Wardens of the Reborn Forge Sanctioning


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Silver Crusade 5/5

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Is this something that is still going to happen? If so, is there any sort of timeline for it being released?

Lantern Lodge 5/5

I wonder this as well.

Shadow Lodge 5/5

Maybe I should start a kickstarter for a pirate raid on John's desk for the Warden's sanctioning material.

Anybody want to donate some limes to the cause?

Silver Crusade 5/5

Well shoot, I'd put up a whole basket of limes if I thought that would get the job done.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Chester aka Paz

This blog post from 8 September is the last update I can see:

John Compton wrote:
Other sanctioning projects are still in progress, including the recently released Iron Gods Adventure Path as well as several adventures yet to be sanctioned like Pathfinder Module: Wardens of the Reborn Forge and the Serpent's Skull Adventure Path.

I've not seen anything to suggest that the future sanctioning of this module is in jeopardy.

Silver Crusade 5/5

The thing is, back when Carrion Crown was sanctioned, we were told it was almost ready, back in january, I believe. Then we got another post back in May saying that it was "almost done" and would be up soon. Then, yes, in September they mentioned that it was still a thing that was in progress. At this point, ten-ish months after the module was released and nine months after the initial blog post saying it was almost ready, you might understand if I am not exactly holding my breath.

What I see that makes me wonder whether it will get sanctioned is that since Wardens has come out, the module that was released after it was sanctioned, along with all 16 levels of the Emerald Spire and all six parts of Mummy's Mask. And by the looks of the September post, Iron Gods and Serpent's Skull as well. Along with the fact that myself and others haver asked about this and not received a response.

Dark Archive

anytime anyone asks.. its always

" When we get to it"..

they are busy people.. just have patience

Silver Crusade 5/5

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wellsmv wrote:

anytime anyone asks.. its always

" When we get to it"..

they are busy people.. just have patience

I had patience half a year ago, back when they told us that Warden's was almost done a second time, this post from Dragnmoon sums my position up:

Dragnmoon wrote:

Asking something to come out on time is far from unreasonable In fact it should be expected by all of us and anything less should be questioned by us.

PFS has had this problem for awhile now with getting things other the scenarios out in a timely manner.

I think it is fully reasonable for me to ask if Paizo has a plan to get this fixed.

To be clear I don't think it has anything to do with the Hard work by Mike or John but to do with Paizo not willing to prioritize PFS to the level it needs to be and/or the resources to complete their PFS commitments. Based on past comments on why these things are late PFS always seems to be pushed back for other projects which is very upsetting and at a certain point we need to voice that disappointment to remind them. The chronicle sheet for Wardens of the Reborn Forge is way past that point.

EDIT: And from the viewpoint of a customer and a PFS player who enjoys higher level play, failure to sanction Wardens disincentivizes me from buying any other high level products they might release in the futrure, like this, which is a shame, because it sounds like a cool module, set in a place we don't get to go to very often.

Lantern Lodge 5/5

UndeadMitch wrote:

EDIT: And from the viewpoint of a customer and a PFS player who enjoys higher level play, failure to sanction Wardens disincentivizes me from buying any other high level products they might release in the futrure, like this, which is a shame, because it sounds like a cool module, set in a place we don't get to go to very often.

That does sound neat (and I've got a perfect PC for it), but yeah...who knows how long it'd be after it's released before I'd ever get to play it?

More on topic, if keeping the conversation about Wardens is the key to getting attention put to it, consider this post "doing my part."

Silver Crusade 5/5

I'm going to go ahead and give this a little bump. Is there any chance of this being sanctioned before the one year mark?

Grand Lodge

I'm also patiently waiting for the WotRF chronicles, but I've already started running it as a home game. Hopefully it'll be released before we finish, but I'm not holding my breath.

Sovereign Court 5/5

i am just not running it till it is sanctioned.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Bump. If there are others also still wondering about this, please post here.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

I have the module prepped. Awaiting sanctioning.

Shadow Lodge

TheInnsmouthLooker wrote:
I'm also patiently waiting for the WotRF chronicles, but I've already started running it as a home game. Hopefully it'll be released before we finish, but I'm not holding my breath.

You cannot apply credit for portions played before it is sanctioned, unless they make an exception for this module. The same was true with Adventure Paths when they started to sanction them. We were told we had to play them again, or run a PFS-legal character through the sanctioned portions.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Mystic Lemur wrote:
TheInnsmouthLooker wrote:
I'm also patiently waiting for the WotRF chronicles, but I've already started running it as a home game. Hopefully it'll be released before we finish, but I'm not holding my breath.
You cannot apply credit for portions played before it is sanctioned, unless they make an exception for this module. The same was true with Adventure Paths when they started to sanction them. We were told we had to play them again, or run a PFS-legal character through the sanctioned portions.

You are correct on that account, but seeing as how its been just shy of a year since Wardens was released, I wouldn't question him or anyone else that is running it in home game mode reporting their run-through. That is, of course, provided that Wardens has anoption for running in home game mode. I'm running it in home game mode, and as long as home game mode is on the table when it is sanctioned I plan on running it again with another group with some modifications to keep people on their toes.

