Or, since any acid damage suppresses regeneration that round, wizard casts acid splash, then fighter coup de grace.And enter the conversation of if coup will off a troll.
In Pathfinder, that's pretty clear cut. While the regeneration is suppressed, the troll can die normally. (In 3.5, yeah, you could only CDG with a weapon that overcame the regeneration, like a flaming sword or a flask of acid thrown at point-blank range.)
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I advocate the memorization of Ray of Frost in this list of tips and tricks that I compiled with the help from the board back in 2012.
-Nearyn
a dwarven sorcerer with their racial FCB can make acid splash a viable attack...
1d3+1 from focus (as has been pointed out)+1 for draconic bloodline +1/2 levels FCB
so at 2nd it does 1d3+3 and increases as you level... that's 4.5 avg damage- same as a light crossbow but weightless, no reload time, and targets touch AC (and at 4th it matches a heavy crossbow's average damage). the range isn't great but if you really wanted to build for it you take magical lineage and reach spell to make it medium range.
you're not gonna win any dps races with it, but for something you can use infinity times per day its not bad.
edit: well 14,400 times per day (that's how many rounds there are in 24 hours)
There's ways to increase the damage of ray of frost. With Point Blank Shot, wizard's evocation school, and using liquid ice as a focus, ray of frost does 1d3+3, which has a better average damage than a crossbow. And it targets touch AC, does not consume ammunition, and doesn't require you to hold a two-handed weapon.
And doesn't require reloading!
Don't know how, wasn't my character but the GM OKed it/I player with a sorcerer who combined toppling spell with ray of frost for a level 1 spell trip spell which was actually pretty useful.How? Toppling spell only affects spells with the force descriptor, and Havoc of the Society doesn't change the descriptor of the spell.
Havoc of the Society trait, adds 1 pt of force damage to any spell. I could see a GM allowing it at his table.
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Yeah, but havoc doesn't change the descriptor of the spell to force, it just adds one point of force damage. Havoc of the society is already pretty overpowered for a trait. It would be powerful as a feat if it did make any damage spell a force spell. The player probably had a high bluff skill and the DM tanked his sense motive.
Okay, so, with what everyone's posted, here's a build:
Dwarven Brutal Wildblooded Sorcerer
Str 8, Dex 14, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 15 (20 pt buy--that Cha pen. hurts!)
Dwarven Favored Class Bonus: +1/2 sor lvl to damage w/ acid/earth spells/SLAs
Character Traits: Havoc of the Society (add +1 force damage to spell), Quantium University Graduate (+2 to concentration checks)
Equipment: Acid Flask (Power Focus Component, +1 damage to acid splash)
Feats:
1st) Point Blank Shot (+1 to hit/damage w/in 30 ft)
3rd) Weapon Finesse (because he gets claws from his bloodline, and his Str sucks)
5th) Precise Shot
So, damage with Acid Splash (w/in 30 ft) as follows:
1st) 1d3+4 acid plus +1 force (+1 PBS, +1 Focus, +2 Brutal, +1 force Havoc of the Society)
2nd) 1d3+5 acid plus +1 force (add +1 fav. class bonus to above)
...Increase fav. class bonus damage by +1 at even levels.
I know that I, personally, have killed 17 trolls with Acid Splash.
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That's the one way I have seen that might make Kirin style marginally useful. But still, it's only after the third round of combat, and as a primary caster, you would have been better off taking metamagic or spell focus feats than martial feats allowing you to be more damaging after three rounds of prepwork. The fight should be over by the time you get to use your five feat investment.
Evoker wizard 8+/Crossblooded orc-dragon sorc 1.
PBS, Precise, Kirin Style, Kirin Strike, IUS.
First round haste, swift activate style. 2nd round CC, swift make knowledge checks. 3rd round damaging spell/attack get normal +2per die +Wiz level +2xInt(swift after attack is successful).
So, ray of frost does d3+2+8+14= d3+24... not bad for a cantrip @ 9th
Evokers get half wizard level to damage, not full, so +8 -> +4. The rest is pretty impressive though.
sunbeam: Rogue BAB is not horrible, it's 3/4. Adding one level of wizard is 0. Dip might be worth it, but it is painful to BAB (essentially, three out of four levels you will be one BAB behind where you would have been). One good thing is you still get +6 BAB at 9th when you get a feat (and a rogue talent that could be a combat feat).
I've dipped wizard for a level to get Acid Splash on a Rogue.
BAB is horrible anyway, so losing a point isn't that bad.
Gets you some 1st level utility spells and gives you a Touch attack you can use at range for sneak attacks, whenever the rare opportunity to do a ranged sneak attack comes up.
If you just want Acid Splash, wouldn't Minor Magic be a better way of getting it?
Always loaded, but with arcane spell failure and at the cost of a BAB, delayed SA, and one less hit point, half a dozen skill points, and an FCB. You said yourself that you're not likely to have reason to use Acid Splash more than a couple times a day - it's really only useful as a surprise round ranged sneak attack.
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I know that I, personally, have killed 17 trolls with Acid Splash.Holy cow, we hardly ever even get trolls in our area these days, they have largely retreated to the high country, although there was a troop of Hill Giants that came down through Prince William County a couple years back in the Manassas area. Luckily a group of adventurers from Winchester were able to mostly wipe them out and take their stuff. Large +1 greatclubs were glutted on the local market for a while, and yet still cost 2305 gp.
Haven't heard of any troll attacks recently right? Means I'm doing a good job :P
The 1d3 energy cantrips can damage a spider swarm, whereas a crossbow bolt would be useless against the diminutive swarm.
Would the bonuses transfer to a wand made by sutch an individual?
How about the so called permenant aka chargeless wands?
The 1d3 energy cantrips can damage a spider swarm, whereas a crossbow bolt would be useless against the diminutive swarm.
No they can't.
A swarm is immune to any spell or effect that targets a specific number of creatures (including single-target spells such as disintegrate), with the exception of mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, morale effects, patterns, and phantasms) if the swarm has an Intelligence score and a hive mind.
The 1d3 cantrips target one creature or object and therefore are useless against swarms.
The 1d3 energy cantrips can damage a spider swarm, whereas a crossbow bolt would be useless against the diminutive swarm.No they can't.
A swarm is immune to any spell or effect that targets a specific number of creatures (including single-target spells such as disintegrate), with the exception of mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, morale effects, patterns, and phantasms) if the swarm has an Intelligence score and a hive mind.The 1d3 cantrips target one creature or object and therefore are useless against swarms.
You may be right, but that's not how I interpret these spells. Acid Splash has 'Effect one missile of acid', and Ray of Frost has 'Effect ray'. They don't specify a "target" in their stat block. Now a spell like Blindness specifies 'Target one living creature' and this wouldn't affect a swarm.
I see an Acid Splash spell to be roughly equivalent to an alchemical flask of acid, but with less damage, and no actual splash damage. Both can damage a swarm. Likewise, a sword that magically drips acid, can do acid damage to the swarm, even if the weapon itself doesn't do weapon damage. Essentially, diminutive swarms take damage from energy.
I did some digging, and James Jacobs says rays can affect swarms.
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Just take a Dip of oracle instead of Wizard. The trait two world magic lets you take Acid Splash as an orison, and you can cast it in armor, and see through fog. Oracle use CHA not wis, so there is a lot of synergy with a ninja.
i like that, would be a fun low level character build.
another way to think about it, is a dip into wizard sets you up for arcane trickster PrC. who doesn't like surprise round scorching rays with sneak attack damage added to each ray.