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I'm loving the potential NPC interactions. Pleeease tell me your character is the party face. ; )
Wait, the cat's a cleric?! Which deity? The (presumably) first cat cleric of ______. That's got to be worth some kind of boon.
We should probably compile a list of pros and cons to help our cat make his way in the world.
Pro: Bartender will never ask him to pay a tab.
Con: Bartender may choose not to serve him because he looks underage.
@Azten: how so?
1) Familiars are class features.
2) Player Characters and non-animal companion/familiar/etc NPCs are not class features.
No, pretty sure that's rules. If there is a way to get a familiar for free -no feats, classes, traits or prestige classes needed- then everyone, literally everyone, would have them and we'd be playing Golden Compass characters.
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Of course I'm psyched to be a cat, this is really just a minor thing. I'd just prefer my character to be male is all. The girdle of opposite gender might work, and my GM said he might allow me to make one with the craft wondrous items feat, but how would a cat wear a girdle? Also, the Prestidigitation spell's effects only last an hour. Thanks for all the help though. I didn't even know a girdle like that existed lol.Okay, first and foremost... your character won't be crafting anything. It's a cat... so... no thumbs. Your character also won't be using basically any weapon in the game, almost any magic item in the game (for instance wands, potions, or doors). Your character doesn't have the body parts required for speech. But okay, you're a cat.
That said, the problem you've come here to discuss isn't a mechanical one. It's an out-of-character at-the-table one. The answer - the only answer - is for you to tell your DM "the arbitrary change to my character's sex bothers me. Please undo that." The DM either understands and accepts that there are boundaries you're not comfortable crossing, or doesn't.
Wait, doors are magic items? :p
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No, pretty sure that's rules. If there is a way to get a familiar for free -no feats, classes, traits or prestige classes needed- then everyone, literally everyone, would have them and we'd be playing Golden Compass characters.
oh that's the holdup,
There's a feat, requires arcane caster level 3+It's called "obtain familiar"
On an unrelated note, that book was trippy, movie was waaaaay toned down from the book
Did not like the ending of the third one, uug depressing, and it didn't even fit with the rest of the story it was just stab everyone in the heart crit sneak attack to the feels
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I think a sufficiently intelligent creature will find ways to use it's paws effectively.
You try manipulating things with mittens and come back again.
Never mind I'll be even more generous. Have someone throughly duct tape your thumbs to your hands so that you can't use them, but I'm leaving you all eight fingers.
Then try manipulating anything, picking up things from your pockets, reading books, without an opposable thumb, and see how easy it is.
the retractable claws help, but it definitly would be a challenge.
Wait, doors are magic items? :p
They can be, usually conjuration effects, though I suspect that was a punctuation typo
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No, pretty sure that's rules. If there is a way to get a familiar for free -no feats, classes, traits or prestige classes needed- then everyone, literally everyone, would have them and we'd be playing Golden Compass characters.
Well, I'm fairly certain the GM is willing to venture beyond the rules, if he is going to let you play a cat, he is going to let it function as permanent Wildshape, he's going to let you tell others to craft in order to make magic items, and he is going to tell you you have to change gender to do it.
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There is another option. There is a 3.5 race called the Tibbit. They are basically halfings that can assume the form of a cat almost indefinitely.
only female cats have multiple colorings.
Uh... what? I think my childhood cat who was a black and white cat would be interested to know he was a female cat. Unless, you mean something different about "multiple colorings" like maybe calico?
However, even if you DO mean calico, male calicos do exist, they are just extremely rare, generally have impaired vitality and are almost always sterile (In fact, they have Klinefelter's Syndrome)
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Sounds like you have a transgender cat and a transspecies cat.
Something important to ask is: why is your character more accepting of a change in species than a change of gender? This is an important thing to know about the character, and should influence your steps forward.
If you conclude that the character's physical gender is such a significant part of his identity (not everyone's is), that it's an issue, then some choices open up.
For example, the character might take on a more shamanic view (see 'two spirit' in Google). They might additional magical knowledge. They might insist on certain pronouns, and so on. They might attempt overcompensating (for a cat this could be interesting) in some ways as well.
