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Happy birthday, Amby! Fire off the confetti cannons, Rysky!

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*tugs the boom rope*

HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMBY!

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taig wrote:

(I'm not sure I can post in here--I haven't gotten a thread locked)

Ahem


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Sissyl wrote:

Well, I have. Never intentionally, unless you count our old black magic friend, but still.

Merry christmas, people!*

* Substitute your favourite holiday that happens around now, with a margin of maximum plus or minus four days difference. I can't take responsibility further away than that.

Also, christmas eve is the big day in Sweden.

That explains why Christmas Eve was so important to my Swedish grandmother. :-)

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Celestial Healer wrote:
taig wrote:

(I'm not sure I can post in here--I haven't gotten a thread locked)

Ahem

Oh yeah...that one was a slow burn.


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I don't know because I usually drop a bombshell, then hide the topic.


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The d20 itself is a terrible device for any sort of binary pass-fail game mechanic.

*Hides thread*
*Hides forum*
*Deletes web browser*
*Goes to the Ochocos for a fishing trip*
*Catches a salmon*
*Gets arrested for salmon theft*
*Goes directly to jail, does not pass Go, collects $200 anyways*
*Wakes up just in time for Christmas*


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Thanks all for the Happy Birthday wishes. :) Sorry I haven't been around much, keep running out of spoons. Hope you all are happy, healthy, and keeping the Black Dog at bay (or keeping it completely drunk on Bulmahn-strength eggnog).

Limeylongears wrote:
O well. That'll give your Scarlett Johanssen a bit more time to marinade in her tub of mint choc chip ice cream.

Ah, you found the Slaadinomicon, I see: "A consenting ScarJo + mint chocolate chip ice cream adds a +4 to CL checks to summon and bargain with Ambrosia Slaads"


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Velkhumuz. One more reason why I am the best wizard.

Sorry you've been feeling s~~%ty!


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All refugees and wendigoes are welcome here, as always.


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He's back!!


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So much has happened since we last talked, I got a job, like four weeks ago, so that's still pretty fresh.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
All refugees and wendigoes are welcome here, as always.

I feel so unwelcome! *sniff*

(Searches longingly for a thread to get locked, or a bottled yeti fur)


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
All refugees and wendigoes are welcome here, as always.

...

HE'S STILL ALIVE?!

Captain Killjoy looks about with a dangerous sort of smile on his toothy maw as various unnamed NPC goblins on his crew scurry for cover.

You told me you'd taken care of the kobold situation!

Shadow Lodge

Huh, I don't think I've gotten anything locked recently. Maybe the paladin blog?


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Did something happen earlier to cause Sara Marie to lock several of the Playtest Blog posts? PMing me would probably work best.

Edit: Nevermind.


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Sorry! That was probably my fault for not posting.


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Goshdarnit the thread kicked back into high gear while I was asleep and got locked just when I'd finished drafting a huge series of responses.

Ah well. It happens.

Silver Crusade

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*offers hugs*


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This site, I swear to goodness gracious. There is such a bounty of new, non-toxic gamers entering the hobby and revitalizing it, but it feels like every time we get a "TAZ wave" of young, diverse gamers, we also get an identical wave of angry gamebros to complain about Shardra, determined to keep things exactly the same—no matter what the implications or cost to the hobby as a whole.

Fandom problems, y'all. Fandom problems.

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I hear ya.


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I've noticed an uptick in positivity in the last few months, granted I've barely skimmed the playtest threads (I'm not all that enthusiastic for it).

But elsewhere there seems to be less aggression.


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Maybe, but it still seems whenever somebody so much as implies there might be a problem connected to social justice or "political correctness", the exact same mob of interchangeables surfaces to play societal defense.

Then again, I haven't been on the forums much in the last few months.

Hm...


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On a positive note, I reread Wormy recently via one of the online archives. It's still amazing. I'm not sure about the imp's design, but, like, damn, that comic was beautiful. There's nothing else quite like it. It's so meanspirited at times (it was the original "from the monsters' POV" comic), but it's also got such a weird mix of heart and Calvin and Hobbes/Bone-level artistic chops.

And it sure did end abruptly—just as things were heating up. Makes me wanna go back and reread that article in the Final Dragon Issue. I kinda love the way it ended, honestly. That unresolved mystery and promise matches well with the comic that seamlessly blended an air of modernity and familiarity with strangeness and wonder.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Maybe, but it still seems whenever somebody so much as implies there might be a problem connected to social justice or "political correctness", the exact same mob of interchangeables surfaces to play societal defense.

Then again, I haven't been on the forums much in the last few months.

Hm...

(Dons asbestos suit... steps very gingerly)

Yeah, when I was branded a racist <expletive> for stating that I treated everyone equally, the way I would want to be treated, was when I decided it was time to just hide all political and social threads (and any threads where any such discussions started) and move on...


Context does matter in situations like that, so I can't speak to whether or not you were justified in what you were saying. That said, insults like that generally suck. Not useful to anything.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Context does matter in situations like that, so I can't speak to whether or not you were justified in what you were saying. That said, insults like that generally suck. Not useful to anything.

Right. Well, it was one of the usual racially-charged discussions, and I was pointing out that one of the greatest compliments I ever received was when an African-American student said, "You know why you're such a good teacher? Because to you, I'm just another student."

She was SOOOOO grateful that I didn't knock myself out trying to figure out how to behave towards her, but that I just treated her exactly the way I'd treat anyone else, be they black, white purple, transgender, or whatnot. (And needless to say, that was with kindness, patience, and compassion, and working with her to figure out the best way for HER to understand the problems I was trying to teach her.)

