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Folks, forgive my asking but, what the hell is the alternative? "There's a human alive and alone on a barren world out there. We have the means to save him, but my lovely colleague is soft on him after he saved her life for six months, so no, I'll let him die out there."
If "let's bring him home" is the measure of being an awesome dude, you have a pretty low bar, friends.
Folks, forgive my asking but, what the hell is the alternative? "There's a human alive and alone on a barren world out there. We have the means to save him, but my lovely colleague is soft on him after he saved her life for six months, so no, I'll let him die out there."
If "let's bring him home" is the measure of being an awesome dude, you have a pretty low bar, friends.
On the one hand, yes. Fitz does not "deserve" Simmons because she's a person not a treat. I'd be horribly disappointed if a Whedon show fell into the trap of reinforcing the attitude of nice guys winning the girl as a prize.
That having been said, people do deserve praise for doing the right thing. Fitz is doing the right thing despite the fact that it's very hard for him emotionally. That's not something to ignore either, just because it happens to be the right thing to do. People should be censured for bad behavior, of course, but they should also be praised for good behavior.
Moreover, it's pretty clear that both Simmons and Fitz have feelings for each other and have had for some time before this episode. It's turned out to be the real love story of the show (sad as I am that Amy Acker never turned out to be recurring). Wanting them to end up together is not just rooting for Fitz but for Simmons as well.
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@ Morty:
Another way to put it might be that Fitz, in that one moment on screen had the realization that he's never going to have Gemma as his love and it crushed him. Rather than rail at her or pity himself he got right up, went to the computers and had this second thought: If she's not happy with me then I'll move heaven and earth to find the guy she DOES want.
Either way my interpretation of the scene was that Fitz just really loves Gemma despite the fact that it's unrequited. He genuinely cares for her happiness, her well being. But more than that he's her BEST FRIEND.
I don't think that gets mentioned enough. Love gets tossed around quite a bit on TV shows but friendship is part of the true love package. Friends don't judge, they just do for one another. Need bail money at 2 o'clock in the morning? Best Friend. Need someone shoulder to shoulder with you in the fight of your life? Best Friend.
This scene really shows that, when the chips are down Gemma can ALWAYS count on Fitz for that friendship. Always. Think about that for a minute. I've loved quite a few people in my life and I've come to expect their condemnation on several situations. There's only a couple folks however who've reached a level of friendship that I can count on them through literally everything.
Gemma even said it herself, a couple times. She calls Fitz her best friend in this episode. I think this is a turning point in their relationship. They'll never be IN love with one another but they'll always love each other honestly, faithfully and in all ways. They'll ALWAYS be best friends.
And that's ANOTHER reason I think Simmons will go villain.
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Folks, forgive my asking but, what the hell is the alternative? "There's a human alive and alone on a barren world out there. We have the means to save him, but my lovely colleague is soft on him after he saved her life for six months, so no, I'll let him die out there."
If "let's bring him home" is the measure of being an awesome dude, you have a pretty low bar, friends.
Personally, I think Fitz is an awesome dude for many reasons. His complete lack of hesitation about opening a portal to a very dangerous alien planet where most people die horribly, just to rescue his friend's friend, is but the latest example of his awesomeness.
Darn it, they went for the obvious!
BTW, someone seriously needs to smack down Hunter, hard.
I am glad that Fitz is doing research about Will.
Well we know who Lash is now;)
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I am glad that Fitz is doing research about Will.
Yeah, but... there is the possibility that they are setting it up so that Fitz will have second thoughts and hold back info on a way to rescue Will... while still pretending to do his best.
Hopefully not. Sometimes a show tries too hard to make sure all its characters have 'human' flaws... and winds up making them all unlikable.
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Well, s!~& in a bag and punch it!
Poor mini Strucker.
Powers Booth as some bad ass Hydra MoFo?!? Aw, hell yeah! What makes that bit of casting even more interesting....If you'll recall, he was one of the World Security Council members in the first Avengers movie.....
Kick her ass Phil! KICK HER ASS!!!
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Sorry was reading a synopsis (have hulu) and the reviewer referred to the inhumans captured as 'When the pair finally make it there (as witnessed by Daisy and company via invisible micro drone), the facility essentially freezes capture Inhumans in amber.'
Read too much into it, I guess.
Hunter needs to be put on leave until he gets his head back in the game. I know he's always been headstrong, but he was not completely unlikable last season.
