Just a bitter comment here to indicate that while I can find feminine equivalents to 'warrior', they've all been used as insults over the centuries. How very telling.
Nowadays few women will know what I mean if I call them a virago, a termagant, or a hoyden. But those who do will be a-slappin' on mah face.
One of the interesting things is that "knight" was actually gender-neutral; male knights were called Sir and female nights Dame.
Think about the last time you heard the word "dame" used.
I guess we could use "valkyrie" as a term for a female warrior?
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Is this why broadswords don't exist in Pathfinder?
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Really, isn't a male witch called a Warlock? Does that not apply in pathfinder? Does anyone else find it odd to refer to a character as a gender specific class title? Do you think it odd that out of all the classes only this one is gender specific in name? Apologies for all the question marks but the subject has raised questions. male witch is a witch a male oathbreaker is a warlock
Origin of WARLOCKMiddle English warloghe, from Old English wǣrloga one that breaks faith, the Devil, from wǣr faith, troth + -loga (from lēogan to lie); akin to Old English wǣr true — more at very, lie
First Known Use: 14th century
I'd call them a warlock, no problem. What I have trouble with is female monks.
Wouldn't they be a nun technically? But you can't call them that because when you think f a "nun," you think of catholic monasteries and their white/black get ups. Not the Eastern style fist fighters.
It's weird, but what do you call female monks lol?!
I'd call them a warlock, no problem. What I have trouble with is female monks.
Wouldn't they be a nun technically? But you can't call them that because when you think f a "nun," you think of catholic monasteries and their white/black get ups. Not the Eastern style fist fighters.
It's weird, but what do you call female monks lol?!
You call them monks. The monk class is Asian in how it's structured, while nuns are European.
You call them monks. The monk class is Asian in how it's structured, while nuns are European.I'd call them a warlock, no problem. What I have trouble with is female monks.
Wouldn't they be a nun technically? But you can't call them that because when you think f a "nun," you think of catholic monasteries and their white/black get ups. Not the Eastern style fist fighters.
It's weird, but what do you call female monks lol?!
Are female monks in Asian countries called monks then? Only European female monks are called nuns?
Are female monks in Asian countries called monks then? Only European female monks are called nuns?You call them monks. The monk class is Asian in how it's structured, while nuns are European.I'd call them a warlock, no problem. What I have trouble with is female monks.
Wouldn't they be a nun technically? But you can't call them that because when you think f a "nun," you think of catholic monasteries and their white/black get ups. Not the Eastern style fist fighters.
It's weird, but what do you call female monks lol?!
Monk is pretty much a generic, gender neutral term for a religious ascetic.
Pretty interesting, didn't know these things. And yep, from what I've heard the stereotype is that Asian country citizens are pretty sexist compared to western nations. Again, that's a stereotype. Not necessarily a fact.
I'll just back away slowly now.
Flying nuns would be cool, though...
Really, isn't a male witch called a Warlock? Does that not apply in pathfinder? Does anyone else find it odd to refer to a character as a gender specific class title? Do you think it odd that out of all the classes only this one is gender specific in name? Apologies for all the question marks but the subject has raised questions.
The real question is what are transgender witches called?
Really, isn't a male witch called a Warlock? Does that not apply in pathfinder? Does anyone else find it odd to refer to a character as a gender specific class title? Do you think it odd that out of all the classes only this one is gender specific in name? Apologies for all the question marks but the subject has raised questions.The real question is what are transgender witches called?
Watches? Wirlocks? The ones with one foot on the land and one foot in the sea?
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I'm not sure why a male witch or a female monk would need a different term (or even a gender descriptor unless their gender is somehow relevant to the conversation) any more than a male nurse or a female pilot--or anyone else in a profession/hobby/role that's often assumed to be one gender or the other--needs a separate term. Male or female, a monk is a monk. A pilot's a pilot. A witch is a witch. A nurse is a nurse.
Also, in Harry Potter lore at least a male is a wizard and a female is a witch. Ideally this makes good sense to use. But the class structure in pathfinder makes such a distinction implausible in game.
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Really, isn't a male witch called a Warlock? Does that not apply in pathfinder? Does anyone else find it odd to refer to a character as a gender specific class title? Do you think it odd that out of all the classes only this one is gender specific in name? Apologies for all the question marks but the subject has raised questions.The real question is what are transgender witches called?
Awesome.
Are female monks in Asian countries called monks then? Only European female monks are called nuns?You call them monks. The monk class is Asian in how it's structured, while nuns are European.I'd call them a warlock, no problem. What I have trouble with is female monks.
Wouldn't they be a nun technically? But you can't call them that because when you think f a "nun," you think of catholic monasteries and their white/black get ups. Not the Eastern style fist fighters.
It's weird, but what do you call female monks lol?!
European monk orders never allowed women at all; not even to the degree the Asian ones do. The nun orders were created as a counterpart, but not an equal counterpart. That's why there are no European depictions of female monks or male nuns.
