Flash could easily kill the entire league before anyone could even react except superman. And then he could kill superman because he's faster.
Unless he's got a kryptonite shiv, I don't see Flash being able to put much of a dent in the Man of Steel.
Unless he's got a kryptonite shiv, I don't see Flash being able to put much of a dent in the Man of Steel.
Flash could easily kill the entire league before anyone could even react except superman. And then he could kill superman because he's faster.
Even Superman isn't immune to having every molecule in his body vibrated at different speeds.
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Unless he's got a kryptonite shiv, I don't see Flash being able to put much of a dent in the Man of Steel.
Flash could easily kill the entire league before anyone could even react except superman. And then he could kill superman because he's faster.
He could phase through his chest and disintegrate his heart.
Even Superman isn't immune to having every molecule in his body vibrated at different speeds.Unless he's got a kryptonite shiv, I don't see Flash being able to put much of a dent in the Man of Steel.
Flash could easily kill the entire league before anyone could even react except superman. And then he could kill superman because he's faster.
Or getting hit by someone who can approach light speed.
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Or getting hit by someone who can approach light speed.Even Superman isn't immune to having every molecule in his body vibrated at different speeds.Unless he's got a kryptonite shiv, I don't see Flash being able to put much of a dent in the Man of Steel.
Flash could easily kill the entire league before anyone could even react except superman. And then he could kill superman because he's faster.
Of course, the impact of such a hit would be enough to leave a crater hundreds of miles across and be an extinction event the like of Chicxulub, but we'll ignore that because of the speed force.
Of course, the impact of such a hit would be enough to leave a crater hundreds of miles across and be an extinction event the like of Chicxulub, but we'll ignore that because of the speed force.
Not to mention that when two objects collide, they both feel it. Flash striking Superman's supertough body at any kind of speed should at minimum shatter Flash's bones from fist to shoulder, but again...speed force.
I get that he generates a bit of a deflector shield around himself when he runs, so he doesn't suffer wind burn or get bugs in his teeth, but it's hard to accept that shield passes all the outgoing force from his fist but completely stops all backlash from the impact of punching something. If that were the case, and he ran face first into a wall without vibrating, then depending on the force generated by accelerating his mass toward the wall, he'd either smash through it or simply be stopped without harm to himself.
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Speed Force is crack anyway. He doesn't push the air in front of him and generate friction and burn up, and yet can run around and make whirlwinds because... why again? If he's not interacting with the air in the room, he's not interacting with the air in the room, after all, but it seems like he interacts with whatever he wants to interact with, only in so much as it suits his personal desire of the moment, and then conveniently doesn't the rest of the time (running by people without the shockwave rupturing all of their organs, blowing out every window in his path of destruction, grabbing people or things at superspeed without shearing his arms and hands clean off his body, etc.).
It's comic book science. He'll hurt Superman if the plot requires him to be able to hurt Superman because Speed Force and molecules and friction and vibrations (at least three of which the writer knows nothing about, and the fourth being made up and inconsistently applied), and the writer will magically remember that Superman is invulnerable to anything Flash can do, at any speed (since Supes himself can move at lightspeed, which physics applied just as inconsistently, without even a Speed Force!), only if the plot calls for that instead.
Like Ant-Man or Atom's shrinking, which are also crazy impossible, I just wave my hand and ignore it, and concentrate on whether or not the story is fun or not.
Flash *should* be able to kill half the League before they even know they're in a fight (and flat out unable to hurt Superman...). Ditto his evil counterparts like Johnny Quick (of the Crime Syndicate), Zoom or Reverse-Flash. Even more so any of the fiddy billion evil Supermen (Bizzaro, Zod, Ultraman, Black Adam, who is more of an evil Captain Marvel, but still...). And yet when they run into those guys, they have historically been more likely to pair off with the dudes who mirror-match them (Superman vs. Ultraman, Flash vs. Johnny Quick, Green Lantern vs. Power Ring, etc.) and so we never really get to see how terrifying (or impotent!) one of these heroes could be against people who aren't exactly equal to them.
Who wins if X fights Y? Pretty much always, whoever the writer wanted to win. It's mostly good for internet fights.