I think Dr. Garner has been Lash since before the Terrigen breakout. That way, Lash can keep his "not all inhumans are worthy of their gifts" view from the comics.
I wonder if Daisy will start revolting against Colson now. Somehow, she needs to be the voice for the inhumans since she's the only one in the show who views it as a good thing.
I am glad that Fitz is doing research about Will.Yeah, but... there is the possibility that they are setting it up so that Fitz will have second thoughts and hold back info on a way to rescue Will... while still pretending to do his best.
Hopefully not. Sometimes a show tries too hard to make sure all its characters have 'human' flaws... and winds up making them all unlikable.
More likely, fitz would find out that that WASN"T the astronaut and hold back.
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Hunter needs to be put on leave until he gets his head back in the game. I know he's always been headstrong, but he was not completely unlikable last season.
I think Dr. Garner has been Lash since before the Terrigen breakout. That way, Lash can keep his "not all inhumans are worthy of their gifts" view from the comics.
I wonder if Daisy will start revolting against Colson now. Somehow, she needs to be the voice for the inhumans since she's the only one in the show who views it as a good thing.
Spoilers are other people's friend. Also, polite. Some folks don't have the self-control to stay out of threads until after they've watched an episode.
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Hunter needs to be put on leave until he gets his head back in the game. I know he's always been headstrong, but he was not completely unlikable last season.
I think Dr. Garner has been Lash since before the Terrigen breakout. That way, Lash can keep his "not all inhumans are worthy of their gifts" view from the comics.
I wonder if Daisy will start revolting against Colson now. Somehow, she needs to be the voice for the inhumans since she's the only one in the show who views it as a good thing.
He was. He most probably became Inhuman when he dropped off the radar with Melinda.
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hah...I actually found Hunter the best thing about last night's episode. His attempts at "helping" the other folks were just hilarious.
Interesting thought:
Scary dude has a name:
hah...I actually found Hunter the best thing about last night's episode. His attempts at "helping" the other folks were just hilarious.
True; doesn't mean he doesn't need smacked upside his pointy little head.
Completely irrelevant fun fact: Powers Boothe (World Security Council Guy) was also the voice of Gorilla Grodd* on the Justice League animated series.
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Likewise. I feel like I should go back and watch the original Avengers flick just to see how knowing this about him changes things.
I think it needs to be looked at through the prism of the events from both Avengers and Winter Soldier. In Avengers, the World Security Council, of which his character seemed to be the lead at the time, made the decision to nuke New York City. This would have caused massive loss of life and destruction of property, as well as throwing the global economy into chaos.
Then, in Winter Soldier, the Powers Booth character is nowhere to be seen, and we instead get Alexander Pierce, secret leader of Hydra, in charge. This time, Hydra is moving forward with a plan of global domination whose seeds were planted in the first Avengers movie.
Now, from this Agents of SHIELD episode...
It did not succeed, however. He gets pushed out. Pierce rises up, then uses what chaos and fear was generated by the New York invasion to push forth with the long gestating Project Insight. This failure results in Hydra's eventual near total collapse.
Now we have Powers' character hooking up with the last remnants of Hydra. Maybe he's looking to make a comeback as the boss of bosses. Maybe he's juts looking to set up "one more head". Either way, such a potentially ruthless and powerful enemy spells trouble for SHIELD.
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Good analysis, AZ. That decision to fire a nuke at downtown Manhattan makes a lot more sense when you realize it's a win-win for HYDRA. It destroys the Chitauri and the Avengers, and it also would be the big push HYDRA needed across the finish line in their long game as revealed in Winter Soldier. Only issue I see with that decision is "what if it kills the Avengers, but doesn't kill the Chitauri?" Then Earth is screwed, and HYDRA loses. Of course, the flip side is that an Avengers victory wasn't anywhere near assured, so they have to assume that they will fail. Then again, in that nightmare scenario, HYDRA might be able to set themselves up as humanity's last line of defense now that the Avengers and SHIELD failed, and in that, they still win.