I'm not sure why a male witch or a female monk would need a different term (or even a gender descriptor unless their gender is somehow relevant to the conversation) any more than a male nurse or a female pilot--or anyone else in a profession/hobby/role that's often assumed to be one gender or the other--needs a separate term. Male or female, a monk is a monk. A pilot's a pilot. A witch is a witch. A nurse is a nurse.I suspect it's because many male players have a problem with taking the name of a class that's associated with women. given Western history and all. For most of our history in which the word was invented and used, the definition of witch was a woman who found herself on the wrong side of a witchhunt.
Oh, so you're saying they feel uncomfortable playing a type of character that's usually portrayed as being of a different gender than they are?
I'm not sure why a male witch or a female monk would need a different term (or even a gender descriptor unless their gender is somehow relevant to the conversation) any more than a male nurse or a female pilot--or anyone else in a profession/hobby/role that's often assumed to be one gender or the other--needs a separate term. Male or female, a monk is a monk. A pilot's a pilot. A witch is a witch. A nurse is a nurse.
True, but that is a very modern way of doing things. As in, a while postwar. Golarion might work differently than our world, but the question concerns the Pathfinder ruleset, not Golarion. Also, it raises an interesting question about what people will actually be called in-game. Still, I am with you that it is unnecessary. That's why I made up all those silly names.
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I'm not sure why a male witch or a female monk would need a different term (or even a gender descriptor unless their gender is somehow relevant to the conversation) any more than a male nurse or a female pilot--or anyone else in a profession/hobby/role that's often assumed to be one gender or the other--needs a separate term. Male or female, a monk is a monk. A pilot's a pilot. A witch is a witch. A nurse is a nurse.True, but that is a very modern way of doing things. As in, a while postwar. Golarion might work differently than our world, but the question concerns the Pathfinder ruleset, not Golarion. Also, it raises an interesting question about what people will actually be called in-game. Still, I am with you that it is unnecessary. That's why I made up all those silly names.
Personally, I loved some of your silly names. And, I learned something from the serious discussion they provoked.
That said, there actually is a class in Pathfinder where the name of the class varies by gender: The sorcerer, which has a feminine variant of "sorceress."
Within modern English, there actually is a feminine form of "wizard" that exists: Wizardess. There's also the concept of a druidess. Note that both of those words came into existence in the post-DnD era and are heavily influenced by it. So even though the classes are meant to be neutral, the language itself is evolving to create a gender binary for them.
So even though the topic question is silly, it's still a silliness that is reflecting ongoing changes within English itself that have been caused by games like this.
Interestingly, I will say that "witch" seems to be a word moving towards being gender-neutral. But, that's a result of religions like Wicca making a point to claim the word and spread the idea that it is neutral.
A quick search suggests "sorceress" does not appear a single time in the PRD.
It probably doesn't, no. It still doesn't change the fact that it's a word used for female sorcerers, and it's pretty common.
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I'm not sure why a male witch or a female monk would need a different term (or even a gender descriptor unless their gender is somehow relevant to the conversation) any more than a male nurse or a female pilot--or anyone else in a profession/hobby/role that's often assumed to be one gender or the other--needs a separate term. Male or female, a monk is a monk. A pilot's a pilot. A witch is a witch. A nurse is a nurse.I suspect it's because many male players have a problem with taking the name of a class that's associated with women. given Western history and all. For most of our history in which the word was invented and used, the definition of witch was a woman who found herself on the wrong side of a witchhunt.
Note: In addition to the "Why should they care?" thing...as noted in this thread earlier, this statement is factually incorrect. The word was, in fact, originally used for men far more often than women. Just to be clear.
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I can no longer read or hear that response without Amy Pond coming to mind.Out of character:
"What class are you, man?"
"Oh, just a witch, no archetype."
In character:
"Gods...what...what are you?"
*smiles sadly* "I'm complicated."
For me, it brings to mind Dorian Gray in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
You don't want to know what I call male witches in game; it's NSFW.
A quick search suggests "sorceress" does not appear a single time in the PRD.
No, but it is used for products found outside the PRD on this very website.
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A quick search suggests "sorceress" does not appear a single time in the PRD.
And Seoni is the Iconic Sorcerer. Not the Iconic Sorceress, Sorcerette, She-Sorcerer or Sorcerer-Girl.
Doesn't look like 3.X used the term 'sorceress' to describe female sorcerers either, either in the class description or in the few write ups I have spotted in random books lying within reach.
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A quick search suggests "sorceress" does not appear a single time in the PRD.No, but it is used for products found outside the PRD on this very website.
Yeah, but those are neither Paizo-created products, nor references to it as a game term.
Yeah, but those are neither Paizo-created products, nor references to it as a game term.A quick search suggests "sorceress" does not appear a single time in the PRD.No, but it is used for products found outside the PRD on this very website.
Seoni is called a sorceress in her Meet The Iconics blog post.
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Are you guys for real? =)
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