I think there is an Ioun stone in Seeker of Secrets that grants an insight bonus to AC.Is "divine" even a bonus type these days? I thought that was covered by sacred/profane.
Also, I'm not sure Morale and Insight are bonus types that apply to AC. They're bonus types, but not all bonus types can be applied to AC.
Dusty Rose Prism, 5,000 gp. :-)
Morale and Insight bonuses (just like Luck, Sacred, etc.) only apply to whatever specific thing is stated. Could be saves, could be skill checks, could be attacks, could be AC, etc...
I've not seen a competence bonus apply to anything but skill checks or a resistance bonus apply to anything but saves.
Good news. DM has finally accepted the fact that they do stack after reviewing this thread. Though he did retcon the amulet to a lower bonus making it a +1 na ac. The party is lvl 8 btw. Thanks again all.
Victory!
Also, yeah, level 8? At best you'd have a +2 amulet at my table.
Last update. The campaign failed for me. Can't say about the other players. Probably not for them since they were all new players so eh. Over the course of 10 levels, the DM/GM changed the house rules 4 times, was never consistent, made lots of mistakes with the fundamental rules of the system, and called me a cheater. I finally gave up when he told me I'd have to re-roll my stats and hps. Even though both stats and hps were rolled in front of him using his own dice, he said I must have cheated. So not only would I have had to re-roll my stats/hps, he also said I'd not be the one to do so, but that the other players would be the ones to do the re-rolls for me. That's when I quit. Thanks anyway guys. Now I'm looking for a new group, but haven't really seen any. So have been spending my time as I always do in creating different characters. My latest ones were Iceman from Marvel, and Cyborg from DC. Is always fun to make characters, but loads more to get to use them. Hope you all the best, thanks again.
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Meilken. There is nothing "ironclad" to beat your DM with. Ultimately after everything is said and done, his ruling is the one that stands. The message board forums aren't a board of appeals for a DM's decision you don't agree with, or even a decision I might not agree with.
Not sure if pathfinder has the same clause that the 3.5 D&D DMG pg 6 has, but on it, it states "A DM must follow the rules in the publications unless he has a good logical reason to go against them." In other words, someone stating "rule zero, I can do whatever I want because I'm the DM" is false. It's also the same for one who wishes to be a true leader. One must have a good logical reasoning for changing something against the rules. If they do not, than their stance is by definition illogical and bad. That is ironclad as you say for it is pure logic going by the stated rules of the system. This is why I enjoy going to these forums, for it allows others to give their own insights and interpretations. That is what makes a good player, and a good DM/GM. One that can give a rational, logical, good reasoning for their stance. So with what I said my previous DM/GM did, it shows that he was in fact, a bad DM/GM. One must be consistent, honest, follow the rules, and make logical, rational, unbiased decisions, in order to be a true leader.
The only good thing my previous DM/GM did well was story telling. His story was good, but everything else he did was bad. That's not an opinion. The texts of the rule books agree. Ironclad.
Incidentally, I hate homebrew ;) That's why I like consistency in following structured rules.
Interesting extension of the thread:
There are enhancement bonuses to Natural Armor, and Shield, that increase the Natural Armor or Shield bonus to AC -- A bonus to the bonus to AC.
The hypothetical is are there other types of bonuses to natural or shield ac that can apply alongside enhancement bonuses?
Last update. The campaign failed for me. Can't say about the other players. Probably not for them since they were all new players so eh. Over the course of 10 levels, the DM/GM changed the house rules 4 times, was never consistent, made lots of mistakes with the fundamental rules of the system, and called me a cheater. I finally gave up when he told me I'd have to re-roll my stats and hps. Even though both stats and hps were rolled in front of him using his own dice, he said I must have cheated. So not only would I have had to re-roll my stats/hps, he also said I'd not be the one to do so, but that the other players would be the ones to do the re-rolls for me. That's when I quit.
Wow, yeah, I don't see any way to fix that. If he's suddenly complaining about your stats at 10th levels, that's a huge problem. He also seems to think you have some magic dice-rolling powers...and I'm not sure how you could convince him otherwise.
Thanks anyway guys. Now I'm looking for a new group, but haven't really seen any. So have been spending my time as I always do in creating different characters. My latest ones were Iceman from Marvel, and Cyborg from DC. Is always fun to make characters, but loads more to get to use them. Hope you all the best, thanks again.
