How are GM-star replays working out?


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Silver Crusade 2/5

Myles, you have the pre-release version of the GtOP. Download it again, and you will have the production version, with the once per lifetime rule.

Scarab Sages 4/5

Myles Crocker wrote:
Ferious Thune wrote:
Myles Crocker wrote:
I am sure you all know this, but the replays you get for your stars renew at each Gen Con each year.

Download the guide again. As mentioned up thread, that was the language in the Beta version of the 5.0 Guide to Organized Play, but it was revised before the official 5.0 version of the Guide was released. GM Star replays are currently one per star per lifetime, and they do not renew at GenCon.

EDIT - ninja'd by Patrick, and yes, people do seem very confused about this particular point.

Ferius thank you for the clarification.

And just to clarify my clarification, the language that Patrick posted is the current and correct language that is in the GtoP. I was typing my message when he posted, not in reply to him, but it was meant to be in agreement with him. Under the current rules, you may re-play or re-run one scenario per GM star ever. There is no renewing of GM Star replay credits. While it is possible that will change in the future, that is currently where things stand.

Spread the word, because a lot of people are (understandably) still confused. A lot of language changed from the Beta guide 5.0 to the official guide 5.0, so I encourage everyone to download it again if you can't remember when you last did, just to be sure you have the latest version.

Sovereign Court 5/5

I too 'wasted' a replay under the impression that the replays would refresh the first day of every Gen Con. Had I known at the time that my replay wouldn't refresh, I wouldn't have spent it. I'd have rather played at that table for no credit and save the replay for a special boon or chronicle item for a character that could really make great use of it.

I suppose it's better to use a replay than never use it because you save it forever.. but mark me down as one of those who think it SHOULD refresh every year.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/5

Ferious Thune wrote:
A lot of language changed from the Beta guide 5.0 to the official guide 5.0, so I encourage everyone to download it again if you can't remember when you last did, just to be sure you have the latest version.

The download date is part of the watermark at the top and bottom of every page. My version was downloaded on Aug 12, 2013 and has the final wording.

Dark Archive 4/5

I used all mine already to make tables run (bumping them from 2 players to 3 plus a pregen), and I regret nothing I had a blast playing my PC's through the scenarios and helping other guys out at making sure their tables ran, I see no reason to replay Eyes of the Ten, and actually I encourage people to not do so the cherry picking of boons using replays is a quick way to ensure that replaying becomes a once ever thing.

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Myles Crocker wrote:
I am sure you all know this, but the replays you get for your stars renew at each Gen Con each year.

Sorry Dude, if you download the Guide today you'll see they are one-off lifetime replay.

It caught me out too...I didn't know there was such a thing as pre-release.

Had I known, I would have played for no credit and saved my Star for something more special.

The Exchange 4/5 Owner - D20 Hobbies

Lifetime definitely influences their use, by making us "save them" for important scenarios.

I've used one for something with a caster item I got on a melee and replayed to get that item on a caster.

I'll consider replaying Bonekeep with a second character (I and II), so that would make it 3 of my 4 used.

Of the 10 or so stars in the area, I've only known one other person who replayed from a GM star.

I've ran into a lot of people who would have replayed but when I explained to them it was lifetime not yearly they changed their mind.

The Exchange 4/5

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I have recently introduced my 12 year old granddaughter to Pathfinder and am using my replays when I need to have my PC play an adventure her character is playing.

The Exchange 4/5

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Paz wrote:
Ferious Thune wrote:
A lot of language changed from the Beta guide 5.0 to the official guide 5.0, so I encourage everyone to download it again if you can't remember when you last did, just to be sure you have the latest version.
The download date is part of the watermark at the top and bottom of every page. My version was downloaded on Aug 12, 2013 and has the final wording.

If they ever take a vote, I'd be voting for annual refresh.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 **** Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau

Joe M. wrote:
I very strongly encourage a revision of the system to allow stars to renew. When we *thought* that's how it worked, it made scheduling certain difficult but good-for-the-community tables much easier to make happen. I don't see much downside to allowing the replays to refresh (you'd hope that 3-5 star GMs would use them responsibly anyway!), and I've seen a real upside.

I agree with this. Right now, my players are hoarding their stars for a replay of Eyes of the Ten, since they are afraid there might never be another Retirement arc of scenarios and will not recharge yearly.

Scarab Sages 4/5

I really can't remember seeing many (any?) people recently saying they don't want the replays to renew. I didn't go back through this whole thread, so there might be one or two. But a very unscientific polling seems the be in favor of that.

