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leo1925 |
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I think this line in simulacrum:
(and the appropriate hit points, feats, skill ranks, and special abilities for a creature of that level or HD)
would make it incredibly difficult to adjudicate in PFS and is so clearly in a gray area I would recommend GMs in PFS not use it at all unless specifically called for it in the scenario.
In home games make sure you spend the time to carefully balance the abilities of the creature with abilities of creatures of appropriate CR so you don't turn a game into a joke.
Yes i thought about that but since we have almost* zero guidelines or rules on the number and nature of the special abilities gained by monsters as they increase in CR i didn't mention it, i mentioned feats and skill points which both have set quantities based on hit die.
*the only rule i can think of is that a mythic monster gains a number of extra abilities equal to it's mythic rank+1
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Victor Von Fausten |
Very simple. I would allow it. The sorcerer would have to have a metal fork attuned to the plane to which he want to travel, since no doubt such an item would cost more than 1,000 gp.
Also the plane shift spell states that the caster may appear 5 to 500 miles from his intended destination and who knows what wonders may await him there.
Be careful what you wish for sorcerer, you may just get it.
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leo1925 |
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Very simple. I would allow it. The sorcerer would have to have a metal fork attuned to the plane to which he want to travel, since no doubt such an item would cost more than 1,000 gp.
Also the plane shift spell states that the caster may appear 5 to 500 miles from his intended destination and who knows what wonders may await him there.
Be careful what you wish for sorcerer, you may just get it.
Can you tell where do you get the prices for those metal forks, because i can't find them in the plane shift spell.
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Victor Von Fausten |
Can you tell where do you get the prices for those metal forks, because i can't find them in the plane shift spell
Good question. The plane shift spell doesn't say how to attune the fork. I came up with several schemes to make it cost that much, but they are all too complicated and would just bog down the game. So let's just skip the expensive fork. You got me on that one.
I would still allow it due to the 5 to 500 mile miss range. Oh the fun you can have plopping them down in the middle of a bad situation. Using wish or limited Wish to circumvent other rules tends to rub the universe the wrong way. Letting them do it, but making the results less ideal than they expected is better than just rule lawering. Instead of creating an argument, it makes for fun as they try to get out of a problem they themselves created by being too clever by half.
Sorry about doing the reply wrong, I'm relatively new to message boards.
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Narquelion |
Undone wrote:Simulacrum really just needs a hard errata which states it can only be used on the caster.Not it doesn't. It needs a standardized template.
That would be nice, yeah. Also some rules about what a simulacrum of a specific guy knows, and how to make less/more complete simulacra (so that if you make a simulacrum of your buddy with his full collaboration you get a copy that knows where the secret doors in your buddy's castle are, but if you make a simulacrum of the big bad it will not be able to spill his secrets).
Ashiel posted a houserule to make simulacra a little less powerful and more standardized, but still awesome.
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Undone |
This may be a stupid question, but wouldn't the magic bandersnatch simulacrum's antimagic field suppress itself? It's only partially real. Which means it's partially illusion.
It has a duration of instantaneous so I believe it stops being a magic effect at the end of the casting. It's the illusion subschool but it's partially real.
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Berinor |
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From what they have said, having any clicks puts it on their list. From there, I think higher number of clicks says two things:
1.) Having a reasonable number of clicks makes them less likely to mark No Answer Required. This is because their confidence that it's clear needs to overshadow the statement of people that it's not. One person saying it's unclear is easy to disagree with. 1000 is less so.
2.) I imagine it provides some indication of priority. Other than pet issues (which I suspect Mark S brought a number of when he joined the dev team), I imagine them pulling up the list of FAQs and sorting it somehow, and age and number of clicks seem like the two most likely criteria there. From there, I see them scanning the list and deciding which they feel they can tackle today. The more often they see something the more it niggles at them and so that gives it some priority, too. What this would mean is having a large number of clicks gets you regular consideration for answering. Being a compelling/confusing/interesting/particularly problematic question gets you picked.
I have no actual knowledge of how it works, but that's how I would do it given the glimpses we already have. The 37 clicks puts it on the list of things they intend to get to, but clicks isn't what puts something on top. Also, if it were, 37 is not nearly the number to get there.
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Ravingdork |
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CWheezy wrote:I don't think it is possible to use smulacrum in a non broken way, it is just so broken even with copies of yourself .While I simply ban the spell I feel that it needs a blog defining "Abilities appropriate for it's hitdice."
