You know you're in trouble when you get to the table and...

[The Morphling]

I have heard "Taking 20 takes two hours" more times than I have taken 20 in PFS by a factor of six.

[Curaigh]

David_Bross wrote:

Your enlarged rage prophet is the only one able to fight two large mooks in a hallway constraining the fight to just those 3. The rage prophet can only be hit on a nat 20 so the rest of the party charges forward to the BBEG....

10 rounds later with the rage prophet out of spells(cast all heals) the party barely managed to survive a black tentacles and two Yeth Hounds, which made two other PCs flee the entire combat.

...yeah I hate when that rage prophet blocks and hogs all the fighting :)

[Mystically Inclined]

The Morphling wrote:

I have heard "Taking 20 takes two hours" more times than I have taken 20 in PFS by a factor of six.

Yeah. At least there's a line of reasoning to go with that. People who say that taking 10 takes half as long as taking 20 drive me up a wall, especially since I cannot find any basis in any edition for saying this. I have literally handed someone a core rule book open to the take 20/take 10 section and they simply handed the book right back to me without reading it while insisting they were right. Luckily, I have not seen this from a PFS judge yet.

[Finlanderboy]

The Morphling wrote:

I have heard "Taking 20 takes two hours" more times than I have taken 20 in PFS by a factor of six.

Depends on what the take twenty is. I had someone insit they wanted to take 20 on searching the entire manor in hell knights feast. I told them that would take several weeks.

[nosig]

Finlanderboy wrote:

The Morphling wrote:

I have heard "Taking 20 takes two hours" more times than I have taken 20 in PFS by a factor of six.

Depends on what the take twenty is. I had someone insit they wanted to take 20 on searching the entire manor in hell knights feast. I told them that would take several weeks.

this comes from confusing a Perception check with something called Search, with is old 3.0 & 3.5 rules. Perception & Search are tow different things. So a "Search" can take however long you (as the judge) would think it should take (maybe days?), and a "Take 20 Search" would take 20 times as long...

a Take 20 on a Perception skill check should take 1 minute... and net you what you would detect if you had rolled a 20 on a Perception check from your current location.

[BigNorseWolf]

There are chalk outlines on the floor from last week.

[Dhjika]

Jason Hanlon wrote:

You know you're in trouble when you get to the table and the GM is explaining why taking 20 on a perception check will literally take all day long.

Gee and here I thought you couldn't take 20 on a perception check because it is an opposed roll - your perception against the target's stealth.

[TriOmegaZero]

Dhjika wrote:

Gee and here I thought you couldn't take 20 on a perception check because it is an opposed roll - your perception against the target's stealth.

There's actually nothing saying you can't take 20 on opposed checks. However, you will tend to automatically fail them.

Quote:

Since taking 20 assumes that your character will fail many times before succeeding, your character would automatically incur any penalties for failure before he or she could complete the task (hence why it is generally not allowed with skills that carry such penalties).

Which means you would most likely be stabbed by the hidden enemy before completing your take 20.

[Finlanderboy]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Dhjika wrote:

Gee and here I thought you couldn't take 20 on a perception check because it is an opposed roll - your perception against the target's stealth.

There's actually nothing saying you can't take 20 on opposed checks. However, you will tend to automatically fail them.

Quote:

Since taking 20 assumes that your character will fail many times before succeeding, your character would automatically incur any penalties for failure before he or she could complete the task (hence why it is generally not allowed with skills that carry such penalties).

If I were DMing and someone took twenty searching a room if there bonus would eventually find the stealthed person I would let them eventually find them.

If just takes forever as they toss the room, and the person hiding does not have to stay there.

[TriOmegaZero]

Finlanderboy wrote:

If I were DMing and someone took twenty searching a room if there bonus would eventually find the stealthed person I would let them eventually find them.

Me too, right as the knife goes into their kidney.

[Finlanderboy]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Finlanderboy wrote:

If I were DMing and someone took twenty searching a room if there bonus would eventually find the stealthed person I would let them eventually find them.

Me too, right as the knife goes into their kidney.

I am sorry I poorly tried to imply that or them leaving.

[nosig]

Finlanderboy wrote:

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Dhjika wrote:

Gee and here I thought you couldn't take 20 on a perception check because it is an opposed roll - your perception against the target's stealth.

There's actually nothing saying you can't take 20 on opposed checks. However, you will tend to automatically fail them.