Grand Lodge

I too am patiently awaiting Wardens of the Reborn Forge and Iron Gods to be sanctioned.
I am sure there are some talented VOs that could perhaps run some early drafts of the chronicle sheets to keep it balanced with PFS play.

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Pathfinder Companion, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Something else to point out, but Tears at Bitter Manor was sanctioned a while back and it came out months after Wardens.

All of this gives me the idea that John Compton must be massively overworked. There is talk of "improvements" for PFS. Some extra help in this might be on the list, but the specifics of all that's involved have been a little vague. The recent post did mention additional help on this.

Personally, I'm waiting on Kingmaker to get sanctioned.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Fun fact: Like I mentioned a little bit upthread not only did Tears at Bitter Manor get sanctioned before Wardens, but also all 16 levels of Emerald Spire and all six parts of the Mummy's Mask AP in addition to the books boons getting caught up.

Shadow Lodge

And? I don't work for Paizo, so I don't know the reason it hasn't been sanctioned yet. Whatever the reason, be assured there is one.

My best guess, there was an issue with either the content or the formatting of the chronicle sheets, and getting them re-done is at the bottom of the priority list.

3/5 5/5

WOTRF is a high-level adventure and as such is probably a lower-priority adventure. One thing to note is that one doesn't assign chronicles for one of these multi-chronicle modules when one finishes the section of the adventure they correspond to -- one assigns them after completing the entire module. For this reason, if you begin the module before it is sanctioned but complete it after, you should be able to receive chronicles. How long it will be until it is sanctioned, however, is anyone's guess.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Mystic Lemur wrote:
And? I don't work for Paizo, so I don't know the reason it hasn't been sanctioned yet. Whatever the reason, be assured there is one.

Was anyone asking you why this hasn't been sanctioned yet? I haven't, my most recent comment was a response to Soluzar. My response to you had noting to do with what you just said

The thing is, Mike Brock has said before that high level play doesn't happen all that much, and shown us numbers that confirm his assertions. By dragging their feet in sanctioning for what high level modules get released, they are ensuring that they are correct. They create a double standard by claiming that high level play is rare, then not sanctioning the high level modules that do get released especially when there are a number of people saying that the only thing keeping them from running this scenario is a lack of sanctioning. Even if this is lower on their list of priorites, they've still had an entire year to get this done and haven't. They should be making time to clear what's on their plate first before adding other tasks to the pile. As a consumer, this is a rediculous situation and makes me want to stop spending my money on Paizo products.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

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Most of the chronicles for the newer modules have a sort of clever gimmick, or at least a boon that's well worth the trouble. I'm guessing that the campaign leadership is trying to come up with such a cool thing with these Chronicle sheets. And my response is: if it's not working, I'd rather have a sanctioned module with a pedestrian Chronicle sheet soon, than something cooler and spiffier several months from now.

Silver Crusade 5/5

What Chris said.

Grand Lodge

Amen.

Shadow Lodge

UndeadMitch wrote:

Was anyone asking you why this hasn't been sanctioned yet? I haven't, my most recent comment was a response to Soluzar. My response to you had noting to do with what you just said

I was responding to your comment. It doesn't matter that more recent content has been sanctioned and WotRF hasn't. I even provided my speculation as to why that might be.

Speculation. Like everything else in this thread. So unbunch those undies and go back to patiently waiting like the rest of us.

Silver Crusade 5/5

This thread wasn't meant for speculation, this thread is about asking leadership if anything was going to happen with Wardens, since it had been close to two months since the last time they said they were working on Wardens. They went from saying it should be done by the end of January to saying it was almost done in May to saying that it was in progress at the beginning of September.

So if leadership happens to see this, is anything still happening with Wardens?

Shadow Lodge

UndeadMitch wrote:
This thread wasn't meant for speculation,

And yet, here we are. Speculating.

UndeadMitch wrote:

this thread is about asking leadership if anything was going to happen with Wardens, since it had been close to two months since the last time they said they were working on Wardens. They went from saying it should be done by the end of January to saying it was almost done in May to saying that it was in progress at the beginning of September.

So if leadership happens to see this, is anything still happening with Wardens?

And they might answer you, just like they answered (in good faith) when they said it would be January, then May, then September. Why should they answer again, considering the response for them missing deadlines? Better, at this point, to just put it out when it's done and not list another deadline they might not be able to keep.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Mystic Lemur wrote:
UndeadMitch wrote:
This thread wasn't meant for speculation,

And yet, here we are. Speculating.

UndeadMitch wrote:

this thread is about asking leadership if anything was going to happen with Wardens, since it had been close to two months since the last time they said they were working on Wardens. They went from saying it should be done by the end of January to saying it was almost done in May to saying that it was in progress at the beginning of September.

So if leadership happens to see this, is anything still happening with Wardens?

And they might answer you, just like they answered (in good faith) when they said it would be January, then May, then September. Why should they answer again, considering the response for them missing deadlines? Better, at this point, to just put it out when it's done and not list another deadline they might not be able to keep.

