also, I am not an expert on underwear, but I vaguely remember that thongs designed to rest that high on the hip are also problematic as well (although that might be a 'seen when wearing pants'...which is not a problem here, I suppose. )

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What of the Classic Conan, who wears but a belt, boots, and a lioncloth.

Do you bat an eye?

Is Conan NSFW?


blackbloodtroll wrote:

What of the Classic Conan, who wears but a belt, boots, and a lioncloth.

Do you bat an eye?

Is Conan NSFW?

That image? Yeah, NSFW, but that is more due to his lady friend.

And I still say that there is a difference between a loincloth/speedo and a microbikini bottom.

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lemeres wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

What of the Classic Conan, who wears but a belt, boots, and a lioncloth.

Do you bat an eye?

Is Conan NSFW?

That image? Yeah, NSFW, but that is more due to his lady friend.

And I still say that there is a difference between a loincloth/speedo and a microbikini bottom.

There is. It's called being male. There is more to cover, but both cover, effectively, the same amount.

What work environment are we talking about exactly?

This is a fantasy game, and the fantasy genre is filled with such iconic imagery.

Even He-man wore about the same amount.

Is He-Man NSFW?

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Go ahead, look at this, and this picture.

Both are wearing the same outfit.

Still, I bet you view one as more "appropriate" than the other.


This probably isn't the place to get into the double standard on showing skin. Honestly, that first image is certainly fine. I think everything Red Sonja wore is worse than that. The original image might offend the prudish but I've definitely had barbarians in the same outfit (as well as much of Conan). I think you're required to worship Arshea at that point though.

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Let's go full Disney then.

Here's Disney's Tarzan, who is wearing less.

Hey, but maybe, Disney's Tarzan is NSFW?


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Really blackbloodtroll?
-The male is in a pose where he is holding the blade in front of him and he looks like he is angrily challenging someone.
-The female is in a pose slightly leaning to the side with her lips all pouting and holding the blade against her rear.

And NO a harness really doesn't count as a bra or top of any sort other than fetish kink.
AND why is like 90% of the fur from the loincloth missing on the female version?

The same? Not even close.


Umbral Reaver wrote:

So, I'm making an oni-spawn tiefling to be the party's beatstick.

It's hard to find good female oni art that is actually wearing clothes.

I found and recoloured (from red oni to blue oni) this piece, which is high in quality but shows off quite a bit. I'm actually quite sexually oblivious, so sometimes I have no idea that I'm looking at a piece of fetish art until someone points out what I've missed.

Would you cringe at seeing an oni-spawn tiefling looking like that in your Pathfinder game?

Addendum: I don't know who the original artist is. I found it wandering around the internet looking for oni art. Apparently it has already gone through a few edits before I got my hands on it, maybe?

That piece look fine to me. I shouldn't think anyone would be offended.

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Aranna wrote:

Really blackbloodtroll?

-The male is in a pose where he is holding the blade in front of him and he looks like he is angrily challenging someone.
-The female is in a pose slightly leaning to the side with her lips all pouting and holding the blade against her rear.

And NO a harness really doesn't count as a bra or top of any sort other than fetish kink.
AND why is like 90% of the fur from the loincloth missing on the female version?

The same? Not even close.

The pose does hide a bit of the loincloth. Look beyond the damn pose.

Why does harness need to "count as a bra or top"?

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Who exactly is it "too racy" for?

Is National Geographic "too racy"?


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Sexism is as much about the pose as it is about the outfit.
And topless women do qualify as NSFW.
Really? The pose hides the fur?! The male version has fur all the way around not just a tiny tuft at the front.

So those two pieces show a man wearing a skimpy barbarian inspired outfit and a woman wearing a sexified version of the same outfit and sporting a cute pose rather than an aggressive one. If you ACTUALLY put He-Man in the sexified loin cloth and stood him in the same pouting pose then you would have a NSFW image.


Similarly if you put a top on the girl and gave her the loincloth He-Man is wearing while posing her in the aggressive stance. probably SFW at most places.

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So, posing, is the NSFW factor? I suppose I can agree with that.

Topless? The first topless National Geographic picture was printed in 1896.

Disney had topless women dance on Bald Mountain in Fantasia.

My nieces and nephews go down to the beach, and see men and women wearing less than the OP's picture.

Who is in this Local Game, conservative religious sects?

Should the PC wear a Burqa, or Habit?


Have to agree with aranna. She-Man has so little fur on her belt I was pretty sure it was really her muff.

