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I get hungover sometimes. It's not too difficult to get back on the horse. If its bad enough, I stay home. I don't see any reason to kick somebody for being hungover. Maybe asking them to sit out the session and try again next week but I wouldn't kick from group.
As for stupid, I am going to need more context to understand your situation. I tend to be really picky about who I am gaming with, outside of PFS of course. If I felt somebody was stupid in a disruptive way, I wouldn't have invited them to begin with.
Class or build is irrelevant. If a person is undesirable at the table I will not put up with them period. Unless of course its PFS then I would try and avoid their table in the future. PFS can be a crapshoot its part of admission.
-Under the influence (drunk/high/diseased) no.
-Hungover maybe, as long as they are clean & dont stink of alcohol (that uncomfortable for all players).
-Stupidity is very variable. Like Pan, I need more qualifiers.
-I'll agree with Pan that class/build is irrelevant. You can play a commoner and have fun. HOWEVER, if you make poor choices & constantly complain about them & be generally disruptive, that could cause problems.
Of course gambling is evil! That's why no Good Gods/Empyrean Lords who can have Paladins would ever approve of gambling.
*Cough*Inex*Cough*
Hungover player, playing a supportive character. Diehard d20 player that doesn't want to miss a session. Imagine someone that cares about Pathfinder and d20 more than literally anything else. That's me. Want to help my team tomorrow m8s
um,
you are posting drunk right now? don't youand have a bad conciense about tomorrows game ?
well, stop drinking now,drink a lot of water and see how you feel tommorrow
He's definitely talking about himself :P
Just drink lots of water and get in a nap before game. Provided you aren't messed up enough to feel like you're about to throw up at any moment it's not much different than showing up sleep deprived.
This happens at my games semi regularly, it's really not that much of an issue. Plus support characters are easy to play, you'll be fine mate.
Just remember to keep the complaining to a minimum, you did this to yourself :P
I would ask a player to leave if he were being disruptive, but that's about it.
Of course, exactly what kind of behavior is disruptive can vary from group to group. In a game where all players are expected to be active and engaged at all times, being half-asleep and disconnected could be considered disruptive; in other games, as long as you're not yelling and throwing things at other players you might be OK. (Heck, in some games throwing things might be acceptable too, I suppose)
If the groups I've played with over the years were not tolerant of stupidity, they would all have kicked me out quickly.
Hungover can be an issue, but it depends on how they handle it.
My feeling is that if you care about the game more than anything else, then you care about it more than staying out late getting so drunk that you won't be able to operate the next day. That would be what it meant to "care about it MORE than ANYTHING ELSE."
Clearly, getting drunk and hungover, in this case, is at least as important as the game.
That said, players have come to sessions tired from lack of sleep, and some have fallen asleep during sessions. If the session has gone on long enough, we tend to just start winding it down when that happens. When the session is in its early stages, we usually let that player sleep and just play around him as if he weren't there that day, or sometimes we wake him for the combat rolls.
If somebody is being completely disruptive, that's a different story. That's where the "stupid" part comes into play. We tolerate disruption fairly well, being veterans of it after playing with a guy for years who pretty much thought the game was all about him. But if "stupid" starts really ruining it for everybody, that's when we have THE TALK.
In this case, if somebody was hung over, causing him to be sleepy, act stupid and be disruptive, then yes, that seems like the trifecta of bad, and I would probably ask him if he'd like to sit this session out and return on a day that was better for him.
As to kicking somebody out, that's what you do when a behavior is chronic and there is no cure for it after a certain number of sessions.
As to the title of your thread, keep in mind that your "right to be stupid" MUST be balanced against the rights of the other individual players, who are giving up their own free time and energies for their own love of the game. They have a "right," therefore, to be free from your stupidity.
Things have changed now that most of us have kids and the metabolisms of thirtysomethings, but there used to be at least one hungover person at every session.
If I had a player that was being "stupid": as in disruptive, argumentative, going out of their way to do things in or out of game to make other players uncomfortable or upset- they would be warned against it and if it continued, they would be asked to leave.
If the "stupid" behavior became chronic, then discussion of unsheathing the "ban hammer" would take place.
This is a different kind of stupid from what I generally was guilty of; my group would call your kind of stupid "a**hattery." What they called stupid for me were the incredibly dumb decisions I occasionally made.
These sometimes resulting in the deaths of some party members/the entire party/a small town/a city/several cities/a nation/a god/several gods..
The bone-headed mistakes that lead to those are what I consider stupid. Being disruptive, argumentative, or trying to upset people? That's being a jerk.
Talk quietly and pass them the soda.
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I usually bring a bottle of bourbon to the session.
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I usually bring a bottle of bourbon to the session.
Avoid hangovers, stay drunk!
I would deal with it for one session, then mention to everyone (individually) when sober what your expectations for the game, and for showing respect to your other players, are. In some groups I've played in back in my younger days (read: before dirt was created), the sober person would be the odd one out. Other groups, no one intoxicated would be welcome at the table. It mainly depends on your players. But you shouldn't have one person one way, and the rest of the group a different way. It just doesn't work out well in the long term usually.
Things that are funny when you're out of your mind just aren't as amusing to others. Instead they're usually annoying. But no matter what you decide, it needs to be a standard that's agreed upon if for no other reason than respecting the time of every other person present.
I usually bring a bottle of bourbon to the session.
Our group will be playing in Rockford, IL next weekend. I can PM directions if you'd like. :D
You have the right to be whatever you want, that doesn't mean that others HAVE to put up with you.
It's really up to the group to decide if that's something they're willing to put up with. My advice to you is just to apologize for showing up hungover and don't do it again. I'm sure they'll forgive you if you honestly enjoy playing with them and you want to be a team player.
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Things have changed now that most of us have kids and the metabolisms of thirtysomethings, but there used to be at least one hungover person at every session.
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Exactly.
Gaming is recreation, right? We're many of us working professionals, but not all, and have to make time in our schedule to show up and attend a thing everyone is doing for fun. Nobody is always on their game or on time or prepared. We all have bad days, but the way it's sounding here gaming is a second job. If someone shows up tired you'll "work around them as best you can." ?
Pro Tip: Hanging around your friends can still be fun when they are tired and hungover. Gaming with your friends is similar to this event, only you get to do math and roll molded polygons while playing pretend.
Me? I like storytelling, and I do take my games seriously, but its important to never lose sight that you are there to interact with other people and tell a story together. You may not appreciate everyone's contributions every time, but that's a two way street. While you are putting up with the aftermath of their social life (or perhaps crippling addiction to substance abuse?) they are also putting up with you.
Edit: Because never losing site means to keep your fees paid, where as never losing sight is more like a torture devised by the Grecian Pantheon.
Depends on the group. I play with a bunch of close friends and we have no problem with someone showing up hungover, in fact one person does regularly. Now, he still contributes, and the fact that he's there hungover shows that he does really want to play.
Now, this isn't to say that this is to be expected of all groups, it's not. What do you think your friends will say if you show up hungover? If there annoyed/don't like it you'll have a bad day.
Like all group situations, the group your playing with will matter infinitely more then anything any of us say. Trust me, even if you show them a million posts of people saying it's ok, that won't matter if they don't care.