You might try checking out PFS groups in your area. A lot of people use PFS to meet other players and form new home groups. And you can launch a new character whenever a shiny new build catches your fancy.
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Thanks anyway guys. Now I'm looking for a new group, but haven't really seen any. So have been spending my time as I always do in creating different characters. My latest ones were Iceman from Marvel, and Cyborg from DC. Is always fun to make characters, but loads more to get to use them. Hope you all the best, thanks again.You might try checking out PFS groups in your area. A lot of people use PFS to meet other players and form new home groups. And you can launch a new character whenever a shiny new build catches your fancy.
+1!
PFS does have a few house rules, but they are minimal, and usually limited to banning options that don't fit with the campaign. Also, they are clearly laid out. Check here for the base rules to the campaign, in the Guide to Organized Play and Additional Resources documents. Both are free.
Meiliken you sound like my kind of player. No homebrew and expect honest, consistent, rational GMs. Good stuff. If you happen to live anywhere near Oklahoma City I'd say let's get a group going because I'm searching for a group outside of PFS now myself.
There is nothing wrong with a few house rules. Hell, Pathfinder cannot exist without them because sometimes there are different legitimate interpretations of a rule, so for consistency your house rule is that it will be one of them. But house rules should be stable.
There is nothing wrong with a few house rules. Hell, Pathfinder cannot exist without them because sometimes there are different legitimate interpretations of a rule, so for consistency your house rule is that it will be one of them. But house rules should be stable.
Exactly. A DM/GM that can't stay consistent with their own house rules is not a good DM/GM. I'm a big believer in honor, and one that can't be consistent and honest, is one without any honor. My mantra is a human without honor is no better than a talking monkey. I live in Louisville Ky, so if one wants a player that is logical and actually follows the rules consistently, I'm free :)
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Meiliken you sound like my kind of player. No homebrew and expect honest, consistent, rational GMs. Good stuff. If you happen to live anywhere near Oklahoma City I'd say let's get a group going because I'm searching for a group outside of PFS now myself.There is nothing wrong with a few house rules. Hell, Pathfinder cannot exist without them because sometimes there are different legitimate interpretations of a rule, so for consistency your house rule is that it will be one of them. But house rules should be stable.
I consider "houserule" and "homebrew" two different things. Houserule is a ruling that consistently stands for as long as that GM is playing. There is nothing wrong with those you are right. "Homebrew" is something totally made up by the GM. I don't like these. In small amounts they are ok, say, a new monster we've never seen. But I hate it when GM's make up most of the stuff we see: new classes, feats, new rules systems, ALL new monsters. It's basically just playing make-believe at that point rather than an actual game with a published ruleset.
I consider "houserule" and "homebrew" two different things. Houserule is a ruling that consistently stands for as long as that GM is playing. There is nothing wrong with those you are right. "Homebrew" is something totally made up by the GM. I don't like these. In small amounts they are ok, say, a new monster we've never seen. But I hate it when GM's make up most of the stuff we see: new classes, feats, new rules systems, ALL new monsters. It's basically just playing make-believe at that point rather than an actual game with a published ruleset.
That's exactly what I was dealing with. Even the way skills worked was getting flip flopped constantly. If too many houserules are brought in, it starts altering the fundamental rulesets, and you're no longer playing the game. You're playing an amorphic frankenstein where no one understands the world anymore. Normal small scale houserules I can handle, houserules that turn into homebrew I can't.
Rikkan,
That's almost what I needed. Thanks. However, I'm more interested in other-than-enhancement bonuses to natural armor (and shield), not just simply increasing the shield bonus to ac.
So, in the case of a amulet of natural armor, you have a +X enhancement bonus to to natural armor -- which increases your natural armor bonus to AC via the enhancement.
I'm looking for something along the lines of +X insight bonus to natural armor -- which would then stack with any enhancement bonus to natural armor
Not just feats, but enchantments as well.
Why did you leave most of Meiliken's posts? Seem he has a lot of stuff in there that would also fall under your category.
Insofar my list of types goes as thus.
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Profane Modifier***does not stack with sacred
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Sacred Modifier***does not stack with profane
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No-one saw this yet?
Why not? You can have fire and cold bonus damage on the same weapon, you can have protection from evil at the same time you have protection from good.
/cevah