OTOH, it depends on your group's level of RP. Just work it out in some way, but and this is important: don't be upset because 'girl.' Be upset because, 'I feel strongly that gender is part of who this character is.'
If you do, also examine how they're handling being an entirely different species, too. It's who the character is now.
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It... it's a cat. Like, how will the sex ever matter?Given that a female felis domesticus, also known as the common house-cat goes into heat everytime she experiences estrus, I'd say it's pretty damn important what sex the cat is & it will matter...
I'd also say your GM is jacking with you and you need to get it resolved.
Out of Character.
On the other side of this, the males get highly aggressive throughout the year. It isn't uncommon for tom cats to die, end up scarred, infected, and so on.
They can easily end up missing eyes, an ear, parts of their skin, and so on from these fights.
This is over both female cats as well as territory, and goes on all year. Territory marking can also get aggressive--from urination and furniture mauling to cat mauling, and so on.
One of the reasons it's suggested to neuter male cats by 6 months of age is not only to reduce population numbers, but because it also curbs their behavior and lengthens their lifespan.
Basically: there are downsides to either feline gender and it's important to cover both.
The larger concern is: discuss with the DM how much the character is influenced by their new instincts.
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Aside from what motivates him to change gender in character, he may simply be uncomfortable with or feel uninterested in playing a gender he is not accustomed to out of character. I play both but I largely prefer male for most of my characters. Some of them have no business being female or are really awkward to imagine a female doing or to sell as a female. If he wants to be a male I think he should play as a male. Nothing worse than ruining his awesome chance at doing a cat and being forced to go beyond the range of his abilities to adapt, grow and be inspired. This is not to say he can't grow and all that or that he cannot exceed whatever his limitations may be. I just don't think that delving into his motives for wanting to play a particular gender is as valid as people are making it. If anything, this strikes me as fundamental human psychology: we play roles we are more comfortable with, understand better and are familiar with. Nobody questions your motive behind playing a martial or a caster or a male unless it directly affects gameplay. And no one judges or questions our inspirations when we want to play out our fantasies in an RPG. If his inspiration is a hulking brute with aggression problems and lockeroom mentality who is brawny and a womanizer, we don't question him choosing to be a dude (evem if he could choose to be a female-most guys have no clue what female locker mentakity is like to try to emulate it). We don't suggest he consider his motivations for having chosen to be a male and not a female then. He's been t-boned in the bad way. What we are really doing now is metagaming how to fix it. From that viewpoint we can worry about motivations in character. But I think that applying it before that is silly and hypocritical, probably.
On an unrelated note, that book was trippy, movie was waaaaay toned down from the book
Did not like the ending of the third one, uug depressing, and it didn't even fit with the rest of the story it was just stab everyone in the heart crit sneak attack to the feels
Considering the series was essentially a Theology of Dark Matter/Theoretical Physics, I would have to disagree with you. I thought it, the ending, was quite fitting with the rest of the series. On the other hand, you might be consoled if you read the novella/sequel 'Lyra's Oxford.' Or you might not.
Personally, I doubt there will be another movie, particularly considering they conveniently skipped over the bridge between the end of the first book & the beginning of the second.Which was really depressing/hit you in the feels when you get right down to it...
Just out of curiosity, why did you want to be a cat in the first place? We're you a bit concerned with little things like not having hands?
Furries are a real thing.
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No, pretty sure that's rules. If there is a way to get a familiar for free -no feats, classes, traits or prestige classes needed- then everyone, literally everyone, would have them and we'd be playing Golden Compass characters.
That sounds like a fun campaign to me. Heck, looking at how many of the iconics already have pets/companions/familiars/mounts, it wouldn't be a big change for them.
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Truth I suppose, but he's now playing a former male human (or other humanoid type) in a female cat's body. I don't think he really has to worry about getting the nuances of female psychology right.
Well, I would add that gender can be a small or a large part of personal identity. It depends on the person/character in question. My experience has been to be wary of storytellers who make changes like this without talking it out with the player in advance.
Beware of psionic cats. They don't need components!
Now I'm imagining a feline soulbolt, shooting beams out of its eyes.