First there have been four people speculating; you, Chris, Paladin, and Soluzar. Most of the rest of the people that have posted are also wanting to know about this.

As for why they should answer, well, I'm a paying customer. despite what many people seem to think, PFS isn't free to play or GM. The sales that they make from us, whether it be from scenarios, modules, hardcovers, AP's, etc. pay the salaries of the folks at Paizo. So yes, I do think that they at least owe us a "Hey, we're still working on it" if nothing else. I don't even care if it's a specific date I would just like to see the concerns of their customers addressed.

And with that Lemur, I'm done responding to you, since you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. Thanks for bumping my post, and have a Happy Thanksgiving, if you celebrate it.

Edited to tone down my reply

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

Oh, I'm on board with Mystic Lemur here. I don't need an explanation, or a promise of a deadline. I'm just saying that I'd like to run this adventure; most of the people I could get to play it, would rather wait for it to be PFS-legal; and I'd rather see it legal soon than legal once the hypothetical kinks in a theoretical super-special Chronicle sheet get ironed out.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

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Chris Mortika wrote:
Most of the chronicles for the newer modules have a sort of clever gimmick, or at least a boon that's well worth the trouble. I'm guessing that the campaign leadership is trying to come up with such a cool thing with these Chronicle sheets. And my response is: if it's not working, I'd rather have a sanctioned module with a pedestrian Chronicle sheet soon, than something cooler and spiffier several months from now.

Noted. Although there's more to the "why is this delayed" story than your accurate speculation, that doesn't excuse the sanctioning document's continued nonexistence. This will be my project this weekend.

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 Venture-Captain, Washington—Spokane

John,

Thank you for the update and for your willingness to work on this sanctioning project over the holiday weekend. Honestly, I will be happy when this does get sanctioned but I will be more than happy to wait as long as needed to insure that the chronicle for this module is as awesome as the module itself.

Again you have my thanks and I look forward to this sanctioning.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Thank you for the update, John, and sorry for my harsh tone in this thread. I do appreciate the work that you and Mike put into PFS. I don't mind waiting but it seemed like this had just fallen off the radar and wanted to make sure it didn't fall through the cracks. Thanks again for everything you do for PFS.

5/5 Venture-Agent, Australia—NSW—Sydney aka lastblacknight

Thanks for your effort John! it's appreciated. especially working through the weekend, you won't be alone

There is a whole of passion on the thread and it's all about supporting Paizo and the community through PFS.

Shadow Lodge

Thanks for the update, John. Happy Turkey Day, and to you as well, Mitch.

Grand Lodge

John is a legend :)

5/5 Venture-Captain, Australia—ACT—Canberra aka powell01

KestlerGunner wrote:
John is a legend :)

Here, Here!!!! What votive offering can we give to his glory?

5/5

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The tears of Kyle Baird?

Dark Archive 5/5 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, United Kingdom—England—Coventry aka terry_t_uk

Everybody know the tears of Kyle Baird are a mythical substance on a par with ambrosia

Grand Lodge

Mystic Lemur wrote:
TheInnsmouthLooker wrote:
I'm also patiently waiting for the WotRF chronicles, but I've already started running it as a home game. Hopefully it'll be released before we finish, but I'm not holding my breath.
You cannot apply credit for portions played before it is sanctioned, unless they make an exception for this module. The same was true with Adventure Paths when they started to sanction them. We were told we had to play them again, or run a PFS-legal character through the sanctioned portions.

The chronicle for Dragon's Demand says that "you may play the entirety of Dragon's Demand, afterward receiving credit for the sanctioned portions of the adventure as if you had played a pregenerated character." I understand this to mean that if the chronicles are released before I finish WotRF in its entirety, then I can give out chronicle sheets. If not, I really don't mind.

It also sounds like I may see chronicles before I finish the first chapter.

Sczarni 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Washington—Pullman aka Coraith

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terry_t_uk wrote:
Everybody know the tears of Kyle Baird are a mythical substance on a par with ambrosia

They can actually make you Mythic. Not your character... You.

Dark Archive 5/5 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, United Kingdom—England—Coventry aka terry_t_uk

Steven Huffstutler wrote:
terry_t_uk wrote:
Everybody know the tears of Kyle Baird are a mythical substance on a par with ambrosia
They can actually make you Mythic. Not your character... You.

:-)

Lantern Lodge 5/5

I poke the bear.

Any reaction?

Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha aka downerbeautiful

Jayson MF Kip wrote:
I poke the bear.

*sneak attack for 2.0X damage!*

Sneaking is overrated, eh?

5/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston

Odd, sneak attacks usually do not multiple. Must be a critter weakess.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Global Organized Play Coordinator

Jayson MF Kip wrote:

I poke the bear.

Any reaction?

Check today's blog when it goes live.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

Speaking of which…

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Starfinder Superscriber

\o/

Silver Crusade 5/5

Thanks for the awesomeness, guys!

Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha aka downerbeautiful

David Neilson wrote:
Odd, sneak attacks usually do not multiple. Must be a critter weakess.

Pretty sure it can in other systems.

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