Quote:

Since taking 20 assumes that your character will fail many times before succeeding, your character would automatically incur any penalties for failure before he or she could complete the task (hence why it is generally not allowed with skills that carry such penalties).

If I were DMing and someone took twenty searching a room if there bonus would eventually find the stealthed person I would let them eventually find them.

If just takes forever as they toss the room, and the person hiding does not have to stay there.

you do mean that they took 20 on a SEARCH or the room and NOT on a Perception Check (Which are two different things) right?

Trapsmith: "I take 10 on a perception check from the doorway, or rather from just outside the door, then take 20 on a perception check from the same place, results of 40 and 50 - plus 2 more for traps."

Judge: "while you search the room..."

Trapsmith: "who searched the room? no one even went in there!"

Judge: "you said you were taking 20 to search..."

Trapsmith: "nooo, sorry. I guess I wasn't clear. I take 20 on a perception check from outside the room, getting a 50, 52 for traps..."

The players and the judge need to be talking the same language. And a "search" is not a "Perception Check"....

[Dragnmoon]

nosig wrote:

GM: "you said you were taking 20 to search..."

Trapsmith: "nooo, sorry. I guess I wasn't clear. I take 20 on a perception check from outside the room, getting a 50, 52 for traps..."

GM: From were you are standing you don't see any traps, but if you go inside the room you might get a better view.

[thaX]

When the GM is the guy you killed in a game two weeks ago...

[El Baron de los Banditos]

thaX wrote:

When the GM is the guy you killed in a game two weeks ago...

Any scene akin to one from a "-- of the Dead" movie is asking for trouble, especially if they player is a sentient undead.

[The Beard]

When you realize that kill you scored on the GM's wife's main last week was permanent; no resources left to buy a rez.

[hotsauceman]

Your Ex is the Gm. Happened to a friend of mine. Guess whose Cleric somehow ended up as a tank?
When you get there and the gm says "Ok, what am I running?"
When you are the only one who is over 14 at the table(Happened to me, got the toilet an just immature jokes where the worse.
When the GM doesnt know a Nat 1 misses

[BigNorseWolf]

The DM wants you to fill out an index card with ac, saves, perception score, sense motive, and whether they would go better with white or red wine.

[Meat]

Your GM for the GC special bailed and Mike Brock has to fill in and he hasn't slept in over 48 hours :-)

[Mystically Inclined]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

The DM wants you to fill out an index card with ac, saves, perception score, sense motive, and whether they would go better with white or red wine.

This is a bad thing?

I love those cards. They're great initiative trackers. Though mostly I'm concerned with player name, character name, initiative bonus, and possibly perception or sense motive if I know i will have to roll those secretly.

[Darrell Impey UK]

I think you may have missed the last line...

[Mystically Inclined]

I figured he was making an over-exaggeration to underline his point.

[The Beard]

The GM challenges you to a drinking contest while dressed up as Cayden Cailean (and loses).

[Spastic Puma]

You play a monk and you find out crane style has been changed...

[The Beard]

.. you play a rogue and you find out the class hasn't been changed.

[hotsauceman]

you play a zen archer and eveyone does aswell. Seen that happen

[BigNorseWolf]

hotsauceman wrote:

you play a zen archer and eveyone does aswell. Seen that happen

[kobold pincushion]I don't want to fight in the shade![/kobold pincushion]

[The Beard]

You see the same GM sitting across from you that gave you an alignment infraction last game for putting a non-lethal poison on your weapons. ... As a ninja.

[Janzbane]

Your fighter with 12 Cha is forced to play the "face" because the person playing the summoner wont ever talk.

Your OCD min/maxer friend is still mad at you for playing a fighter with a positive Cha score.

[hotsauceman]

Janzbane wrote:

Your OCD min/maxer friend is still mad at you for playing a fighter with a positive Cha score.

OMG that is so annoying, My gunslinger has a +1 in INT. Why? So I couldd speak Elvish for her background. I dont care if I didnt dumb any stats. She is well rounded in general and you guys where happy when I talked the 7 thugs from killing us out of it.

[Sitri]

...your party doesn't have a tank and your wife starts emasculating a table full of guys for not wanting to play hard mode.

Two people died (three if you count one saved by breath of life) and we were one round from failing the mission.