But there is a double standard in that boobs are considered nsfw in addition to crotch. Thongs and micro string bottoms are the line where its safe for work but honestly He-Man, Conan and the above speedo guys are very sploosh inducing and only technically safe for work.


/cheer blackbloodtroll you go!

I knew it would get interesting in here.

Currently there are indeed different conventions for what's considered vulgar nude between males, females, orientations, body types, and all other manners of classification. It's an unfortunate affair but most people are biased towards their "normal", its called cognitive bais and most don't even know it influences them.

I say full nude or bust for all.


I've gotta agree with BlackBlood here. Just because the pose is more classically feminine for the 2nd image, doesn't make it NSFW. And the amount of fur doesn't matter, as it covers the same amount of skin.


OP: looks fine.
Everyone else: depends who is at your table. If my young kid is in a game, covering up would happen with a lot of the follow-up pics.


That said almost every woman I've played with that rolled a barbarian was described as wearing that much and no one said anything. Barbarians should have gotten Con to AC because everyone seems to picture them nearly naked regardless of gender.


Yeah, Barbarians are pretty much accepted as mostly naked on principle. If your Cavalier is stripping during combat, someone might raise a complaint, but most Barbs think they have Naked Courage even if they didn't take the archetype.

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My animal companion was running around in considerably less than appropriate gear - so I upgraded to agile, mithril, breastplate, barding.


I want to say the line for technically NSFW is penis and balls for guys, and nipple, clit and labia for women. Anus for both. Your mileage may vary of course but that's the technical line and its not the line for titillating which is a combination of things including pose, expression and disproportionate detail. That line is all kinds of blurry, gender biased and dependent on the viewer.

I won't post it but there's a cover where Conan is naked and straddling a giant snake. He's facing away from the audience so it's technically SFW and would still be if he were a woman but that is serious dancing around the line and I wouldn't be surprised if the link were deleted regardless of the gender.


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Oh woah there you had me worried for a moment! I thought you were going to describe your character being a rapist, pedo or at least a crazy alcoholic. When you said racy, you had me braced for the absolute worst. Honestly any character can have problems with certain tables, some in some tables more than others.

That said, you'd be hard pressed to offend anyone with that picture you found even when edited. The only people I think that would be uncomfortable would be feminists or SUPREMELY conservative people. I describe them as supremely conservative, because I consider myself reasonably conservative. (Heading left down that scale.)

Though really, I would think a lot of feminists would not like RPGs for many reasons. And supremely conservative types would also not like RPGs for many reasons. Because of this, both are unlikely to be in your game.

If someone does bring it up and be like "really? Skin showing character?" Just tell him/her what you told us, you searched the whole web for this pic and even edited it to make it more modest. And if he/she is still raw about it, then well, come back to us?

I'm actually more concerned that you might have a PC in the party that tries to woo your PC. In all reality I think it's more likely that a bard would try to go for it. And that is a slippery slope to make you feel uncomfortable, unless you're cool with that.

Or bash his face in. An easy choice for most.

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I don't know, I must have a different filter.

When I was a little kid, I watched bare breasts in Heavy Metal, mothers shot in Bambi, and would look through National Geographic at the topless, and even nude tribal men and women.

Nobody batted an eye, slapped my hand, or gasped.

My dad bought me all the copies of Savage Sword of Conan I wanted.

Is there even little children to concerned about?


Yeah, when I look at armor today I see this.

When it comes to applying some kind of practicality to in-game armor (instead of catering to over-sexualization), we should be looking more towards this or this.

Also, hot-woman looks hot no matter the armor. 0_o


lemeres wrote:
So not too bad (it can be worse- her skirt could be too short and her chest could look perpetually...'cold'...).

A problem not exclusive to women, as I recall.

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Domestichauscat wrote:

Oh woah there you had me worried for a moment! I thought you were going to describe your character being a rapist, pedo or at least a crazy alcoholic. When you said racy, you had me braced for the absolute worst. Honestly any character can have problems with certain tables, some in some tables more than others.

That said, you'd be hard pressed to offend anyone with that picture you found even when edited. The only people I think that would be uncomfortable would be feminists or SUPREMELY conservative people. I describe them as supremely conservative, because I consider myself reasonably conservative. (Heading left down that scale.)

Though really, I would think a lot of feminists would not like RPGs for many reasons. And supremely conservative types would also not like RPGs for many reasons. Because of this, both are unlikely to be in your game.