Now that is pretty awesome.
It also reminds me of a 3.5 game I ran where the druid took leadership, and I gave her an awakened cat cohort with levels of psion (nomad)... and mindlink through expanded knowledge.
She really got a kick out of it.
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Personally, I doubt there will be another movie
From what I have read, a particular faith-based organization boycotted the movie which created a less than desirable atmosphere impacting box office performance and resulting in a bit of development hell for the series which at this point means no sequel. All of the children from the film have grown up substantially, some aren't kids anymore. So the best we could hope for now is a remake which might actually be faithful to the material it is derived from if we can keep certain faith-based organizations from interfering with free speech (and a free speech organization was involved over this movie as well).
I rather enjoyed the books, however Steinbekian they may have been.
Either way, I would like to have a familiar for free!
Personally, I doubt there will be another movieFrom what I have read, a particular faith-based organization boycotted the movie which created a less than desirable atmosphere impacting box office performance and resulting in a bit of development hell for the series which at this point means no sequel. All of the children from the film have grown up substantially, some aren't kids anymore. So the best we could hope for now is a remake which might actually be faithful to the material it is derived from if we can keep certain faith-based organizations from interfering with free speech (and a free speech organization was involved over this movie as well).
I rather enjoyed the books, however Steinbekian they may have been.
Either way, I would like to have a familiar for free!
I also heard it didn't do too well in theaters either to begin with.
though it did make me end up reading the series.
all I can say is bike animals.
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There is another option. There is a 3.5 race called the Tibbit. They are basically halfings that can assume the form of a cat almost indefinitely.
I was totally going to mention those! I remember them from the old Dragon Magazine Compendium.
They'd actually be pretty easy to convert over to PF. I'd use Kitsune as a base, who can take a feat to turn into a fox anyway, which is basically the same thing.
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all I can say is bike animals.
Long have I desired to turn This into a thing.
That said... Talk to your GM, OP guy. See if you can't undo the gender swap.
Personally, being of randomized-gender myself on any given day, I'd view it as a wonderful RP opportunity. YMMV.
That said... You may really want to try and change it.. Given the whole.. Heat... Thing...
Should we not piss this pussy off? :p (I kid)
That sounds like a fun campaign to me. Heck, looking at how many of the iconics already have pets/companions/familiars/mounts, it wouldn't be a big change for them.
I tried running one once. Most people got familiars for free, but some(like special NPCs and the player characters) got Eidolons. If you took a class that gave you a familiar or an Eidolon, it instead gave you nothing. No playing a Summoner for two Eidolons, and Eidolom and a familiar, etc.
Everyone had fun, especially when I voiced their Eidolons, or the farmer character's pointy stick got more kills than the kendo sword.
oh that's the holdup,
There's a feat, requires arcane caster level 3+
It's called "obtain familiar"
No, pretty sure that's rules. If there is a way to get a familiar for free -no feats, classes, traits or prestige classes needed- then everyone, literally everyone, would have them and we'd be playing Golden Compass characters.
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First, adjust your character sheet accordingly, as we all know, all housecats are NE.
Furries are a real thing.Just out of curiosity, why did you want to be a cat in the first place? We're you a bit concerned with little things like not having hands?
If this was a furry thing, Catfolk would have been a better, saner option, even with the penalty to the casting stat. My vote goes to "spur-of-the-moment-idea" gone wrong.
The girdle's a cursed item and I doubt it will be that easy to find. The Advanced Class Guide has this new item:
** spoiler omitted **
I'm not against adding this sort of thing into games, but it looks to me that the Girdle is relatively advantageous over the Elixer. The thing about cursed items is that you can get them by making a poor roll trying to make anything related, so if you voluntarily fail a Spellcraft roll, you could grab a Girdle from an attempted Heavyload Belt and save some cash. Also, the Girdle's reuseable so in theory, you could set up a practice with it. However, we get the problem that this could be dispelled, but then you have the reuseable part of the item to come into effect. Just seems weird that the official item for transitioning is less effective than the cursed one, save it's permanency effect.
Also, I'm surprised no one brought up Polymorph Any Object in regard to getting into and out of OP's situation.
