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Hey, it destroyed one of Barry's jackets once too, so at least it wasn't from nowhere.
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Nice episode.....
I thought the flashbacks were a bit lame, even the one with Joe. And the whole sparking thing between Iris and Barry - LAME!
However, one thing of note in the Thawne flashback: With Barry lying there unconscious, and Eobard waxing eloquent about the irony of helping to create the hero he hates so much, it sounded like he said he still would never forgive Barry. I'll be interested to see what that's all about.
It was nice to see, however, that not only did Eobard outsmart all of them, but that he can finally stop pretending to be something he's not and just embrace his a#%~~@&-ness. Although, as much as I like Tom Cavanagh, I wish they'd go back to Thawne's original face.
I look forward to seeing how RF uses Eddie as his "insurance".
I'm really looking forward to next week's episode - GRODD!!!!!
I felt like a dope when I remembered that we saw in episode one that Wells had a camera setup in Barry's lab and then completely forgot about it.
Join the club!
OK, some questions that occurred to me in the wake of last night's episode:
Did Gideon lie when it said:
The 'insurance' comment:
Given my track record so far, though, the safest bet might be none of the ideas I've come up with. ;P
What happens if Eddie is killed? What happens if Eddie says "First thing tomorrow I'm getting a... Vasectomy!"
Does Eobard fade away?
That would be hysterical, actually.
I can see an episode that is a variant of the classic Flash vs. Reverse-Flash battle of Flash #324; they chase each other around the world then as Eobard tries to kill the doctor performing the operation, Barry is forced to break his neck.
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I was kind of put off by the suggestion that Barry will eventually become a genius AI inventor. That's not his skill set. Or Cisco's; he's more of a boy genius mechanical engineer.
I was kind of put off by the suggestion that Barry will eventually become a genius AI inventor. That's not his skill set. Or Cisco's; he's more of a boy genius mechanical engineer.
That's superspeed for you. Infinite time to become an expert on everything ever.
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Love the little teases,
Given that the DC movie universe of Superman and Batman is not the same as the TV show universe of Flash and Arrow, we may get to see *two* different Justice Leagues. That could be cool.
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While it would annoy Jay Garrick fans almost as much as making Barry *the* Flash annoyed us Wally fans in the comics... it would be funny if the TV 'Leauge' called themselves a 'Society' instead.
Yeah, I was never a fan of the way the unceremoniously jettisoned Wally. By that point, he had been the Flash for, what, a little over 20 years?
League or Society, though, I'd be cool with either one.
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WOOT!!!!
The fight between them was cool enough. A bit of the physical, and a bit of the psychic! Although I'm not overly fond of Iris, I did like the way they used Barry's love for her as the key to reinforcing his mind against Grodd's psychic attack.
Grodd! I shall hit you with a train!!!
I was even enjoying the scenes between Eddie and Eobard. I kind of like the way Eddie was standing up to RF (so to speak) and even getting under his skin a bit. I just hope they don't use this future knowledge of Barry and Iris getting married as a way to make Eddie a dick again. I really want him to be a good guy.
I hope to see more of Eiling as someone on the side of the super heroes. As I recall, that's how he started off. He only later became a severe dick.
Edit: Follow-up thought - if Eobard is starting up the Particle Accelerator again, in a effort to get back to his own time, I wonder if the original (pre-Eobard) Accelerator was somehow a key to his origins.
WOOT!!!!
** spoiler omitted **
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I was kind of underwhelmed by Grodd's showing in this episode. After all that build-up I was expectig him to do something, I dunno, significant in any way?
I was kind of underwhelmed by Grodd's showing in this episode. After all that build-up I was expectig him to do something, I dunno, significant in any way?
Honestly, I wasn't.
Grodd always struck me as a one-trick pony who wore out his welcome years ago. I'm actually surprised he's as popular as he is...
I had already guessed there would be no gorilla city or race of super-gorillas... Breaking out of a lab pretty much told he was gonna be yet another monkey experiment gone awry...
The fact that they kept the mental powers and made him more then just a talking brute actually surprised me.
Last night, my wife speculated that now that Eddie knows he's destined to lose Iris, he'll heroically kill himself to keep Eobard from ever being born. That would be an... interesting way to beat him, for sure.
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I was kind of underwhelmed by Grodd's showing in this episode. After all that build-up I was expectig him to do something, I dunno, significant in any way?
But they did note that Grodd was getting smarter. Eventually, I can see him building some pretty whacked out tech, or pulling some genetic manipulation, that would make Cisco and Caitlin blush with envy.
He's been one of my favorites for a long time - I think it was because of that dichotomy of animalistic savagery combined with high intelligence, vast knowledge, and cunning. Plus, you know, giant gorilla with psychic powers.
