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Recipes: When you right click on a recipe, if you have the right per-requisites, you'll learn it and it will vanish from your inventory. If you hover, it will tell you what you need to learn it, but some of the recipes are broken at the moment. Some appear to come from learning the skills, others come from monster drops
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The charts and spreadsheets found HERE by Cheatle of TEO is a good source for new players.
RECIPES
*You learn some recipes with each level of the crafting skill you have.
*Mobs drop recipes that you can learn by right clicking if you meet the prerequisites.
*There is a current bug where certain recipes can't be learned. It is different for each character.
CRAFTSMAN
*Yes, you can be a sole craftsman. There are even some Settlements that focus on crafting.
*Look HERE for Guild Recruitment & Helpful Links by Nihimon.
ROLES
*It is most likely going to be best to focus on one or two roles.
SOLO
*It can be done but expect to die a lot. The game relies heavily on group play.
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Training in the Alpha: Sotterhill represents an "NPC" settlement, and can not train you past about level 7 in anything much. The other two settlements are more specialized and reflect what "PC" settlements will be like. They can train you to higher levels, but only in a couple of roles.
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Serious Carfter/Gatherer: This is not totally possible. Aside from presuming you can get the materials from others as needed, at issue is that your Stats need to be high enough to take higher level skills, and there are a limited number of ways of increasing stats, so you have no choice but to take other skills. The devs want to discourage players from taking a single, focused, path to the top, preferring that players be a bit more generalist.
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Switching Armour and Features: The feats and equipment are gated by keywords. The fanciest feat in the world won't help if your armour doesn't have a matching keyword and vice-verse. If your feat has a "Holy" keyword, the armour must have a "Holy keyword for you to use them together
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Excellent write-up.
I can't really answer any of your questions. My experience was similar, except that I learned how to stealth right away due to trying out every button on the keyboard to see what it did.
I focused on spellcasting classes and ended up with a level 10 cleric and level 7 wizard. I only died once due to not checking the power level of the alpha wolf next to the bandit before engaging.
You may have entered the game when folks were testing out pvp, as there was going to be a character wipe later and they didn't have to worry about rep.
Edit: Also, Hammerfall is a settlement which focuses on crafting. We'd love to have you join us!
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I think the new quickstart document describes all the keys:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i4w23d1aajn0xrl/Quick_Start_Guide_v2.pdf
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Yeah, use that quickstart guide and the tutorial by the clerics where you log in. Reading that and doing that makes it so much easier! Wish I had know about the clerics when I started. They don't stand out so you can't really tell that they are not PCs just standing around.
And you get a couple of attack powers out of the tutorial, which sounds a bit lame since it is for your starting club but my rogue is still using his club as his second weapon. Does more damage than a mace or sword, haven't found a short sword to try that out yet.
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And you get a couple of attack powers out of the tutorial, which sounds a bit lame since it is for your starting club but my rogue is still using his club as his second weapon. Does more damage than a mace or sword, haven't found a short sword to try that out yet.
A trick on the tutorial that might not be usable in the next Alpha: while the trainer was there and you could buy those three skills, you didn't have to. Buying any three skills (one each time you were prompted) would advance the quest. Likewise, you didn't have to equip those 3 feats. The quest would advance if you equipped, when prompted, any primary attack; any secondary attack; and any passive feat.
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So... I could have used X to enter Stealth... I could have gotten all crazy with a bow after all... Dang it.
So is it possible to make a very effective Rogue w/some fighter to be a light weapon and Longbow/Shortbow specialist, maxed out on Rogue stuff and still at least be able to craft my own high level gear?
At the very least I want to be able to harvest any nodes that would pertain to being able to make Bow stuff, light armor and light weapons etc...
Part of the intent of the role-based, classless, system is that you can do pretty-much whatever you want. There will be advantages to not slotting training from multiple roles at the same time, but in general, you can make a sneaky harvesting cleric that only fights with a staff and wizard spells if you like, allowing you to wear heavy armour and have excellent fortitude while using arcane effects to slip through the wilds picking off gold and essences....
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So... I could have used X to enter Stealth... I could have gotten all crazy with a bow after all... Dang it.
So is it possible to make a very effective Rogue w/some fighter to be a light weapon and Longbow/Shortbow specialist, maxed out on Rogue stuff and still at least be able to craft my own high level gear?
At the very least I want to be able to harvest any nodes that would pertain to being able to make Bow stuff, light armor and light weapons etc...
Not really. You can specialize in one or the other, and either learn how to use t3 gear, learn to craft t3 gear, or learn to refine t3 materials. Trying to do all three will take 2-3 times the time/XP as learning one.
That said, you can get to create and use low and mid range gear faster.
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As Decius says. what I should have said is, it's possible, but you'd need a lot of patience to do it at a high level.
The devs talk about an underlying mechanic that several years from now, a new player will be able to enter and be almost as good as an old hand at specific things fairly quickly. Where the old-hand will have an advantage is in multiple roles. The two might be almost equal fighters a few months later, while the long term play will also be able to make their own equipment and switch over to being a spellcaster if they feel like it.