I think a lot of minority groups really appreciate that approach: I chaperone high school trips, and many of the transgender students "mysteriously" end up in my groups. Because to me, they're just people. I don't treat them any differently than anyone else.

And ooooh, did I touch a live wire when I said that out loud...


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I'm really not trying to side against you in this conversation with a third party I've never met, but my point is that I'd have to know what it was in response to (or what it seemed to be in response to). Like, that's a great approach to teaching in general, but it might have come across very differently if, say, it was used as a rebuttal about how some minorities might need accommodations.

Like, "I treat everyone the same" is great if we're talking about discrimination, but it comes across differently if we're talking about affirmative action or disability.

I'm not endorsing that person's response regardless. Like I said, it's just mean and useless to lob insults like that.


Yep. I know. I appreciate your approach. It's all too easy to see one person's side and say, "Wow, they make sense! They must be right!"
...only to go to the thread and find out that they were being an a**hat...

I was just generally agreeing with your overall impression that getting involved in those threads is just likely to get you burned.

Hence refuges such as this one.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:

I'm really not trying to side against you in this conversation with a third party I've never met, but my point is that I'd have to know what it was in response to (or what it seemed to be in response to). Like, that's a great approach to teaching in general, but it might have come across very differently if, say, it was used as a rebuttal about how some minorities might need accommodations.

Like, "I treat everyone the same" is great if we're talking about discrimination, but it comes across differently if we're talking about affirmative action or disability.

I'm not endorsing that person's response regardless. Like I said, it's just mean and useless to lob insults like that.

Yeah, "colorblind racism" is definitely a thing. To the point that I take it as kind of a warning sign. Doesn't sound at all like what was going on here though.


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I only insult myself (now).

That way no one can get offended.


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Liz Courts always said to try to assume everything is said in as positive a way as possible and plan your response accordingly. :-)


Kobold Cleaver wrote:

On a positive note, I reread Wormy recently via one of the online archives. It's still amazing. I'm not sure about the imp's design, but, like, damn, that comic was beautiful. There's nothing else quite like it. It's so meanspirited at times (it was the original "from the monsters' POV" comic), but it's also got such a weird mix of heart and Calvin and Hobbes/Bone-level artistic chops.

And it sure did end abruptly—just as things were heating up. Makes me wanna go back and reread that article in the Final Dragon Issue. I kinda love the way it ended, honestly. That unresolved mystery and promise matches well with the comic that seamlessly blended an air of modernity and familiarity with strangeness and wonder.

But mostly I had to comment on this: Yeah, Wormy is the best. The art is gorgeous, the characters and perspective are so cool, the jokes are funny, the worldbuilding is incredible. I can't really think of anything else like it, at least in the gaming comics sub-sub-genre.

And then all the weirdness of the sudden ending, ensuring it never had a chance to get old and stale. Though I see what you mean about how you loved the ending, but I'd gladly trade that for having had more of it. :)

I now need to reread it again.


I really miss the old magazines. :(


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Yeah, it's been a long time now since Dragon magazine got threadlocked...


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The thread lives again! Hopefully that's the last time it has to go through that hullabaloo. Nobody likes a busy Sara.


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I don't have any good thread for this and it's not worth starting a new one, but basically, Mike Mearls has been up to some b!&##*&&. And while that's incredibly disappointing, and it's frustrating that Wizards of the Coast is still employing a man who doxxed his own employees when they tried to seek his help...

... it's also fun to note, in an incredibly petty way, that his adventure in Age of Worms, "Three Faces of Evil", is arguably the hardest of all of them to run due to what a poorly-communicated disaster it is.


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Yay, another reason to boycott WotC.

Adds it to the already really long list.

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On the one hand, I agree that the situation sucks and it definitely doesn't look good on either company (Paizo gets its own callout further down, courtesy of ex-employee Jessica Price, who... well, again, it sucks what happened and why she quit/was fired, but on the other hand, I'm not personally shedding any tears over her absence).

On the other, I can't support how the thread further down declares all "nerd culture" to be inherently part of toxic masculinity. I get the people involved are hurt and frustrated, but that's throwing a lot more people under the bus than just WOTC and Paizo.

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D5vid Chalmers
@ActualChalmers
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Jun 26
Replying to
@machineiv
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@helpmeskeletor
Between this coercive abusive toxicity in games, and the testosterone fuelled recklessness of silicon valley, can we perhaps entertain the possibility of acknowledging that nerd culture is just another aspect of toxic masculinity?

OLIVIA ★ HILL
@machineiv
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Jun 26
It 100% is.

Also apparently supporting either big company is supporting rapists and pedophiles according to this group, so THAT'S fun.


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I'll just emphasize that "nerd culture" doesn't necessarily mean "every individual nerd", just like saying "American culture has a problem with alcohol" doesn't mean you're saying literally every single American is an alcoholic.

I love this thread too much to see it destroyed, so I'll just leave it at that. I actually agree that the phrasing is a bit confusing and they don't need me to defend them.

Oh, also, Jessica Price kicks ass. I'll leave it at that, too.

But yeah, WotC and Paizo are both kind of messes. It's, like, 55% of why I no longer go to Paizocon. I had a parasocial relationship with a company and it's like, hey, KC, it's a company. A for-profit, privately-owned company. Speaking logically, it's probably screwing someone over. Don't make friends with companies.

Besides, small publishers are way more creative anyways. I got a game for Christmas about sad doomed cowboy penguins. It's great. Small RPGs are great.

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We didn't get along, I'll likewise leave it at that.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:

I'll just emphasize that "nerd culture" doesn't necessarily mean "every individual nerd", just like saying "American culture has a problem with alcohol" doesn't mean you're saying literally every single American is an alcoholic.

Just most recently appointed judges.:p

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