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Why kill himself? All he has to do is go to the doctor and say "I need a little snip-snip doc, my wife doesn't want kids".
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Why kill himself? All he has to do is go to the doctor and say "I need a little snip-snip doc, my wife doesn't want kids".
Vasectomies are reversible almost as easily as they're done. It also wouldn't stop RF from surgically getting what's needed (though I can't imagine the tone of the Flash would quite go down that route.)
Also, it would be a potentially cool scene to kill himself with RF there, see him start to fade out of existence, and quickly run into the past to salvage some hope of changing the future to restore his future lineage.
I haven't seen the episode yet (dang basketball preempt) but I'm wondering. Does the RF refer to Eddie as his whatever times great grandfather or as just an ancestor? Is it possible there are other Thawnes (a brother or an uncle) that could be the progenitor of Eobard's?
He actually gloats about it.
with one last stab of "you don't even get the girl" as he shows him that Iris West-Allen news of the future headline.
I have this picture in my head of Eddie grabbing a gun and shooting himself in the head... only to have Wells/RF standing there and saying "Goodbye Great, great, great-uncle Eddie...."
being a Thawne doesn't mean that his death would affect Wells! Only the 'direct line' really matters.
It would be a freaky option if they needed to recast the part of Wells/Eobard, for Eddie to die and some *other* Thawne become his ancestor, causing a change in features (as an in-story excuse for a new actor taking the role).
That wouldn't change the current actor; he used tech to assume Wells's appearance.
As for the vasectomy route, classically Eobard would solve that by having a future version of himself travel back in time and kill the urologist as a child.
Its sort of how he works.
By that (for lack of a better word...) logic, if Eddie tried to shoot himself Eobard would go back in time and kill the guy who manufactured his gun.
Neither scenario makes a lick of sense.
I think he is resolving matters a little differently, by pushing Eddie into becoming the first Reverse Flash.
This seems more likely to me. Otherwise why taunt him with his lack of fame and loss of Iris?
Thawne/Wells has a lot of character defects, but petty spitefulness doesn't really seem to be among them.
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I think he is resolving matters a little differently, by pushing Eddie into becoming the first Reverse Flash.
Hmmm....could be. We know from the end of this recent episode he's powering back up the particle accelerator. Maybe, by having Eddie down there in the basement of the thing, he hopes to kick start a Reverse Flash Dynasty. Could be his telling Eddie he was never remembered was part of the motivation to hate. Could also be that he meant what he said about Eddie being forgotten, but is now trying to change that. We already know that he's changed the date for the original particle accelerator.
GRODD...HATES...IRIS!
Seriously, that character is so annoying.
Also...
Thawne must have taken Gideon with him.
You are correct, good sir. When asked, Gideon showed it's core inside the wall, and Cisco said something about not wanting to crawl in there. Then when they came back, Wells had removed it.
I... I don't really like Iris. She's just so self absorbed and whiny that I have a hard time viewing her as a love interest for anybody. I don't dislike her to the same level as I dislike Laurel in Arrow, but still... I just can't like her, even though it seems obvious that the writers favor the Barry-Iris pairing.
It occurs to me that of all the generic 'super-hero girlfriends' I never actually cared for Comic Iris either.
She was kind of bland and annoying for decades... then when she died they did the stupid time travel origin to make her edgy and relavent again... but it always seemed a colossal fail.
Clark and Lois, Hal and Carol, Ollie and Dinah... These are the kind of love interests that I can buy just based on tradition... but Barry and Iris? I really have no issue at all if she disappeared from the lore forever....
Frankly the only thing that made her interesting was introducing Wally into the lore and providing a connection to 'uncle Barry'... but I'm not a HUGE fan of him either...
Thawne must have taken Gideon with him.You are correct, good sir. When asked, Gideon showed it's core inside the wall, and Cisco said something about not wanting to crawl in there. Then when they came back, Wells had removed it.
How did I miss that? When did they go back and find anything missing?
It's kind of a weird CW thing, actually (one of the many CW fails that I love harping about).
The CW (for whatever strange reason) seems to be really 'anti-secret'. Of all types. Regardless of the situation.
Have a look at various other CW shows... you'll see it. "Secrets are bad. Always."
Don't be so hard on Iris; she's probably just emulating her likely mentor, a hard-hitting award-winning journalist.
W T F, DC?!
TL,DR: Someone(s) at DC editorial/Warner management thinks journalists are overly-ambitious blinder-wearing morons.
How did I miss that? When did they go back and find anything missing?
After Joe shot Everyman and then Barry jetted back to Well's secret room. All the screens were up, windows into places the team had thought private and the area where the core had lain, now dark and empty.