He could phase through his chest and disintegrate his heart.Unless he's got a kryptonite shiv, I don't see Flash being able to put much of a dent in the Man of Steel.
Flash could easily kill the entire league before anyone could even react except superman. And then he could kill superman because he's faster.
Might be harder to do to Sups than other. I recall Batman saying Sup has a higher density than humans, plus there is the invulnerability field.
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Not sure if the field is still canon. Post-CoIE it was a field but we've had 2 or 3 reboots since then so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Who here read Flash comics or watches the TV show for a physics lesson? Anyone?
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Ok, so then why? Cuz of the one cartoon bit someone linked to on this thread. All the other heroes are like "ok Flash, you got info from your rogue. Aren't you going to turn them into the police or something?" To this Flash shrugs, gives the guy a good talk and encourages his villain to get some professional help but in a completely non-douche, compassionate kind of way.
You read Batman for darkness, Green Lantern for super cops, Superman because your grampa did and you read Flash because... He's a genuinely nice guy. Even Wally West, the snarky 90's re-boot at his core really just wanted good things for the world.
Frankly the above was why I always gravitated toward Marvel. Spidey, some of the X-men, at least back in the 80's and 90's, they weren't defined by angst or one-dimensional like the Dark Knight or the Man of Steel. Spidey was just some kid from a middling background trying to be a good man in a tough town; Nightcrawler and Kitty Pryde openly questioned themselves, their villains, and everyone else trying to figure out WHY things were bad.
That's why I loved the Killing Joke. Not because it was a bad-a graphic with violence and craziness. Its cuz at the end Batman finally broke the mold and says to Joker something like "one of these days we're going to kill each other! I don't want that; maybe there's a better way..."
Flash has been pushing that for years.
The only thing so far that bugs me about the TV show is the super-jail in the Pipeline. I hope they move toward a Flash who has conversations with his foes and tries to offer real rehabilitation. Not every villain in the Flash stayed a villain. The show's already started that with Captain Cold; let's see more of that.
I'm not overly trilled with the current -solution- to these
I'll give Barry (but not Jay) a pass on this one because
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Yeah....
Although, I have seen a Flash take extreme measures to stop a bad guy. Some of the fights between Wally and his stable of villains got downright nasty. The way he defeated Hunter Zoloman Zoom the first time was pretty harsh. And let's not forget what he did to Inertia after Bart Flash's death.
And, so far, each new villain is an evil version of someone from the Justice Society. Except Zoom - he sort of comes across (to me) as the bastard love child of Rival and (Hunter) Zoom.
That closing shot of Earth 2 Harrison Wells - I wonder if they're going for him being Zoom. It would be an interesting parallel to what was going on in Earth 1. That he was Rival, went through a similar "now I'm stuck in the past" fight with Jay Garrick, killed the Earth 2 Dr. Wells and took his place, creates the accident that gave Jay his powers, hilarity ensues.
Don't kill Martin! He's too damn awesome!
Finally, loved that little homage shot to the original Flash of Two Worlds cover.
Interesting points...and...
Still, I don't think alternate Wells is Zoom. I suspect that the existence of a good-guy Wells is why Thawne/Wells confessed. Now, should something bring alternate/Wells to 'Earth-1' no one will trust him and he's wanted for murder. Very convenient if he's the only one who knows how to close the dimensional wormholes.
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Well. Thank you CW for Shantel VanSanten
And I'm also quite sure that Caitlin is not the only one tossing moon eyes at Teddy Sears
Also Keiynan Lonsdale as Wally West....already?
Oviously he's booked for the entire second season.
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I saw Joe's ex(?) but didn't see Wally anywhere; yet IMDB lists him as having appeared in the Flash of Two Worlds episode?
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I'll give Barry (but not Jay) a pass on this one ...but it's got to stop! Where's the Barry who would risk releasing all those enemies rather than see them die?
I don't think Barry should be given a pass, on either Atom Smasher or Sand Demon. Both instances strike me as, at best, reckless homicide and at worst premeditated murder. He set out in advance to attack each Earth-2 villain in a specific way that could reasonably be expected to kill them. He did it without hesitation or visible remorse. And no one has called him on it.
