If a PC has carnal relations with an undead, is it necrophelia?
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Yes.
Edit: If the PC is aware that the person he/she has carnal relations to is undead, it it necrophilia.
If they dont, it´s something the other PC ´s brings up at the tavern to embarras him/her.
"Hey Merlin, remember that time you banged that zombie?"
"SHE WAS A VAMPIRE AND I WAS UNDER A DOMINATION SPELL!"
"Hey, whatever get´s you off man, just keep away from the graveyard!"
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Not if it is a paladin who worships asmodeus
Indubitably. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. Some undead are intelligent some aren't etc, Hell, one of the ghostbusters got a little ghost BJ action. Necrophilia? I'll leave that up to you.
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Hey, if it's good enough for Demi Moore....
I wouldn't say no to a ghost Patrick Swayze.
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If mindless: Yes
If Sapient consenting adult: No
I'll be a little more specific. If a Druid fornicates with a vampire would it go against the natural order enough to revoke druid status?
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Don't think of it as necrophilia. Think of it as post-mortem love.
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If a PC has carnal relations with an undead, is it necrophelia?
I think it would technically be Zombiphilia. Followed by 'What the hell is wrong with you, get the f*** out of my house'.
I'll be a little more specific. If a Druid fornicates with a vampire would it go against the natural order enough to revoke druid status?
Can't see any reason why it would.
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Depends on your definition of necrophilia and probably on the type of undead.
But mostly I have to post because the title gave me flashbacks to a game in college that gave rise to the question:
Is a zombie screwing a corpse necrophilia?
What the f#$* kind of games do you play?
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In City of Strangers, there are a few lines about undead prostitutes. Specifically, there's a brothel in Ankar-Te called The White Lady that specializes in undead courtesans. (page 10)
Kind of makes me think of the Alice Cooper song "Cold Ethyl."
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There's nothing like a cold woman on a warm night.
Eh, it depends on whether the attraction is because of their resemblance to a corpse, or despite it. Using some of the spells and items available in the game, such as gentle repose and unguent of revivification, intelligent undead who want to appear alive could maintain their bodies in a state of preservation almost identical to life.
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To quote a player of mine: "No. If they're hot."
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This thread won't end well.
To quote a lame quip about vampires - "Is it necrophilia if the dead make a pass at you first?"
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Rule of thumb is that if you have to ask if something is *insert fetish*, odds are, it is in fact, *insert fetish*.
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I would say no as necrophilia is sex with the dead...which is technically a different state than being undead. I think we need to coin a new 'philia' here.
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Zaonecrophilia?
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Necrophilia is the attraction to dead bodies. Having sex with a dead body is a necrophiliac act. Specifically, if someone has sex with a dead body, for whatever reason, it still doesn't mean necessarily that the person is a necrophile. That only happens if they are attracted to it. It may sound like splitting hairs, and I agree it is unlikely that anyone would, but there is a distinction and it is important to make.
A mindless undead is an object. As stated in the Book of Erotic Fantasy, having sex with a skeleton or zombie is usually masturbation. Other undead may be capable of giving consent. The classic example is the vampire.
It may be that someone desires a sexual partner specifically because it is undead, but a dead body would do nothing for him or her. In that case, I would call the sexual preference anecrophilia. Someone having sex with a vampire for some other reason than its undeadness (she's hot, he used to be my husband, whatever) could be neither a necrophile or an anecrophile.
I'll be a little more specific. If a Druid fornicates with a vampire would it go against the natural order enough to revoke druid status?
I have ruled before that necromantic items and effects are "not natchy" and would result in loss of druidic abilities because it grossly violates a Druid's bond with the natural world (As with something like necrophelia). I'm trying to an outside perspective regarding consensual copulation between a druid 6 and a Vampire Sorcerer 19. Does anyone else think this crosses some kind of ethical boundary for a druid?
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Hmm. I say. That the necrophilia portion of this discussion is moot as the real question is whether or not the druid would lose their abilities. I would suggest that one's sex drive is a part of the natural order, regardless of what your attracted to. Thus, accepting yourself for who you are, (not necessarily acting on those instincts but accepting them) would not cause one to lose their druid abilities.
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I'll be a little more specific. If a Druid fornicates with a vampire would it go against the natural order enough to revoke druid status?I have ruled before that necromantic items and effects are "not natchy" and would result in loss of druidic abilities because it grossly violates a Druid's bond with the natural world (As with something like necrophelia). I'm trying to an outside perspective regarding consensual copulation between a druid 6 and a Vampire Sorcerer 19. Does anyone else think this crosses some kind of ethical boundary for a druid?
I would probably not rule so...but than again I don't look for things to violated Druids (or Paladins, or Clerics, etc) oaths and such. It would really depend on the situation.