Locally, I haven't seen one used yet. There have been a couple of people who said they'd probably use one to replay Waking Rune, a few more who've said maybe to replay a scenario they didn't finish or don't remember, and a couple who've said they might save them for Eyes of the Ten. I could end up going for any of those three options. My instinct is to save them for EotT, because there are only so many ways to get a character to level 13, but the chances of me getting to four stars in the near future are slim. So we'll see.

3/5

There are so many scenarios I haven't played, so I see no point in replaying. But I happily use my replays when I GM a scenario a second time to credit an extra character.
Untill now, I've only used one star to give a Bonekeep chronicle to an extra character.

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Sidney Kuhn wrote:
I have recently introduced my 12 year old granddaughter to Pathfinder and am using my replays when I need to have my PC play an adventure her character is playing.

That is a good use :-)

The Exchange 5/5

How would you guys feel if you could get your stars refreshed by volunteering to GM at GenCon or your local regional convention/online event? Each new season you could get them back, you just have to do some volunteer time in exchange for a seasonal boon. Does that seem like a fair trade?

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Doug Miles wrote:
How would you guys feel if you could get your stars refreshed by volunteering to GM at GenCon or your local regional convention/online event? Each new season you could get them back, you just have to do some volunteer time in exchange for a seasonal boon. Does that seem like a fair trade?

You already have to do volunteer work to get them - GM tables. I wouldn't be opposed to the concept in general, though.

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Doug Miles wrote:
Does that seem like a fair trade?

Not really. In addition to a nightmare of validation, one of the key 'boons' of star rewards is spreading various benefits out to places that don't have conventions.

The hard-working GM, tirelessly keeping a small group going far from big cities might have to rerun scenarios many times as people cycle in and out.

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Netopalis wrote:
Doug Miles wrote:
How would you guys feel if you could get your stars refreshed by volunteering to GM at GenCon or your local regional convention/online event? Each new season you could get them back, you just have to do some volunteer time in exchange for a seasonal boon. Does that seem like a fair trade?
You already have to do volunteer work to get them - GM tables. I wouldn't be opposed to the concept in general, though.

This.

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I'd prefer it over a never renew policy, but I'd feel like I was being made to jump through extra hoops, and I'm already volunteering.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 **

I'll probably sit on them forever if they don't renew in some way.

3/5

To answer the one-time versus renewable question, the campaign staff can just ask itself what it wants the star-replays to do. Do they want people to be able to replay tables to help other tables go off, while keeping replay very limited so we don't get a deluge of replay, or do they want people to rarely ever replay, because they see it as something which is only beneficial to the replaying player?

Or...
Does the staff want replay to occur in limited amounts, or do they not want to it occur? If the former, GM replays need to be renewable. If not, then the current system is fine.

-Matt

Scarab Sages 5/5

I honestly don't see a problem with a number of people replaying scenarios every year. It's already written in the guide if you're being disruptive and ruining other people's fun by metagaming and such, the GM has every right to kick you out. I think that'd be the only issue with allowing star replays to replenish every year, lots of people with a star replay "flooding" tables of games they're already played. To be honest, this isn't too different from someone who runs a scenario and then plays it, he knows what's coming, he knows what to expect.
I'd love to see the replays be renewable, but if that doesn't happen, I don't see myself replaying any scenario unless under very rare circumstances.

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I have no problems sitting at a table for no credit so the table can go off, but I do think the replays make it more fun. I have a better time role playing when it's my own character instead of a pregen. Granted, there's nothing preventing me from using my own character regardless, but the 'all risk, no reward' rules regarding death and consumables discourage it.

Dark Archive 4/5

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I believe that GM-star-replays should reset at the GenCon new year. I think its a vital way to reward GMs who dedicate so much time and energy to our society.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 RPG Superstar 2008 Top 8

I've used 2/3 of my replays: 1 as a character development issue, the other because I got a free slot at Megacon...

I'd like more replay options, it makes sense as a GM reward...especially for modules or linked scenerios.

3/5

I don't actually have any yet*, but I suspect I will be very loathe to use them once I do so if the current system remains. So I definitely think annual resets would be a good idea!

glass.

(* I did briefly until yesterday, when I realised I had somehow manage to report one table twice. I'll get it for real in a fortnight...)

The Exchange 5/5

Joseph Yerger wrote:

I've used 2/3 of my replays: 1 as a character development issue, the other because I got a free slot at Megacon...