A good blog covering the spell's myriad ambiguities in detail would be a good compromise I think.
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From what they have said, having any clicks puts it on their list. From there, I think higher number of clicks says two things:
1.) Having a reasonable number of clicks makes them less likely to mark No Answer Required. This is because their confidence that it's clear needs to overshadow the statement of people that it's not. One person saying it's unclear is easy to disagree with. 1000 is less so.
2.) I imagine it provides some indication of priority. Other than pet issues (which I suspect Mark S brought a number of when he joined the dev team), I imagine them pulling up the list of FAQs and sorting it somehow, and age and number of clicks seem like the two most likely criteria there. From there, I see them scanning the list and deciding which they feel they can tackle today. The more often they see something the more it niggles at them and so that gives it some priority, too. What this would mean is having a large number of clicks gets you regular consideration for answering. Being a compelling/confusing/interesting/particularly problematic question gets you picked.
I have no actual knowledge of how it works, but that's how I would do it given the glimpses we already have. The 37 clicks puts it on the list of things they intend to get to, but clicks isn't what puts something on top. Also, if it were, 37 is not nearly the number to get there.
I have been busy and I feel like responding... 37 people asking for a FAQ is far more then the last couple that I have seen FAQ'd. I feel that a post with over 100 posts and 38 people now clicked in thinking it needs a FAQ should be reason enough to FAQ it.
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I believe you can use limited Wish to do so via RAW.
Here's my thoughts.
If you are a Magus who took a level 1 dip in Wizard, can you use your Wizard slots to spellstrike* shocking grasp? If I'm remembering correctly the answer is no.
(I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure).
So if Shocking Grasp, in this situation, doesn't count as a Magus spell, then why would Plane Shift count, when it's coming from a different list, as a Wizard spell?
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Undone |
I believe you can use limited Wish to do so via RAW.
Here's my thoughts.
If you are a Magus who took a level 1 dip in Wizard, can you use your Wizard slots to spellstrike* shocking grasp? If I'm remembering correctly the answer is no.
(I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure).So if Shocking Grasp, in this situation, doesn't count as a Magus spell, then why would Plane Shift count, when it's coming from a different list, as a Wizard spell?
Well first off there's more issues than casting simulacrum off limited wish via SLA.
Does it let you violate material components which are part of the spell being copied? Probably not.
Does it let you violate the 12 hour casting time? Possibly? Duplicate is poorly defined.
Does it let you violate the spell level because of the summoner list? No. It's still a wizard spell.
Secondly I just checked the magus FAQ and that issue was never answered. So this would answer it with yes you can cast other classes spells with spell strike IF the spell is on the magus spell list which is not really something I have a problem with.
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DinosaursOnIce wrote:I believe you can use limited Wish to do so via RAW.
Here's my thoughts.
If you are a Magus who took a level 1 dip in Wizard, can you use your Wizard slots to spellstrike* shocking grasp? If I'm remembering correctly the answer is no.
(I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure).So if Shocking Grasp, in this situation, doesn't count as a Magus spell, then why would Plane Shift count, when it's coming from a different list, as a Wizard spell?
Well first off there's more issues than casting simulacrum off limited wish via SLA.
Does it let you violate material components which are part of the spell being copied? Probably not.
Does it let you violate the 12 hour casting time? Possibly? Duplicate is poorly defined.
Does it let you violate the spell level because of the summoner list? No. It's still a wizard spell.
Secondly I just checked the magus FAQ and that issue was never answered. So this would answer it with yes you can cast other classes spells with spell strike IF the spell is on the magus spell list which is not really something I have a problem with.
Well, firstly, I probably should have said that I was just directly answering the original question, but I forgot to clarify that. As far as Simalcrum is concerned I don't know enough about the spell to have an opinion (I would like a snow globe though, preferably one that grants wishes).
Other than that, okay then, I'll buy it.
I don't know of anything that actually calls out Cleric spells from being different other than having a different spell level attached to it and not strictly being arcane.
But it does beg the question of what a spell chooses to identify as, if it's level and magical association (divine/arcane) are at all relevant. Maybe Divine Plane Shift imagines itself to be the (metaphorical) hand of its associated God, while Arcane Planeshift says "I am God".
On an unrelated note, I'm glad to know this about spellstrike, for some crazy reason I've always assumed there was some weird restriction in place o_O