If someone does bring it up and be like "really? Skin showing character?" Just tell him/her what you told us, you searched the whole web for this pic and even edited it to make it more modest. And if he/she is still raw about it, then well, come back to us?

I'm actually more concerned that you might have a PC in the party that tries to woo your PC. In all reality I think it's more likely that a bard would try to go for it. And that is a slippery slope to make you feel uncomfortable, unless you're cool with that.

Or bash his face in. An easy choice for most.

Do you understand what a feminist is?


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Good grief. Did I start a war?


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You did. And it's hilarious.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

I don't know, I must have a different filter.

When I was a little kid, I watched bare breasts in Heavy Metal,

Yeah, different filter than most. Heavy Metal was rated R, so most kids probably had to sneak a watch at that one.

It was more than bare t%%% in that one too, plenty of sexual themes and discourse (if not even straight up sex on screen, I don't remember completely). Pretty graphic gore and some horrific themes.

I remember watching that one in my late teens/earl adult, and am not ashamed to say that the skeletons rising in that b-17 bit probably freaked me out the most... as well as the implications behind the orb feeding terrifying images to that poor cornered girl. *shudder*

But yeah... things have gotten simultaneously more explicit and prudish, with a fine line on childhood/adulthood making things acceptable.

And the western culture overemphasis on nudity/sex over violence. Let the kids watch people getting shot on daytime 24 hour news channels, but don't let a single female nipple show up.


Umbral Reaver wrote:
Good grief. Did I start a war?

Sort of. The thing is that what is 'racy' depends entirely on who you play with. I can't post a picture that is objectively 'racy'. It's an opinion.

Like I said, barbarians are expected to be half naked most of the time. It's tradition. I'm not gonna even touch on the minefield that is non-barbarian women and revealing clothing. BBT has a tendency to get a little heated in these sorts of things anyway, it's just a bad idea to engage in discussion.

We're not the group that determines what is or is not racy in your games. Your group is.


Hey, if you are playing straight up fantasy and the group focuses on it... then giant unwieldy swords and impractical armor for all!

Absolutely, it really does depend on that group. We game to escape reality, after all. :D


The strangest part is that I wasn't particularly concerned with the bare abdomen.

I was wondering if the unreasonable size of her breasts pushed the image over the line from fantasy art to softcore fetish art.

Also, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at everyone calling the character a barbarian. I'm actually making a strength-based, two-handed weapon inquisitor! :P


To be fair, the artist does do straight up porn, too. Like, pretty hardcore porn. But that is (post-edits) an acceptable picture for use in polite company, imo.


Umbral Reaver wrote:

The strangest part is that I wasn't particularly concerned with the bare abdomen.

I was wondering if the unreasonable size of her breasts pushed the image over the line from fantasy art to softcore fetish art.

Also, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at everyone calling the character a barbarian. I'm actually making a strength-based, two-handed weapon inquisitor! :P

The breasts aren't that big of a deal. I've certainly seen worse and it doesn't ride the line other than cleavage. It does seem odd for an Inquisitor. Where's the hat?

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Umbral Reaver wrote:
Good grief. Did I start a war?

No.

You just brought to light, inequality amongst the sexes, and the cultural censorship of the human body.

I have full faith you came with good intentions.

People like me, just find the fact, that the idea that questions like this even need to be asked, to be offensive.

I personally lived in a Naturist commune, and met people of many faiths and beliefs, that had no shame in the viewing, and presenting, the human body.

How easily we push children to watch 126 minutes of a man slowly beaten, and tortured to death, but an exposed thigh, or sideboob, and we cry foul.

This is a game filled with violence, slavery, horror, rape, bestiality, torture, and we are concerned about a skimpy outfit?

This is a terrible state of things.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
Good grief. Did I start a war?

No.

You just brought to light, inequality amongst the sexes, and the cultural censorship of the human body.

I have full faith you came with good intentions.

People like me, just find the fact, that the idea that questions like this even need to be asked, to be offensive.

I personally lived in a Naturist commune, and met people of many faiths and beliefs, that had no shame in the viewing, and presenting, the human body.

How easily we push children to watch 126 minutes of a man slowly beaten, and tortured to death, but an exposed thigh, or sideboob, and we cry foul.

This is a game filled with violence, slavery, horror, rape, bestiality, torture, and we are concerned about a skimpy outfit?

This is a terrible state of things.

I was about to say; I hope you guys aren't playing Rise of the Runelords. Because Rise is way worse than that outfit by a huge margin.

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