I'd like more replay options, it makes sense as a GM reward...especially for modules or linked scenerios.

I'm like Joseph...

used 2 of 3: both were to "make" a table... to play a table with friends that wouldn't have had 4 players without me.

4/5

I'm using my first replay on Tomb of the Iron Medusa, which we got most of the way through now. We only have a party of 4...wouldn't have happened without me because there's no level 13-15 pregens available. I probably would have wanted to replay anyway, because that's an awesome module and high level play is fun. :p

And we are all having a blast with it!

4/5

I haven't used any replay credits. I would for a good module or something, but they seem like precious gold and they should be hoarded, preciously.

Shadow Lodge *

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I've decided that I'll use my first star to replay the Temple of Empyreal Enlightenment.

Spoiler:
With my Cleric of Naderi, who is never shy about engaging in matters of doctrine. It will either be awesome or disastrous, but guaranteed to be spectacular.

Silver Crusade 5/5

I have used all of mine. As I get more stars I'll probably use them up pretty quick. I am sure there are optimized ways to use them, but I tend toward making tables and still getting credit for 4 hours of my time out weighs optimizing the reward.

Silver Crusade 2/5 *

Under A Bleeding Sun wrote:
they seem like precious gold and they should be hoarded, preciously.

"My Precious" has not been spent yet either.

Shadow Lodge 3/5

It's going to take miracle circumstances before I spend my replays on a never-renew basis. Waiting to see if the rules change for season 6.

Shadow Lodge 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 ***** Contributor

Used my first GM-Star replay today for Siege of the Diamond City - my Venture Captain (Level 13.2) Pirate is now 14, as a result :)

Fun one to replay with friends who hadn't played it before!

3/5

As someone who's about to earn his first star, and has run out of 1-5s to play, I certainly hope that the will renew.

Scarab Sages 4/5 RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16

I have used 2 of my 3 available replays. I don't understand why some people are essentially hoarding them. If you never use them it is effectively like not having them at all. Also if no-one uses them this first year, how will Mike and John have any data to decide if they should become renewable?

Unless, of course, you are opposed to even limited replay on a philosophical basis. Which some people are.

Grand Lodge 5/5

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I haven't used mine because I almost never get to play, always the GM never the player :)

Dark Archive 3/5

Just make sure you do not burn out, man. We had our founding VC burn out from not taking opportunities to play, which killed half of our community. To make sure this doesn't happen again I try and give our current VL opportunities to play by taking over every so often.
I am almost at that first star and plan to use it for something special (bonekeep or waking rune).

Shadow Lodge 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 ***** Contributor

For me, it's been timing more than anything - wanting to use them for games when characters I have fit the story of a scenario really well (or in the case of my post-EoT character, one of only two scenarios where he can play as a level 13+ short of a module).

Liberty's Edge 4/5 *

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I used one replay to let my new Archivist Bard play CSI: Absalom (also known as "God's Market Gamble"). She's something of a Kreighton Shane fangirl, and I couldn't resist having her in one of the few scenarios he gives the briefing for.

I'm planning to use another for my (ahem) Free Merchant magus to play "No Plunder, No Pay". I'm trying to see how many ships he can commandeer. (He is currently the captain of the Hydra's Fang, fresh out of having its hold thoroughly scrubbed.)

Shadow Lodge 1/5

Majuba wrote:
Doug Miles wrote:
Does that seem like a fair trade?

Not really. In addition to a nightmare of validation, one of the key 'boons' of star rewards is spreading various benefits out to places that don't have conventions.

The hard-working GM, tirelessly keeping a small group going far from big cities might have to rerun scenarios many times as people cycle in and out.

I agree. Half my tables came from helping one store keep going during a period when they were short on gms. I don't see how this is any less valuable than volunteering for a large con. I do not mind a minimal commitment to renew each year, say 3 to 5 tables gmed per star with all stars potentially renewing even if they didn't the previous year.

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 *** Venture-Captain, Netherlands

Kerney wrote:
Majuba wrote:
Doug Miles wrote:
Does that seem like a fair trade?

Not really. In addition to a nightmare of validation, one of the key 'boons' of star rewards is spreading various benefits out to places that don't have conventions.

The hard-working GM, tirelessly keeping a small group going far from big cities might have to rerun scenarios many times as people cycle in and out.

I agree. Half my tables came from helping one store keep going during a period when they were short on gms. I don't see how this is any less valuable than volunteering for a large con. I do not mind a minimal commitment to renew each year, say 3 to 5 tables gmed per star with all stars potentially renewing even if they didn't the previous year.

