Not the best choice of Kree, especially since I'd prefer more Accusers and/or Supremor. But eh. Have they determined just how FAR into the future they are?
Also I think it's more likely that the whole "Earth went BOOM" comes from Thanos.
Have they determined just how FAR into the future they are?
I believe Deke gave them an approximation of 90 years.
So it might be a version of 2099, albeit without certain things.
Greenie,
Well not if there's no NYC...and especially no Doom.
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So, a couple of questions and observations:
Who kidnapped the team and sent them into the future? Fitz "wasn't on the list." Why not? (Maybe because the future sends a causality-bending message back to them: "don't bring Fitz.")
Who, in particular, was the guy in the human suit? Given the kid's drawing on the fridge, badoon? Or is this the AoS version of skrulls?
Why did those people send the SHIELD agents to that particular time and place? Does it have anything to do with the new visitors?
I liked the song at the beginning of the episode. "You're trying to get back home, until you realize you've been there all along."
Given the options already presented, I find it very unlikely that Quake was responsible for the destruction of Earth. Of the threats already shown in the series, my money would be on Gravitron.
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I am still interested in the ramifications of Phil Coulson making a deal with Ghost Rider at the end of the previous season.
Vijay is still going to be an Inhuman, yes?
Given the options already presented, I find it very unlikely that Quake was responsible for the destruction of Earth. Of the threats already shown in the series, my money would be on Gravitron
Its one of the fundamental problems of the time travel plot: it will never matter who did it in 'the future,' as when they finally get back, it will never happen.
Who, in particular, was the guy in the human suit? Given the kid's drawing on the fridge, badoon? Or is this the AoS version of skrulls?
That is pretty much the only interesting thing to explore here. Regardless of whatever shenanigans the rest of the team gets up to in the World That Doesn't Matter (because time travel reset button), I want to see Fitz and Skinsuit Guy engaging in some battle of wits or unexpected cooperation in the present. That will actually matter, barring actually killing or abandoning a team member to the AU future, which is actually more dependent on an actor leaving or hacking off the execs.
As far as season openers go, I thought it was an idiotic story, but entertaining nonetheless. I'm glad to see they're doing more with the Kree, especially that hottie with the killer floating balls. The leader dude seems kind of not very badass to me, though. He actually reminds me a bit of the Centauri Emperor Cartagia, from Babylon 5.
Definitely Cartagia. He isn't a character, he's a walking cliche.
I'm not even sure what they're doing- the logical thing is for the Kree to be migrating (or rather: have finished migrating) humanity to various parts of the Kree empire as a slave caste, but instead they're staging a really impractical version of Logan's Run, apparently because they're 1950s cartoon villains.
The theory the scooby gang came up with while exploring the haunted house was much better than what they ended up with. As a staging point for an invasion with a few human informants/servants, this works.
As the remains of the earth in the future, this is an exercise in futility. Logically, even if there were a magic rock or other MacGuffin to conveniently teleport the gang back to the present, odds are very high that it is not coincidentally located in the intact plate hanging outside the window or the giant space bunker, nor would any reference to it be left in an unguarded system in the VP area where Simmons will eventually trip over it.
For some reason, when I saw the guy in the human suit, I kept thinking of the D'bari.
FYI, the actress who plays the female Kree played Julian Mao in the Expanse. Was bugging me figuring that out.
Also, I almost expected them to bring back the actor who played Grant Ward for the Kree leader. :P
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Also, I almost expected them to bring back the actor who played Grant Ward for the Kree leader. :P
That would be funny if he turned into the Jeffrey Combs of Agents of SHIELD, showing up as different characters every season or two...
Set,
You mean Harrison Wells....
I guess it could be worse. the kree aren't the best people to depend on for your survival. but it could of been the skrull... It could however have been better I'm pretty sure the Shiar would of done a much better job. Maybe if we would of had inhumans ran kree then humans wouldn't of been left on a space station to constantly fight to the death. Also why they got to have the frickin annihilation wave on the ship. you don't want those pest hanging around. got to get rid of them (or maybe their the giant roaches from the end of the world hulk and hulk is down their on whats left of earth getting well you know.)
I was thinking that maybe it is the world post thanos and maybe somehow AOS can change some detail about the past and save the earth and they could of had something slight but that made a big difference happen in the avengers how cool would that be?
I enjoyed this opener a LOT. After getting bored to tears with the first 2 or 3 episodes of Inhumans... THIS was fun. Huge fan of Mack and Coulson and even YoYo's interactions. Almost everything they said had me grinning like a fool.
Don't love the kree or the time jump... It's amazing how this show just reinvents itself ever season... but I'd love to get back to some old-fashioned SHIELD action. Still, this may be fun.
Well the kree created inhumans as a "failed" attempt at making human weapons. another fun fact Ronan from GOTG was a kree.