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If you see undead as violations of the natural order—yes. Unless there's a reason other than "recreational", a druid having sex with someone she knows to be a vampire is about as un-okay as it gets.
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In the city of Rhandilinskenburg, prior to its collapse, it was a well known "secret" that many wealthy people visited brothels where the practice of being "entertained" by necromechadons was quite the rage.
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I'll be a little more specific. If a Druid fornicates with a vampire would it go against the natural order enough to revoke druid status?I have ruled before that necromantic items and effects are "not natchy" and would result in loss of druidic abilities because it grossly violates a Druid's bond with the natural world (As with something like necrophelia). I'm trying to an outside perspective regarding consensual copulation between a druid 6 and a Vampire Sorcerer 19. Does anyone else think this crosses some kind of ethical boundary for a druid?
I figure druids can be liches or vampires, so it's okee dokee.
I'm used to Slaine: The Horned God's Weird Slough Feg
and the idea that death is a part of nature, so the whole undead/druid thing doesn't bother me really. Now, whether or not it's a scuzzy thing to do, that's another question; I don't reckon they need an atonement spell though.
If you capture all the fey in a valley and suck their souls out to give to a demon lord......yeah, that's "lose your powers" time.
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I'll be a little more specific. If a Druid fornicates with a vampire would it go against the natural order enough to revoke druid status?I have ruled before that necromantic items and effects are "not natchy" and would result in loss of druidic abilities because it grossly violates a Druid's bond with the natural world (As with something like necrophelia). I'm trying to an outside perspective regarding consensual copulation between a druid 6 and a Vampire Sorcerer 19. Does anyone else think this crosses some kind of ethical boundary for a druid?
Since the state of undeath is antithetic to nature in your setting:
"Ceases to revere nature" is entirely GM fiat in this instance. Is the vampire's presence harmful to the natural world in a local sense? Does the vampire prey on nearby wildlife or fey? Has the vampire been creating undead animals (by spawn or by spell)? Is the druid's player looking for some way to redeem or cure the vampire?
If the player just wants tabletop-cred for banging a vampire, I'd temporarily cripple the druid's powers for the next twenty four hours. If they attempt to discover why their powers were lost--in character--let them know that peaceful contact with the undead can occasionally interfere with their druidic powers. If they express a desire to help the vampire, through whatever means, work out some side quest to reduce the undead to some kind of dhampir state.
If they get fussy after you explain and don't bother to understand what happened, just tell them that they'll always lose their powers for twenty four hours again if any more positive-to-negative connections are made.
Be fair, but don't let them run over you.
I do kind of like the idea of an ex-druid (blighter?) NPC who lost his/her powers by being seduced by a vampire. Kinda like how the paladin-succubus thing works, y'know?
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yes it is always sad when a succubus loses her status because she falls in love with a paladin.
THAT would be an interesting turn of events, and one I might remember for future games.
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My initial thought is 'yes BUT' inasmuch that the subject of the attention is functionally dead at the time (vampires in their coffins by day for example), but now it's got me thinking about the subject.
In the event of intimate relations with a possessed person do we go by the body or the soul? What of the earlier mentioned Ghostbusters example? While less of an issue due to alignment tendencies in Golarion specifically, would a suitably vain lich with perpetual Gentle Repose who hhadn't yet fully shifted to evil still be an issue?
The possession example brings to mind some manner of cult that reunites loved ones for a short time for pay in service to their deity with the stipulations that they can only do so as long as the loved ones are still in the equivalent of Pharasma's queue.
I was going to follow up with whether or not, in a similar vein, if 8th is bestiality with a centaur, or a dragon, or with most shape changers, but the clarification of question takes this from general speculation to specific cause and effect, so I will leave off there.
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My initial thought is 'yes BUT' inasmuch that the subject of the attention is functionally dead at the time (vampires in their coffins by day for example), but now it's got me thinking about the subject.
In the event of intimate relations with a possessed person do we go by the body or the soul? What of the earlier mentioned Ghostbusters example? While less of an issue due to alignment tendencies in Golarion specifically, would a suitably vain lich with perpetual Gentle Repose who hhadn't yet fully shifted to evil still be an issue?
The possession example brings to mind some manner of cult that reunites loved ones for a short time for pay in service to their deity with the stipulations that they can only do so as long as the loved ones are still in the equivalent of Pharasma's queue.
I was going to follow up with whether or not, in a similar vein, if 8th is bestiality with a centaur, or a dragon, or with most shape changers, but the clarification of question takes this from general speculation to specific cause and effect, so I will leave off there.
