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A creature, for lack of a better term, approaches wearing garb that seems to have at one point been a doctor's outfit. Presently, the garb can hardly pass for sanitary as it is stained with dried blood and other carnage, matching the vile-looking scythe clutched in his scab-covered hands. His face is obscured by what appears to be a darkmantle eating his head, and a quartet of drake's wings protrude from his back, but they seem to be non-functioning. Between the wings, a huge dorsal fin from a bulette rises along his spine. A spade tail flicks agitatedly from just below the bottom of his haversack that is adorned with numerous taxidermied faces and heads. As he stops near the party, the palpable reek of a myriad of beasts and copious amounts of formaldehyde pervades the air. He speaks eloquently if with a slight rasp, “Hello and well met Mr. Takoda is it? It seems you have quite the dilemma. Would you care to participate in one of my medical research studies? I am sure that it would prove quite beneficial to you.” He chuckles and steps back, giving you some much needed fresh air.

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Ahote, I am more worried about your drinking and not remembering what happened the previous night. It is all to common. Well the drinking isn't really the problem, its the you drinking with your weapon. How many time's have people had to take it out of the wall after your previous nights? One day it won't be a wall its sticking out of, and then you will be in more trouble than you could ever dream.
My advice, its not the sweats that will kill you, its the drinking.

Sitri |

Netopalis wrote:What about Bloatmages?I don't believe the Bloatmage specifically says how much weight they must gain, so a human Bloatmage would still top out at 220.
I have read this prestige class probably 15 times and never noticed that. I also didn't notice that the bloodmage initiate feat claims to stack with spell focus....but doesn't.

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There is no way known that a Bloatmage would top out at 220lb.
Also arnt those derived stats for STARTING level characters. How do those numbers affect characters during their lifetime? Obviously Height probably wont change (unless a character has bad posture) but weight certainly will (unless we are all drawn buxom with svelte waists and abs that can crush beer cans)
I plan on getting my Bloatmage into Seeker levels and would be disappointed to learn that he would be capped at 220lb. I want him so fat that he could crush his Psuedodragon if he leant the wrong way or sat down. In his tight Wizard robes he also needs to present a certain image
Also pounds are bad. That 220 lb is 99 kg. Thats not fat at all.
Id say my Bloatmage would be currently (being level 3 in the class) at least 130kg. So 286 pounds.

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Id say my Bloatmage would be currently (being level 3 in the class) at least 130kg. So 286 pounds.
The problem is, where do you draw the line? If you can come up with a number based on what you believe is appropriate, then so can the next person, and before you know it we'll have ppl advocating for 750 pound characters again.
So, the only reasonable thing to do is go with the limits as defined in the CRB (or ARG, if your race isn't listed in the Core).
And, yes, that means svelte Bloatmages. Just imagine you have stretch marks and flaps of loose skin for storing all that extra blood magic. It's no prettier an image than Baron Harkonnen.

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hmm, as long as his fat can seep over the edges of his flying Throne thats okay...
The issue with Bloatmages is that they are all drawn quite big.
In regards to the stretch marks/loose skin.. that happens after they burn the blood. They lose a lot of their size and become a smaller mass of loose skin and sag. When 'full' is the issue here really.
Im never going to advocate for 750 pound characters, but I think there is a huge gap between 220 and 750.
I was aiming more for:
http://s.cghub.com/files/Image/031001-032000/31128/41_large.jpg

Chris Kenney |
Actually, we do have a pretty good idea of what the weight gain looks like thanks to the Bloatmage Initiate feat. Since it's equivalent to a medium load, it's not beyond saying "to calculate the weight gained from taking the Bloatmage Initiate feat, use your strength score. Add the low number from the "Medium Load" column to your maximum weight." Done.
Whether that's worth the time to put on Additional Resources, who knows.

MichaelCullen |
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The size category table states that a medium creature weighs between 60 and 500 lbs.
www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat/space-reach-threatened-area-templates
It also has a note stating that, "These values are typical for creatures of the indicated size. Some exceptions exist." I as a GM would not have a problem with a character as long as it fit into these parameters. Go too far outside of these and I think that you are pushing the boundaries of size Medium.
That said if you wanted to roll play it up and do stuff like limit your speed and huff and puff then I don't think I would have too much of a problem with it, but you would have to really convince me with the RP.