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Last weekend the long bow was far, far better than the short bow. There was one long bow attack that could kill low level enemies in one hit, where the short bow needed at least two shots. They're adjusting attack speed and damage in the new Alpha version, so the two types of bow might be more evenly matched this weekend.
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As Decius says. what I should have said is, it's possible, but you'd need a lot of patience to do it at a high level.
The devs talk about an underlying mechanic that several years from now, a new player will be able to enter and be almost as good as an old hand at specific things fairly quickly. Where the old-hand will have an advantage is in multiple roles. The two might be almost equal fighters a few months later, while the long term play will also be able to make their own equipment and switch over to being a spellcaster if they feel like it.
That is how EVE works. My 2-3 year old character has pretty much maxed for example his ability to fly Interceptors there is nothing I can do to really improve much more in that ship. In terms of weapons he has maximum skills in drones. There is nothing I can do now to improve either of those abilities.
A 3 month old character could equal my skills in Interceptors or drones easily (though probably not both).
Of course on the EVE forums there is always the new player obsessed with something that takes a lot to train like flying a capital ship such as a Titan or Carrier who says the game is "unfair" and wants training shortened. When told those ships are useless outside big fleet battles they just throw a tantrum.
In PFO its pretty clear with crafting for example that higher level crafters will be able to consistently make top tier stuff but newer crafters will still be able to make the same gear just at a lower rate (as they will need to rely on the +1 or +2 random upgrades).
In PvP numbers will be the big force multiplier. Whether 10 one week characters can take out a single 1 year trained char or it needs 10 x 3 months character remains to be seen, I assume their will be game mechanics to deter "blobbing" but in the end more people will still outweigh higher training and better gear.
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I assume their will be game mechanics to deter "blobbing" but in the end more people will still outweigh higher training and better gear.
I don't assume this at all. Numbers are to be the biggest force multiplier in PFO. Doing things to prevent 'blobbing' runs directly counter to this design intent. I wouldn't hold my breath.
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I don't assume this at all. Numbers are to be the biggest force multiplier in PFO. Doing things to prevent 'blobbing' runs directly counter to this design intent. I wouldn't hold my breath.I assume their will be game mechanics to deter "blobbing" but in the end more people will still outweigh higher training and better gear.
If the formation combat ideas come to fruition, they should certainly discourage the most common kind of "blobbing" in other games. To me, a battle between 100 disorganized nut jobs charging straight into the fray and a 100-character formation (or five 20-character formations) should result in a humiliating death for the rabble.
(A 100-character formation in an open field against a dozen 5-character skirmish units in the trees might go the other way, of course.)
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I just have to ask what in the world is blobbing?
It is a tactic where instead of training up a few powerful characters you just attack with masses of characters. In extreme cases you might attack a single very low level character with 20 or 30 of your own.
It will become a particularly big issue in PFO if we ever get effective group teleports.
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PFO is intended to have a fairly narrow power differential between level 0 and level 20, compared to games like WoW, where hundreds of level 1 characters have no hope against one maximum level character.
How narrow the difference really is between any two levels will determine how big the blob needs to be.
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Of course, in EVE there's a very specific definition of blobbing: "Your side brought more ships to the fight than my side."
People who are flying solo will accuse a squad of 10 of blobbing. People in a squad will accuse someone who brings a wing of three squads of blobbing. At the multiple fleet level, groups finally break down and change the accusations to who is "blobbier", because neither side can claim they aren't a blob.
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Of course, in EVE there's a very specific definition of blobbing: "Your side brought more ships to the fight than my side."
People who are flying solo will accuse a squad of 10 of blobbing. People in a squad will accuse someone who brings a wing of three squads of blobbing. At the multiple fleet level, groups finally break down and change the accusations to who is "blobbier", because neither side can claim they aren't a blob.
Hotdropping a fleet of supers definitely counts as blobbing though.
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Hotdropping a fleet of supers definitely counts as blobbing though.Of course, in EVE there's a very specific definition of blobbing: "Your side brought more ships to the fight than my side."
People who are flying solo will accuse a squad of 10 of blobbing. People in a squad will accuse someone who brings a wing of three squads of blobbing. At the multiple fleet level, groups finally break down and change the accusations to who is "blobbier", because neither side can claim they aren't a blob.
Especially if the target is a single battlecruiser!
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Especially if the target is a single battlecruiser!Hotdropping a fleet of supers definitely counts as blobbing though.Of course, in EVE there's a very specific definition of blobbing: "Your side brought more ships to the fight than my side."
People who are flying solo will accuse a squad of 10 of blobbing. People in a squad will accuse someone who brings a wing of three squads of blobbing. At the multiple fleet level, groups finally break down and change the accusations to who is "blobbier", because neither side can claim they aren't a blob.
*eyes mist over in sweet reminiscence*
