Just like title asks, cause i know i want and like monkey style but i don't want to pass up crane style if i can.
5th lvl character
debating 1 or two levels monk
Empyreal Sorceror for the rest
str 7
dex 18
con 12
int 7
wis 20
cha 7
Thanks Creatives Peoples
Can you give an example of what you mean by using Crane style with spell casting?
I think I get the idea. He wants to be able to deflect an attack while casting spells. Short answer: no.
You only get the benefits of Crane Style when you are 1. Using Total Defense or 2. Fighting Defensively. In any case it is a standard action/full round action to use these fighting styles. Since casting a spell is a standard action, you would not be able to do both.
I suppose you could cast a spell, hold the charge, and then on the next round fight defensively while making your attack roll (also, this could only ever work with spells that require attack rolls. You wouldnt be able to fight defensively and fireball, for example).
You could also theoretically cast a spell as a swift action (quicken spell) and, provided it had an attack roll, fight defensively while doing that.
Not 100% sure on all this btw, but I'm pretty confident in saying you can't combine Crane Style and spellcasting in any way that makes it really worth doing.
Maybe like holding a charge....? I reread the whole touch attack and holding charges, heck it sounds like just deflecting the attack would set off the charge and complete the spell.
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"Holding the CHARGE: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates..... Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack while holding a charge. If your unarmed attack normally doesn't provoke AoO, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge."
I would definitely grab crane wing lvl 1 and go sorceror.
But then again thats probably not the case (and I am talking master of many styles here) and you'd have to go 2 lvls Monk for full crane counter-attack.
So looks like this, cast touch spell, sit back defensively, discharge spell on AoO, cast another spell on your turn.
Does this work or is there something similar using the crane or should I just pick up the monkey?
The character is a dedicated sorceror just one or two lvls monk for AC. Of course I'm gonna try to squeeze out as much as possible out of that first lvl
You still can't cast a spell, hold the charge (aka not make an attack) and then fight defensively.
You can defensively attack an empty square, but you still need a standard action to do so. Similarly, the attack that you get to make when casting a touch spell is not a standard action attack or a full attack, so you can't fight defensively.
If you cast the spell, then fight defensively next round, sure. If you are a Magus using spellstrike, sure.
I'm also fairly sure there is a distinction between you touching something and something touching you. Anything *you* touch sets off the spell. It requires some sort of activity on your part. Something touching you does not set off the spell.
Otherwise: GM: "ooh, you're touching the ground right now. Now you're touching the air. now you're touching your clothes. "
So no, even if you were holding the charge and deflected an attack via crane style, you would not get to discharge the spell.
Well you could certainly discharge the spell using Crane Riposte after deflecting an attack.
Discharging the spell with the deflect is a no go. Similarly, you don't automatically discharge your touch spell if a target grapple's you just because you are touching them. You need to actually land the attack.
Now as to the issue of fighting defensively.. well it is a little weird, but that is the RAW. Mostly, I think this is to avoid someone, say, fighting defensively only on their last iterative attack, or doing it with an AoO.
Thems the breaks. To fight defensively, you need to take a standard action to attack (including all combat maneuvers) or a full round action to attack, not a standard action to cast a spell that grants an attack.
Houserulable? Absolutely. I would have no problem saying that you could fight defensively when making your touch attack personally. I think it fully matches the spirit of the rule.
Okay thats what I thought was at work, cast the spell next turn defensive.
So then here's the REAL QUESTION.
With THE SPELL: CHILL TOUCH
Will crane work with it, and if i'm not mistaken, does the spell reserve touch attacks until all charges are used?
Cast Spell, hold charge, next round, go defensive, attack -1 touch attack, enemy attacks, triggers deflect and AoO attack -1 touch attack, rinse repeat until charges are expended or another spell is cast.
and the last question. Does the touch attack of Chill Touch ask for both regular unarmed damage and chill touch damage or just chill touch damage? its late, i know i'm asking something different from above question. do i need to opt out of the touch attack(if there is a touch attack{big if}) in order to use an unarmed attack to deliver the charge,so that both damage die count or will the touch attack assume there is unarmed damage included the chill touch every time?
something like.
*Brain dribbles out nose*
Thanks Peoples
Are you talking about using Crane Riposte to make the counterattacks with? If so then, yes, I can't think of any reason why this would not be legal.
The answer to your last question is it depends. If you want to discharge the spell by using a touch attack, you do not get unarmed strike damage.
If you are discharging the spell as a consequence of holding the charge and connecting with an Unarmed Strike, you would get Unarmed Strike damage. You would also, however, need to hit normal AC in this case, and not touch AC.
awp832 is correct on both counts: You are considered to be 'holding the charge' on Chill Touch until you've delivered a number of effects equal to your CL; and you can deliver a charge using an unarmed strike versus AC and get unarmed strike damage.
If chill touch only had the cold descriptor, it'd allow rime metamagic, and that would be sick...
Just use Frostbite instead; it has the cold descriptor.awp832 is correct on both counts: You are considered to be 'holding the charge' on Chill Touch until you've delivered a number of effects equal to your CL; and you can deliver a charge using an unarmed strike versus AC and get unarmed strike damage.
If chill touch only had the cold descriptor, it'd allow rime metamagic, and that would be sick...
...thank you, I always forget that last line in the spell that makes it function like Chill Touch.
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With Chill Touch, you can absolutely do this. You won't be able to use Crane Wing during the round you cast the spell, but once it's been cast, you can deflect away until the spell expires, as long as you take either a standard action to attack someone defensively, or you perform the full attack action on your turn defensively.
No you can't use Crane Style and deflect attacks while casting spells.
I really wish the different combat styles were used to boost monks only, and that they required a certain number of monk levels to attain.
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No you can't use Crane Style and deflect attacks while casting spells.
I really wish the different combat styles were used to boost monks only, and that they required a certain number of monk levels to attain.
I am very glad they do not, since I like to make characters with cool abilities regardless of class. A crane style magus sounds awesome to me.