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Ahote, I am more worried about your drinking and not remembering what happened the previous night. It is all to common. Well the drinking isn't really the problem, its the you drinking with your weapon. How many time's have people had to take it out of the wall after your previous nights? One day it won't be a wall its sticking out of, and then you will be in more trouble than you could ever dream.
My advice, its not the sweats that will kill you, its the drinking.
"Holy demon warrior man, I put KILLAMAJIG in wall so not forget where park KILLAMAJIG. Rest assured warrior demon holy man I only put KILLAMAJIG where suppose to go, usually into BeeBeeEeeJee face"

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A creature, for lack of a better term, approaches wearing garb that seems to have at one point been a doctor's outfit. Presently, the garb can hardly pass for sanitary as it is stained with dried blood and other carnage, matching the vile-looking scythe clutched in his scab-covered hands. His face is obscured by what appears to be a darkmantle eating his head, and a quartet of drake's wings protrude from his back, but they seem to be non-functioning. Between the wings, a huge dorsal fin from a bulette rises along his spine. A spade tail flicks agitatedly from just below the bottom of his haversack that is adorned with numerous taxidermied faces and heads. As he stops near the party, the palpable reek of a myriad of beasts and copious amounts of formaldehyde pervades the air. He speaks eloquently if with a slight rasp, “Hello and well met Mr. Takoda is it? It seems you have quite the dilemma. Would you care to participate in one of my medical research studies? I am sure that it would prove quite beneficial to you.” He chuckles and steps back, giving you some much needed fresh air.
"You medicine man? Hmm not trust, once go to medicine man for sore tooth for chewing, wake up after with loin cloth backwards! Suspious..."

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after you sat and broke the bench that rule was put into practice, they fear that your "strength" will consume all the sweets in the cafeteria... and i do like my sweets.
"Bench clearly structural insufficient for warriors. Usually eat day old on night before get day old, fancy pants Pathfinders no want so all good and cook like my 'service' to cooks for clearing up shelfs"

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Thats all Jim dandy A-Hooty Takooty. I likes my talls to be extra tall so they can carry me, because you never know when some adventure cap'n will send us some place we need to climb.
"Ponteefeekor appreciates, I search top of doors and low roofs for traps with head-fore! Only find traps of brain stun and head hurt so far..."

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Human males in PFS max out at 220 pounds (and human females @ 185).
It may not be realistic (I'm 230 myself IRL), but the limit had to be drawn somewhere. Some people wanted to make characters pushing the scales at 500 or 750+, and it was actually becoming disrupting.
wow - i haven't been human sense I was 15?!!
i was close right after basic training... got my weight down to 230 then!
human max should be higher, ... it really should be closer to reality...

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Well, the descriptions in those charts are more indicative of the human populace during the middle ages and renaissance, the time period upon which Golarion is loosely based.
I haven't seen any hard and fast restrictions on weight. I do agree that once you top 500, it starts getting a bit unrealistic, but there are lots of tropes regarding overweight characters in fantasy literature, and I feel that it is sort of limiting for the campaign to not allow those characters.

MattR1986 |
Or could have gone with Good ol' Benedikt Magnússon (deadlifters) who is 6'0 379 lbs with a BMI of a whopping 51.4. It should be noted though that these people specialize in certain activities, not in putting on armor and going into combat. Many of these people have issues tying their own shoes and gas out after 2 mins of activity. Good luck getting Benny to pass a climb or acrobatics check. At those sizes the PC should be considered to have Ultra Heavy Encumbrance and take like a -8 on all rolls

Simon Legrande |

I think some of you need to familiarize yourselves with BMI. Even the pro builders that look like a muscled tumor are only like 5'10 and 260 with all the "supplements"
Unless he's 7 1/2 feet tall that's a pretty absurd and unrealistic weight even by D&D fantasy standards.
Or, like all sane people should, you can completely disregard the absolute nonsense that is BMI. By the way, what is the point of BMI again? I mean other than to make people believe that muscle-bound athletes are all morbidly obese.