Well the kree created inhumans as a "failed" attempt at making human weapons. another fun fact Ronan from GOTG was a kree.
Yep, I know. I thought Ronan was the weakest link of GOTG, I have always hated the inhumans and even in the comics I've just found Kree... dull. Just generic alien with laser guns.
At least Skrull had the shapeshifting... but kree were just blue humans and generally 'meh'. I liked the original Captain Marv-ell but only when he had the red/blue costume with the nega bands... which made him cooler than 'generic space soldier'.
Frankly as much a fan as I am of Green Lantern, I'm surprised over just ambivalent I have always been to cosmic Marvel. Shiar, Kree, Badoon, I never liked any of them.
The only thing really memorable about the kree to me is the giant brain in a jar that orders them all around. yeah they dropped the ball on ronan pretty hard.
The Shiar are at least some what interesting. the thing to remember about them is they evolved from birds so soo much is bird themed about them. Then of course they have the imperial guard pulled from many different planets. The imperial guard always seemed pretty BA to me. Gladiator and all them.
I notice marvel tends to have a lot more variety of alien species. I never see DC have too many aliens that aren't the last of their species. Its like humans are it unless you jump ahead to the legion.
The only thing really memorable about the kree to me is the giant brain in a jar that orders them all around. yeah they dropped the ball on ronan pretty hard.
The Shiar are at least some what interesting. the thing to remember about them is they evolved from birds so soo much is bird themed about them. Then of course they have the imperial guard pulled from many different planets. The imperial guard always seemed pretty BA to me. Gladiator and all them.
I notice marvel tends to have a lot more variety of alien species. I never see DC have too many aliens that aren't the last of their species. Its like humans are it unless you jump ahead to the legion.
I don't know DC has a pretty good array of alien races
DominatorsSpider Guild
Tamarins
Coluans
Duralans
Khunds
Thanagarins
Raanians
The Reach
White Martians
Zamorans
Space Dolphins
Ah space dolphins. they should really do more with space dolphins. as far as the thanagarians go I'm ok if hawk girl was the last of their race. (yes no hakwman please. )
To me the dominators, and white martians, are the same.
Also isn't tamarins those little monkeys?
Space Dolphins?
Dragon,
Don't ask.
I will agree Marvel's strength isn't in its aliens so much as its individual creatures from outer space (Fing Fan Foom guys?)
However to me the Kree are more like the explorers of the universe. And yes Ronan in GotG was very, VERY un-Ronan. But maybe they'll get Supermor back and he'll do something to bring the Kree back into prominence.
Also isn't tamarins those little monkeys?
Solar Powered Cat People (AKA: Starfire)
The only thing really memorable about the kree to me is the giant brain in a jar that orders them all around. yeah they dropped the ball on ronan pretty hard.
The Shiar are at least some what interesting. the thing to remember about them is they evolved from birds so soo much is bird themed about them. Then of course they have the imperial guard pulled from many different planets. The imperial guard always seemed pretty BA to me. Gladiator and all them.
I notice marvel tends to have a lot more variety of alien species. I never see DC have too many aliens that aren't the last of their species. Its like humans are it unless you jump ahead to the legion.
Imperial guard was always a Superboy and Legion of Superheroes copy, so I never took them too seriously. Although I really do like Gladiator as a kryptonian counterpart and Shiar themselves?? I think they would have been better if they hadn't had so much to do with the X-Men. The oppressed minority trying to defend a world that hates and fears them... Doesn't have any business in space :P Those stories just got too 'shark jumpy' for me.
DC has a lot of aliens... but they're mostly in Green Lantern mixed amongst the corp and we don't really see a lot about their culture or planets... but just about every one of those scenes look like something out of a Star Wars Cantina.
Also isn't tamarins those little monkeys?Solar Powered Cat People (AKA: Starfire)
Oh yeah thats right. IT is also the little monkeys btw I looked it up.
Starfire isn't the last of her people right? (not counting her sister)
Also isn't tamarins those little monkeys?Solar Powered Cat People (AKA: Starfire)Oh yeah thats right. IT is also the little monkeys btw I looked it up.
Starfire isn't the last of her people right? (not counting her sister)
No there is plenty of them, though I think they have a tendancy to get enslaved.
and they are actually cat people too. Simon and Jessica went back in time a few billion years and ran into one as the first Green Lanterns. Totally a humanoid Lion.
So Starfire is officially a Cat girl
How the heck do you enslave a race of starfires?
Hmm maybe I just feel that way because they just do less with them in the mainstream comics. I suppose darkseid and all his peepes count as aliens too.
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How the heck do you enslave a race of starfires?
[tangent] Starfire and Blackfire (and later their brother Ryandr?) were experimented on by a smart lizard race called the Psions to be able to generate their starbolts. So there were like, three of them. (And Blackfire was on the other side, Starfire was in exile, and Ryandr wasn't empowered yet, IIRC.)