[BigNorseWolf]

the ranger wants to roll 2d8 for hitpoints at first level

Your barbarian is not smarter than a 5th grader

Your wizard is not smarter than a 5th grader

Someone asks when the players learn real spells

Someone thinks dark dungeons is a documentary

The eidolons build comes with a flowchart

The cleric passes out 6 rings for shield other with the phrase "with this ring I thee wed..."

It was taco day at lunch

The DM has lain a tarp down under the seating area

and you're a redneck. No wait.. wrong series of jokes.

[Kobold Catgirl]

Andrew Roberts wrote:

LOL.

*whistles*

Hey, only ONE person died, and it wasn't even the person I was after. ;)

...and the GM bent on killing one of the other players has bad aim.

The Beard wrote:

That's when I take away their mancard (if male) and remove myself from the premises. ... Forever.

Said the guy with King Sombra mascara.

[Tim Statler]

It is a social scenario and everyone is playing a barbarian with Int and Cha dumpstated.

[Merisal The Risen]

It is a social scenario and EVERYONE is playing a bard

[Dame Kerline]

you sit down at a 7-11 table as the only healer, and the gym says hes on a kill streak of 8 divine casters in a row. (ur playing a monk using clw wands)

[Janzbane]

hotsauceman wrote:

Janzbane wrote:

Your OCD min/maxer friend is still mad at you for playing a fighter with a positive Cha score.

OMG that is so annoying, My gunslinger has a +1 in INT. Why? So I couldd speak Elvish for her background. I dont care if I didnt dumb any stats. She is well rounded in general and you guys where happy when I talked the 7 thugs from killing us out of it.

Right?? I'm also going to put points into my wizard's cha, and give him the trait for diplomacy. I am far too gregarious of a person to dump that stat.

[The Beard]

The entire table (sans yourself) just ate a bunch of those industrial strength laxative infused brownies you prepared for the GM.

[BigNorseWolf]

Janzbane wrote:

hotsauceman wrote:

Janzbane wrote:

Your OCD min/maxer friend is still mad at you for playing a fighter with a positive Cha score.

OMG that is so annoying, My gunslinger has a +1 in INT. Why? So I couldd speak Elvish for her background. I dont care if I didnt dumb any stats. She is well rounded in general and you guys where happy when I talked the 7 thugs from killing us out of it.

Right?? I'm also going to put points into my wizard's cha, and give him the trait for diplomacy. I am far too gregarious of a person to dump that stat.

Just get clever word play and use your int mod for diplomacy.

[Memento Mortis]

Your GM preemptively asks everyone's Flat-Footed Touch AC.

[The Beard]

You see a bunch of ghosts on the scenario's cover when the GM goes to open it. .... Your party is level 1-2, and you're the only person that brought holy water.

[RainyDayNinja]

Memento Mortis wrote:

Your GM preemptively asks everyone's Flat-Footed Touch AC.

...the GM pre-emptively asks everyone's Knowledge (nobility) bonus. Oh, you can't make it untrained? *scribbles note*

[Dhjika]

thaX wrote:

When the GM is the guy you killed in a game two weeks ago...

... when the module is Broken Chains and you are a table of 3 with a pregen.

[Dhjika]

Meat wrote:

Your GM for the GC special bailed and Mike Brock has to fill in and he hasn't slept in over 48 hours :-)

Then I guess you have to give up your six-pack of Terrapin Rye Ale (or other fine craft beer) for the party survival.

[Michael Brock]

When you show up to GM a 7-11 table of "real" characters and when you go to pass the tracking sheet out, you get six blank stairs and people asking "What's this for?"

[Michael Brock]

Meat wrote:

Your GM for the GC special bailed and Mike Brock has to fill in and he hasn't slept in over 48 hours :-)

That was a terrifically fun game! "I'm sure you could hitch a ride on the back of the tiny creature hovering over lava. Do you still wish you to try?" ;-)

[The Beard]

Michael Brock wrote:

Meat wrote:

Your GM for the GC special bailed and Mike Brock has to fill in and he hasn't slept in over 48 hours :-)

That was a terrifically fun game! "I'm sure you could hitch a ride on the back of the tiny creature hovering over lava. Do you still wish you to try?" ;-)

.... Yes, yes I do.

[TriOmegaZero]

...the GM says 'Welcome to Bonekeep!'

[Michael Brock]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

...the GM says 'Welcome to Bonekeep!'

And the party says, "We want to try to roleplay through it."

[Michael Brock]

When the GM (who is also a VC) says, "There is NOTHING you can do to send this scenario off the rails."