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at people who are like "how do they even know?"
only female cats have multiple colorings.
My male Siamese cat, with both dark and light brown fur was female? Learn something every day. :P
I think what you meant is that only female (and the rare XX male) cats are calico.
He misspoke (or was misinformed). Because of feline genetics almost all Calico (official definition of calico being having fur of white, black, and orange (each color can vary by shade)) cats are female. It is extremely rare to have a calico male. Your two-toned cat was not a calico cat.
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Got that Meow Mix song stuck in my head now.
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Got that Meow Mix song stuck in my head now.
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Got that Meow Mix song stuck in my head now.Homer: I know you can read my thoughts, boy: Meow meow meow meow / Meow meow meow meow / Meow meow meow meow-meow meow meow meow meow...
That's a good verbal component for Tongues. For Create Food and Water, I'd go with "YOU can haz cheeseburger and YOU can haz cheeseburger. . !"
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I know you are asking for advice, but you may be able to help me out.
I have a hard time fully understanding those uncomfortable with players playing PCs of a different gender, than their own.
I want to be able to make a better gaming experience for all those I play with, so I want to have some insight.
What, specifically, makes this so uncomfortable?
for the record since apparently people keep bringing it up, yes, i forgot there was a difference between calico and every other cat coloring, in fact, I had forgotten about it being called calico.
I know you are asking for advice, but you may be able to help me out.
I have a hard time fully understanding those uncomfortable with players playing PCs of a different gender, than their own.
I want to be able to make a better gaming experience for all those I play with, so I want to have some insight.
What, specifically, makes this so uncomfortable?
I sort of have an issue with playing female characters. Mostly just female humanoids. for me at least it's having to deal with, I guess relationships and or how people react differently inherently on gender. It's like if you're playing female and you're male (or vice versa) I feel there needs to be a reason, or else it just feels off. Sort of how I feel when things are in the uncanny valley, I don't feel afraid or anything, just on edge.
They think that men and women must inherently act differently as characters.I know you are asking for advice, but you may be able to help me out.
I have a hard time fully understanding those uncomfortable with players playing PCs of a different gender, than their own.
I want to be able to make a better gaming experience for all those I play with, so I want to have some insight.
What, specifically, makes this so uncomfortable?
Even when they are cats. I know it might be funny to have them distracted by yarn balls occasionally might be a bit hard to pass up, but what 'girly' things are you planning to do while you are a cat?
And no, no I do not want to see any links as an answer to that. I have played internet seppuku enough times to have a general gist.
But I have no problems playing characters of either gender. Golarion might be slightly medieval/renaissance inspired, but the devs did not write it to be very gender exclusive, and there are enough examples in setting of either gender gaining frightening degrees of martial and magical prowess for people to think it is impossible to say that 'girls are unsuited for the battlefield' or anything like that.
So why would I need a 'reason'? I don't need much of a reason to play a 4 foot tall alcoholic midget with a beard and obsession with gold. Why would I need the same scrutiny I usually see put towards non-core races just because I want to play a different gender?
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I'm loving the potential NPC interactions. Pleeease tell me your character is the party face. ; )
Wait, the cat's a cleric?! Which deity? The (presumably) first cat cleric of ______. That's got to be worth some kind of boon.
Only for a cleric of Bastet.
or for a Cleric of Isis, Anubis or Osiris, because as the moon goddess, Isis had a connection to nocturnal creatures, and as the gods of the underworld, Anubis and Osiris were associated with having cats as spiritual messengers of sorts.
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I know you are asking for advice, but you may be able to help me out.
I have a hard time fully understanding those uncomfortable with players playing PCs of a different gender, than their own.
I want to be able to make a better gaming experience for all those I play with, so I want to have some insight.
What, specifically, makes this so uncomfortable?
It's different for each person. It's influenced by each culture and each time period you live in. There is no single answer to this question that will apply to everyone. However, males and females have different ways of thinking, different biological motivations and underlying thought patterns which influence how a given life experience will be internalized. When you are a male and make a female character, you're essentially taking a leap into the unknown. This makes it difficult to pretend to be something you're not when your reference points are invariably inaccurate.