This. Not everyone has time or money to go to a large con. And not every country has one. So that would not be fair to GM's that put in a lot of time and effort.

Grand Lodge 5/5

Pretty sure I wont use mine except to get credit for running multiple times. Even if they become renewable.

Lantern Lodge 5/5

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GM star replay story:

I burnt my second star to replay a particular scenario to obtain a pretty awesome item.

Then we ran from the encounter that had it, leaving it off the cert.

#karma

Sovereign Court 4/5

I've used one GM star to replay Dalsine Affair. The first time I played it the whole team got their butts kicked in the very first encounter due to some very unlucky rolls.

A "0 to everything" chronicle didn't look good, so I chose to replay it.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/5 *

I'd be flabbergasted if Star replays allow you to replay a scenario/module with the same character which is one reading of your post Deussu

As for replays refreshing. A reset of replays for Gencon next year should see if the impact of replay hoarders spending their stars is a bad thing. I have not seen anyone claiming that replays have been a disaster so a refresh looks likely at this stage. (Purely from an outsiders perspective with no more than the initial plan to annually refresh to go on)

4/5 5/5

Merisal The Risen wrote:
I'd be flabbergasted if Star replays allow you to replay a scenario/module with the same character which is one reading of your post Deussu

He didn't. I was the GM for the second game, and I very clearly remember Deussu's frustration over not being able to play a character properly in the subtier we ended up in because the character he'd used on the previous playthrough was the only one he had in that subtier.

Anyway, it's been almost a year since the star replays came out, and I'm still sitting on mine. I originally planned to use my stars on scenarios where we had a TPK: however, as time has gone by, I've decided I'll use them on scenarios I enjoyed if I get the chance to play them, since it's pretty unlikely I'll get to play those specific scenarios. I've been getting very slightly more mileage out of the GM star chronicle boon.

4/5

it's a great perk and big dreams on how to use them(Rise of the Runelords scenarios, EotTen, RatsoRMtn, ...) I've just been GMming more than I play...

We are running a whole set of the Rise of the Runelords scenarios at a con but I'm GMming Bonekeep(s) <EvilGrin> so I traded one for another... it'll be a blast as we have some seriously well designed PCs in the groups and I'm sure we'll see some GM stars spent. It's part of the Con draw for experienced players.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16

Perhaps refreshed replays would work with a limit of only use a refresh on each mod once? That keeps them from being used as annual EoT boons. (Have to admit though, a high level mod worth reuniting once a year with new chars sounds cool. Don't think EoT is that.)

Silver Crusade 4/5 5/55/55/5 RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8

Thrawn007 wrote:

Perhaps refreshed replays would work with a limit of only use a refresh on each mod once? That keeps them from being used as annual EoT boons. (Have to admit though, a high level mod worth reuniting once a year with new chars sounds cool. Don't think EoT is that.)

That is how the rules are currently written. A person can only get three Chronicle sheets total for any given scenario/module: one for playing, one for GMing, and one using a GM star to replay for credit or gain a second Chronicle sheet for GMing.

Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play page 20 wrote:

Alternatively, campaign GMs who are recognized for their efforts by receiving GM stars (see page 37), may receive additional player or GM credit for a number of

non-Tier 1 scenarios or sanctioned modules per GM star they have earned... For each of these adventures, she can thus earn a total of three Chronicle sheets, rather than the two normally allowed.

2/5

I've not used my one star yet. I GM twice as much as I play, so the replay star will eventually be used for a scenario I've GM'd twice. If they renewed, I'd almost guarantee I will use them for Tier 1-5 scenarios. If they don't renew, I'm not sure if I'll ever use them.

I work to organize a group of PFS players that sport 2 to 3 tables. It would be nice to be able to GM the same scenario for all the players and get table credit for it.

It becomes a game of tetris trying to fit 15ish people into the scenarios while trying to work-share the GM load. When that second table makes and suddenly I need a second GM, it would be nice to have someone able to simply GM a previous scenario twice and still get credit. Yeah, this might seem like "greedy" GM mentality, but literally, that GM is giving up their chance to play, spending prep time, and then spending time GMing. I'll never call that greedy.

And then there is the influx of new people. They start at level 1 and I'll be doing the heavy lifting trying to get them to the point of being able to play with the others. I've already had that happen once.

I hope that the GM Star Replay Credit is renewed every GenCon. Even if it isn't for "playing" a scenario, I hope that it will renew for GMing the scenario twice.

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