Actually while trying to look up a term for undead lover I found that my Ghostbusters example is flawed, sexuality with a ghost would be spectrophilia
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intercourse with a vampire wouldn't cost a druid their powers at my table. sex is natural, and many animals engage in recreational sexual practices to assert dominance. wolves forcefully penetrate lesser wolves to show they are still the head of the pack. dogs, cats and a variety of other mammals have been shown to have recreational intercourse as a means to relieve frustration, even after being surgically fixed. i have a spayed female cat who captain kirks everything, offering her body to every other feline, because she needs to over come her frustration. so recreational intercourse with a vampire, isn't an issue, peaceful contact with unnatural beings isn't ceasing to revere nature, you can still revere nature while interacting with unnatural, and even supernatural beings. and natural for one plane, is different from natural for another. so in a sense, if seducing an unnaturally occuring entity was a gross violation of the druid class, then no druid could ever take a fey lover, nor could they take a lover of any race but their own, because fey are unnatural and creepy while hybrids are abominations.
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Necrophilia is morally wrong because you're having sex with, well, a corpse. An object incapable of giving consent, but an object...so what really makes it wrong is that you're defiling a corpse. Messing with someone's stuff when they aren't around to object or say "Yeah, okay."
So...it depends on the undead in question. Having sex with a zombie is necrophilia. Having sex with a vampire is, well, having sex. Having sex with a lich or ghoul is likewise sex and not necrophilia per se...though pretty creepy nonetheless given what they generally look like.
A Druid should be penalized for having sex with a vampire only if you'd penalize them for masturbating or having non-procreative sex, since it's no less natural than, say, oral sex (which is actually common among orangutans...).
Necrophilia is morally wrong because you're having sex with, well, a corpse. An object incapable of giving consent, but an object...so what really makes it wrong is that you're defiling a corpse. Messing with someone's stuff when they aren't around to object or say "Yeah, okay."
So...it depends on the undead in question. Having sex with a zombie is necrophilia. Having sex with a vampire is, well, having sex. Having sex with a lich or ghoul is likewise sex and not necrophilia per se...though pretty creepy nonetheless given what they generally look like.
A Druid should be penalized for having sex with a vampire only if you'd penalize them for masturbating or having non-procreative sex, since it's no less natural than, say, oral sex (which is actually common among orangutans...).
recreational sex is also common among most wild canines or felines.
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Necrophilia is morally wrong because you're having sex with, well, a corpse. An object incapable of giving consent, but an object...so what really makes it wrong is that you're defiling a corpse. Messing with someone's stuff when they aren't around to object or say "Yeah, okay."
So...it depends on the undead in question. Having sex with a zombie is necrophilia. Having sex with a vampire is, well, having sex. Having sex with a lich or ghoul is likewise sex and not necrophilia per se...though pretty creepy nonetheless given what they generally look like.
A Druid should be penalized for having sex with a vampire only if you'd penalize them for masturbating or having non-procreative sex, since it's no less natural than, say, oral sex (which is actually common among orangutans...).
No. Again, you are talking about necrophiliac ACTS, not necrophilia, which is the sexual preference involved when someone is attracted to corpses.
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spectrophilia
brb buying an EMF meter and transfering OKCupid profile to Ouija format
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No. Again, you are talking about necrophiliac ACTS, not necrophilia, which is the sexual preference involved when someone is attracted to corpses.
The question was about the act of sleeping with something undead. So I think such an answer is appropriate in context, even though I may've muddled terminology a bit.
That said, in terms of preference: Sleeping with a vampire or other intelligent undead is necrophilia in the same way that sleeping with a Halfling is pedophilia. If they look like a corpse, make that the same way as sleeping with a Halfling with the Childlike Feat.
So...possibly in terms of preference, but not at all in terms of morality.
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No. Sleeping with anybody is not anythingphilia. Sexual preferences are just that, sexual preferences. The acts MAY certainly coincide. However, someone attracted to corpses might well feel that a vampire leaves him/her uninterested.
On the topic of pedophilia: It is not all that uncommon that someone committing sexual acts with a child is an expression of pedophilia, but rather pathologic sadism. That person is looking for a victim, whether a child, an elderly, or someone weak or disabled that they can safely terrorize. The important part here is that such a person and a pedophile will likely react in different ways in future situations. Muddling the two is NOT a good idea.
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yes it is always sad when a succubus loses her status because she falls in love with a paladin.THAT would be an interesting turn of events, and one I might remember for future games.
Because that can't be encouraged enough. :)
What happens if they both fall? Now that would be an interesting pair.
Also, i dont think sexual impulses trump druidic ethos. Nor would i consider a vampire inclusive towards necrophilia. Being seductive is a thing with them.
It is not all that uncommon that someone committing sexual acts with a child is NOT an expression of pedophilia, but rather pathologic sadism.
Ftfm.