The average Tamaranian can just fly and is stronger than a human (but like, MCU Captain America strong, not Thor/Hulk/Wonder Woman/Superman strong!). And their tech was at a medieval level, while the Gordanians and Citadelians, etc. that were dominating them had spaceships and orbital bombardment weapons that could devastate cities and disintegration guns and the like. [/tangent]
Enslaving a planetfull of Titanians (all telepaths), Durlans (all shapeshifters), Bgtzlns (all able to become intangible), Daxamites (all the powers of Superman!), Tromnites (all capable of transmuting elements), Coluans (all literally hundreds of thousands of times smarter than humans) or Martians (telepathic, telekinetic, density-shifting shapechangers with all the powers of Superman!), would be trickier...
DC's got some awesome alien races out there (particularly in the 30th/31st century)!
Oh oh I remember the gordanians!
You have to give the race that wiped out the martians credit. That was some impressive stuff right there. Martians are so OP.
I believe he meant Jeffrey Combs, who played at least 5 or 6 roles on Star Trek: Deep Space 9 (and that's not counting the different variations of Weyoun).Set,
You mean Harrison Wells....
Same deal...
What the heck is GOTG?
Guardians of the Galayx, Ed...
Oh, duh. :-)
oh son of a.......
The VR Speakeasy was built using bits and pieces of the Framework that he could salvage right?
what if one of those bits and pieces has Ward?
Grey,
Anything is possible!
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We have a Code of Honor. We won't kill someone. We'll just place him in a hold where he can sabotage our fuel supply.
But, hells, we'll be happy to plant a firearm on him so he can be tortured to death. But we won't kill him ourselves, because we have a Code of Honor!
Note: Code of Honor not applicable on sentient LMDs, Hydra agents, corpse-possessing aliens, or jacked-up cyborgs. (Or, for that matter, Kree, last week.) Some settling may occur.
-- Possessing firearms is a death sentence. Unless you're using it to save your life by killing someone else.
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I'd disagree with that. Mack, specifically, has a code of honor where he doesn't kill people in cold blood. The Kree were killed in a fight...as were most of the examples you just gave, actually.
Killing someone in a fight is vastly different from killing them in cold blood while you have them prisoner in many moral codes. Hell, that second one is against the Geneva convention sans trial. That's a reasonable distinction to make.
Coulson and May, I got the impression, were just going along with it for Mack's sake figuring they could come up with a way out (they're clearly pretty confident at this point...perhaps overly so). But even if they did agree with him, that'd be understandable (Coulson jkilled Ward in a moment of rage and has regretted it ever since given thye consequences, and May's dealing with a load of guilt from being Hydra in the framework).
All that isn't inconsistent because Yoyo (who was not on the shuttle to make her voice heard in the discussion) is the one who killed the guy...and clearly had absolutely no compunctions about doing so to save her friends and boyfriend.
Mack may be very displeased with her about this shortly...but the only way to save him at that point was to sacrifice her, and he sure wasn't gonna do that.
I'm not seeing any meaningful inconsistency or hypocrisy in any particular character's morality here. The inconsistencies only crop up when you start equating killing people who are trying to kill you with killing helpless prisoners or act like everyone in SHIELD has the exact same morality...but neither of those are true statements.
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I think Marvel Agents of SHIELD is a horrible way to evaluate honor. It's a bunch of half-baked spooks with dubious super secret training. Honor is not an elective.
If you want to observe someone crossing the line of his Code of Honor, watch the last Supernatural episode where Dean decides to threaten a young girl with a gun in order to find his mom's soul 'NO MATTER WHAT'.
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Green,
I'm pretty sure it was Thanos.
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Green,
I'm pretty sure it was Thanos.
That's what I've been thinking. I hope that if that's the case, they have a fun tie in from Agents of Shield near the end of the season to tie in with Avengers Infinity War...even with a small hope that Agent Coulson shows up in the movie to share critical intel about Thanos they got from the future. With 67 characters supposedly in the movie, having Coulson show up wouldn't be too far fetched, and they've denied they'll have TV characters show up in the movies for so long now that it could be a bit of misdirection they're finally ready to use.
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*note I've only seen like part of the first two parter, and have only read summaries of the third episode*
I like the theory that the Framework is blaming Quake for its destruction, not the actual Earth's. It makes a LOT of sense.
It could even be the Earth is fine and the Kree just captured the slaves and told them they had no home anymore. A few generations in with no hope of going home no one would have reason to doubt it. Or it could indeed be an alternate timeline that ties in with Thanos; depends on how much the movie and TV divisions are able to work together based on differing writing/shooting schedules.
Very torn about this season. On one hand, I really want to know where it's going and what it's developing toward. On the other, it's a bit dark for what I personally can take as a viewer right now. I need some fun secret agent pulp far more than MISERY AND SLAVERY IN SPACE. This is very much where I am personally, and YMMV. (())