The same applies to women playing males. All we can do is infer based on experience or use media clues and cultural contexts.Some guys identify as masculine by nature, are shy, introverted to varying degrees in varying ways. Some guys in that position will find it problematic for them as a person to behave on the opposite end of what they feel or believe is expected of them or acceptable. If you're an insecure male, playing as a female or acting at all can make you uncomfortable. If you're not a risk taker or in knowledgeable about your opposed gender the same can be true/ the permutations for why a given individual or group of people may have difficulty or feel uncomfortable playing a role that is not theirs is effectively innumerable and as varied as the grains of sand on a beach.
I do not feel comfortable playing female characters in some normally masculine roles. It feels disingenuous to the gender and is difficult to imagine it in any practical way. On the other hand there are female characters who I *think* that I understand better and enjoy in some masculine roles. I can never be sure that I am really getting it right (how could I being a male?) Anymore than a woman will be certain to comprehend the nuances of a males core psyche and motivations. There are male characters that I use what I know about females to enrich their personalities and demeanors and vice-versa.
When you ask a person what is it about playing a different gender or gender role that makes them uncomfortable or makes them feel any particular way, you might as well schedule some counseling time if you want to get to the crux of it. It is also no different than asking someone what makes them uncomfortable about being something they're not. Some of us may not be armor-clad heroes and magic wielding villains but we can project who we are into who we want to be. Some guys never want to be a girl and some girls never want to be a guy. If you are one of them, you probably have a pretty good reason then for not wanting to project yourself as something you simply do not want to be.
I don't know if any of this helped you or not.
They think that men and women must inherently act differently as characters.
Well, we are inherently different. Different hormones, different brain development, different physical world experiences due to different body types, different ways of thinking, different emotional responses, different in a lot of ways that I have not mentioned. And while some are subtle and some are less than subtle, they add up when you are trying to imagine the subjective view of another. It's one thing if we were all the same gender pretending to bridge the gap between different regular experiences but now we are adding psychology and biology and years of the two interesting and influencing every society and all of pur development and perceptions. For some people that's a heck of a leap. In most cases, superficially speaking, men and women act more or less the same. But once you start to dig even a little bit beneath the surface let alone ask about motivation or attempt to predict future actions, most of us just don't know. A woman is not very likely to grasp why a male will react a certain way or how a male might come to a conclusion and a course of action in many situations. A male is just as unlikely to understand where a woman is coming from when she makes a decision based on stimulai and can only guess at what her underlying motivations or feelings are. We're all approximating based on experience and how comfortable we are delving into the unknown or what we think we know.
I don't want to derail this in how much the genders are different. They are-quite dramatically. So go look up the science if you are of another mindset or in disagreement (it's really fascinating how different we are and yet so similar). I'd be happy to discuss on a separate thread.
But in truth, the genders do act differently with plenty of exceptions and overlap. Some people role play the overlap (it's all they understand of the other gender) while others role play the opposite gender as their own (is a male role playing a female as a male) because they only understand their own gender. I've seen female role players approximate how dumb and macho a guy can be so well that I laughed and loved it. I've seen guys play females utterly unlike any female I'd ever heard of or imagined and not in a flattering way. I've seen females play males poorly and thought 'almost no guy would do that-sigh'.
So you may be right in regards to how some folks look at it. But don't assume that any given group of members of any gender is thinking a certain way about their approach to playing another gender. It is far more complex and insidious than that.
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Furries are a real thing.Just out of curiosity, why did you want to be a cat in the first place? We're you a bit concerned with little things like not having hands?
And as delightful as it is to bash them, they are not this thing. Furries have no interest in animals—they are focused solely on animal-people.
the stigma surrounding furries, isn't much difference from the stigma surrounding bronies or the stigma surrounding individuals of the loligoth fandom or even any different from the stigma surrounding the monster girl fandom. while all 4 fandoms get a bad reputation that demonizes their members as sick minded perverts, i can say, that while overly defensive about their fandoms and highly devoted, most of the bronies, loligoths, monster girl lovers or furries i met at conventions in Nevada were actually nice people and nothing like the perverts the internet makes them out to be.