The inquisitor is my favorite class. I'm making my third one for a new campaign, starting at Fourth level. I looked at the war priest as well. What are the advantages to making a war priest? Mainly heavy armor and the ability to buff yourself as a swift action?
Do they just look bad on paper? Anyone seen them in action and have an opinion?
I dont' know, I haven't played one yet. It doesn't get full casting so theoretically its inherently weaker than a cleric but when I first saw it I had some thoughts on what to do with it.
For one, whenever I make a make a fighty divine caster I typically cast divine favor an then go into combat. Despite popular belief I almost never know when I'm going to go into combat so I spend a round or two buffing myself while trying to get a good position. With Warpriest I imagine that I'd do the same thing only faster and eating a lot of swift actions. There's also a lot that it can do which makes you feel swift action starved but I would say try not to do everything at once. If you don't overextend you can last pretty deep in a dungeon while still having some tricks up your sleeve. I would abuse less feat intensive melee options and the free weapon focus. to make an efficient guy without it's buffs so that you can save them for later. You can also cure yourself with swift actions so that you can be a tank so I'm sure there's a way to do something with that.
When I saw the scaling dice I thought about trying to vital strike with it but at 3/4 BAB that might not be feasible, but hey, I recently made a vital striking inquisitor that seems to be working out okay so far.
According to me, the greatest advantage of the warpriest is the wider spell access. You have basically all 1st to 6th level cleric spells, while the inquisitor is spontaneous, which is both an advantage and a problem.
About the question of self-buffing, inquisitor are already able to do it very well with judgement and Bane, so I don't see any edge for the warpriest here before high level, where spell may start being stronger than a well selected judgement (don't forget they are sacred bonus, in opposition of most cleric spell that don't stack very well, sacred stack with most item/spell).
For the class feature and skills, Inquisitor still is my favored martial/divine class, but the warpriest have a different flavor. I would rather play a warpriest of Gorum than an inquisitor, for instance.
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The inquisitor is my favorite class. I'm making my third one for a new campaign, starting at Fourth level. I looked at the war priest as well. What are the advantages to making a war priest? Mainly heavy armor and the ability to buff yourself as a swift action?
Do they just look bad on paper? Anyone seen them in action and have an opinion?
Whilst I can't say I have played a Warpriest, I've played the Sacred Fist Archetype of the Warpriest. I'M IN LOVE. It's just a fine-oiled machine, really. McCoy just did a fantastic job in writing this Archetype!
Inquisitor definitely seems like a Teamwork kind of class, and I feel the Warpriest is more towards Solo, though not completely. They get all of the Cleric spells, and what makes them great is Fervor - Swift casting ANY prepared spell on only yourself, from 4 to 13 times a day(depending on level). They have enhanced damage on a couple of different weapons, Sacred Damage that is, along with being able to enhance it further with Sacred Weapon/Armor abilities. They cap at level 6 spells, much like the Inquisitor.
I highly recommend giving the Warpriest a try, the flavor is good to boot!
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Warpriest kicks more butt.
Inquisitor has more skill/out of combat utility.
That's the short, (over)simplified version.
(Greater) Bane begs to differ on the kicking ass. I'd need to see a rundown on builds and damage. Probably comparing normal melee builds, archery builds and best archtype (sanctifiex slayer vs Warpriest), before I dare make such a comparison.
My Warpriestess of Calistria who is Crusader's Flurrying a Monowhip (mm slashing grace) and Ferver Buffing could lead a pretty solid inquisition lol. YMMV w/ regaurds to tech level though. Warpriest ftw
Sorry just a small derailing... You can't Slashing Grace a Monowhip since a Monowhip is a light weapon... ;)
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Advantages of Inquisitor:Incredible skills
Nice-to-Amazing Initiative
Good Self-buffing
A decent spell list
Cool(if weak) weapons
Flexible
Advantages of Warpriest:
Better Self-buffing(or perhaps more is a more appropriate term)
Heavier Armor
Better Weapons
All weapons work well(even the lowly club can work with SW)
Prepared casting(perhaps a personal preference)
More general feats.
I am a Baaaaaaad man.
A very bad man.
Warpriest of gorum, can get to +8h, 2d6+10D easily at 3rd level
Plus 10D ?? Can you develop because a Fighter level 1 or 2 will always be hahead of a half fighter or a magic character...
except that at 20 it's 4d6 for greater bane. The swift buffing is sweet though, and it might make warpriest better. no time to make the comparison atm to be honest.
I like the versatility of an Inquisitor though and thonk they more than hold their own in any situation, including combat.
I fail to see what a 2-level inquisitor dip gives that makes it that great? Cunning Initiative?
I do Warpriest levels need to count as cleric levels for feats though... That would allow access to a lot of feats from Inner Sea Gods which most make more sense for Warpriests to have than Cleric's anyway.
Uh ? Am I missing something ? Which feat require Cleric level ?
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I do Warpriest levels need to count as cleric levels for feats though... That would allow access to a lot of feats from Inner Sea Gods which most make more sense for Warpriests to have than Cleric's anyway.Uh ? Am I missing something ? Which feat require Cleric level ?
Disciple of the Sword, and Ironbound Master.
People undervalue fervor healing yourself, at high levels even swift casting heal.
Imo warpriest lives up to his name.
Swift buffing, swift healing, swift summoning. Great damage, much much earlier access to combat feats, etc.
Inquisitor is amazing utility wise on the other hand without slacking on the offense.
The biggest difference imo, combat wise, is defense. Heavy armor+reliable self healing+ good one handed damage is way beyond what inq can pull.
So I would say:
Inq:
Good offense
Bad defense
Good utilityWP:
Good offense
Good defense
Bad utility
This+1
I am playing a level 7 war priest and have played heaps of inquisitors.
The thing I miss most is skills and the thing I'm noting is WAY better Armor.
Warpriest is a far better tank.
Baron Hannis Drelev
I read the new Warpriest guide on the board and agree with most of it, but was surprised the was no reccomendation for a two handed smasher type build. That is what I am going for with Xavier. One thing I note is that Human is EASILY the best race in the same way an ELF is the best Magus.
Being able to get a 1/6th return on favored class bonus for 3 extra combat feats is DAMN awesome.
Not quite as good as the elf getting 1/6th for extra Arcanas (cause arcana's are better than feats) but still very good.
Dwarves are a close second since they can get +5 racial to saves with a feat and a trait and they get bonuses to CON and WIS. Same reason they make the best inquisitors.
Power Wise I actually think this class is LESS so than the inquisitor Offensively.
Because the inquisitor gets Judgement, which applies to EVERTHING he fights and is a free resource ON TOP of his spells.
The Warpriest Can swift spells but this makes him able to NOVA through his spells faster.
I would say the inquisitor actually has better spell endurance AND a better list (early access to Deadly Juggernaught and the Warpriest can't ever cast Righteous Vigor)
The skills suck but the better AC is nice. As is the swift action heals (which burn more spells for a CLW because the pseudo LOH sucks)
Warpriest kicks more butt.
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I'm also a bit baffled by people saying the Inquisitor has bad defenses. He has a great deal of defense boosting spells, either in the pure AC and saves department (Shield of Faith, Heroism), or unique areas (Countless Eyes, Bloodhound, frex).
This is on top of being a medium armor class who can use shields if you choose, and good saves (Fort/Will is the best combo bar all Good) with Stalwart to boot.
It may be worse than the Warpriest in the AC department, but it's far from "bad".