I spent a good deal of the first season or two of Arrow -- a show I do enjoy -- complaining that Ollie was literally getting away with murder, and simply deciding to do better in the future didn't erase those past crimes. Now I'm afraid I'm going to have similar issues with Barry.
It was bad enough he and the gang were running their own supermax prison at STAR Labs, denying captured metahumans any semblance of due process. Up to a point I could see that as a necessary evil given that CCPD couldn't have held onto most of them...but what's the longterm plan? No trial, just endless incarceration? The plan to transfer them to Lian Yu was a good use of crossover storylines, but (a) it didn't work out well and (b) it's still indefinite detainment without trial.
The justice system in the Arrowverse needs to catch up with metahumans PDQ.
Meantime, Barry, stop killing people!
Not to mention in episode 2 they say Iron Heights can now house metahumans
Yes, Hulu.
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AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! For some reason, my stupid DVR decided to cancel the recording of this series. F@!@ S!+@ F+!# S~@$!!! Now I've got to try and watch last night's episode on the computer, since dumbass CW doesn't offer their shows On Demand. F+!*ing dumbasses.
That's really weird because I can watch it On Demand the next day. Which I'm going to have do a lot of now due to my work schedule.
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AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! For some reason, my stupid DVR decided to cancel the recording of this series. F@!@ S!+@ F+!# S~@$!!! Now I've got to try and watch last night's episode on the computer, since dumbass CW doesn't offer their shows On Demand. F+!*ing dumbasses.That's really weird because I can watch it On Demand the next day. Which I'm going to have do a lot of now due to my work schedule.
Indeed, very weird. I cannot explain it, other than some U-Verse oddity.
It's all good though. I was able to watch it during my lunch hour at work.
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As previously mentioned, finally watched the new episode....
Not to mention, the chick who plays Lisa is seriously hot. Cisco, you lucky dog.
Looks like we'll be getting a new Firestorm. Although, from what I've read, it won't be Jason Rusch. I think that's a mistake. That character was already introduced, and already had a connection to Stein and his research. Why bring in someone new?
And I like what they're doing with Iris' mom so far. I thought for sure she'd have been off involved in some clandestine s%&#. This is much more....normal. It's refreshing.
I'm glad they didn't just toss Linda Park into limbo. Nice to see her around and friendly with Iris. Maybe she'll get to hook up with Wally when he shows up.
Lastly, WTF, Wells? Go away! You're probably evil again.
As previously mentioned, finally watched the new episode....
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IIRC, the original non-stein half of Firestorm had scheduling conflicts.
I mean I assume Earth 2 Welles is the actual Welles, not Thawn impersonating him. So I assume he will be a good guy, but no doubt the fact he is the double of last season's big bad will cause all sorts of hilarity.
It would also be a nice contrast if Zoom is the Earth 2 version of Eddie...which is kind of my guess.
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** spoiler omitted **As previously mentioned, finally watched the new episode....
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Vendor - Fantasiapelit Tampere
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I really liked this episode, I in general enjoy everything with Captain Cold in it. That guy is great.
But I also want again point out how great actor Jesse L. Martin is. That man can act.This episode showed it again. And that scene was handled well, with Iris taking it well instead of cliched angry pouting. Kudos.
Cold hams it up amazingly whenever he is on screen. I'm not sure if I could call it great acting, but it IS enjoyable. The guy seems to have embraced the absurdity.
As well he should have, since he (like most Flash villains) is pretty absurd, in the best way.
I still love that episode of Justice League that follows the Flash around his daily patrols and whatnot.
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But I also want again point out how great actor Jesse L. Martin is. That man can act.This episode showed it again. And that scene was handled well, with Iris taking it well instead of cliched angry pouting. Kudos.
He is one of the other big reasons I love this show. I've liked him ever since he was on Law and Order.
Okay, but...
Matthew Morris, I had the same idea!
The writing on this show is really getting good. It embraces the silliness, but still manages to be serious enough to make sure you care about it. I like that the characters interact with each other like real people. The Iris thing is a good example.
It compares well against Arrow and the characters lying to each other for absolutely no reason.
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RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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And now I'm wondering if Zoom is an evil version of Barry