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Good analysis, AZ. That decision to fire a nuke at downtown Manhattan makes a lot more sense when you realize it's a win-win for HYDRA. It destroys the Chitauri and the Avengers, and it also would be the big push HYDRA needed across the finish line in their long game as revealed in Winter Soldier. Only issue I see with that decision is "what if it kills the Avengers, but doesn't kill the Chitauri?" Then Earth is screwed, and HYDRA loses. Of course, the flip side is that an Avengers victory wasn't anywhere near assured, so they have to assume that they will fail. Then again, in that nightmare scenario, HYDRA might be able to set themselves up as humanity's last line of defense now that the Avengers and SHIELD failed, and in that, they still win.
Asgardians are immune to radiation (so immune to nuke strike, I suppose?) So HYDRA would still have to deal with *those guys* :)
Good analysis, AZ. That decision to fire a nuke at downtown Manhattan makes a lot more sense when you realize it's a win-win for HYDRA. It destroys the Chitauri and the Avengers, and it also would be the big push HYDRA needed across the finish line in their long game as revealed in Winter Soldier. Only issue I see with that decision is "what if it kills the Avengers, but doesn't kill the Chitauri?" Then Earth is screwed, and HYDRA loses. Of course, the flip side is that an Avengers victory wasn't anywhere near assured, so they have to assume that they will fail. Then again, in that nightmare scenario, HYDRA might be able to set themselves up as humanity's last line of defense now that the Avengers and SHIELD failed, and in that, they still win.Asgardians are immune to radiation (so immune to nuke strike, I suppose?) So HYDRA would still have to deal with *those guys* :)
Immune to radiation, perhaps, but radiation is the AFTERTMATH of a nuclear detonation. I'm pretty sure even Thor (this version, anyway) can't survive heats rivaling the surface of the sun, and massive explosive pressure. Or if he did, he'd be incapacitated.
Radiation maybe, but probably not the thermal and blast waves, nor having their retinas burned out. ;)
Right, but comics Thor is not the same as MCU Thor. EVERYBODY in the MCU is weaker than their comic counterparts.
For that matter, I'd extend that to the majority of comic book adaptations in general. Most prominently with Superman.
I wouldn't call Superman from Man of Steel weak.Right, but comics Thor is not the same as MCU Thor. EVERYBODY in the MCU is weaker than their comic counterparts.
For that matter, I'd extend that to the majority of comic book adaptations in general. Most prominently with Superman.
And yet he's not "Lifts LITERALLY infinite amounts of weight and flies the distance of several galaxies in mere minutes or even seconds" strong.
Nor is the comics version these days. Or for 30 years or so now.And yet he's not "Lifts LITERAL infinity and flies the distance of several galaxies in mere minutes or even seconds" strong.I wouldn't call Superman from Man of Steel weak.Right, but comics Thor is not the same as MCU Thor. EVERYBODY in the MCU is weaker than their comic counterparts.
For that matter, I'd extend that to the majority of comic book adaptations in general. Most prominently with Superman.
The ones I saw where he did these things looked recent base don the art, and some were cited as being post-New 52 (the "Hears Jimmy's signal watch from space while basking in the light of a neutron star and arriving in minutes" one, I believe).
And I believe it's the newest version of Supes that can flex really hard and produce a solar powered stronger-than-nuclear explosion that wipes out anything in range?
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And I believe it's the newest version of Supes that can flex really hard and produce a solar powered stronger-than-nuclear explosion that wipes out anything in range?
Yeah, it was post-nu-52 that they showed Supes holding up a weight equal to the weight of the earth for three days, and commenting that it was the first time he'd ever broken a sweat. He's back up to Silver Age 'let's kick the moon back into orbit' level, after being seriously downgraded after Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Even comic book Thor's toughness varies from 'has to spin hammer to deflect bullets / flesh and bone is three times as dense as human tissue' (which was the case for decades) to the more recent 'can fly through the sun' nonsense.
And movie Thor is totally unknown. Obviously he can take a punch from the Hulk, but he dodged the airplane wing Hulk tossed at him and there was the impression that it would have taken his head clean off. (I sure wouldn't waste time dodging attacks that couldn't hurt me...)
And in the first appearance in Avengers, Loki is apparently bulletproof, which comic book Loki never has been. Who knows.
The problem with comic book physics is that it depends on plot NOT on actual physics.
A super might struggle to lift a mountain one time then toss a planet with ease next time. It must truly aggravate the type of nerd who loves world building and knowing everything about the DCU or Marvel Universe.
Loki wasn't bulletproof - he was armored. No one aimed for the head. ;)
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The problem with comic book physics is that it depends on plot NOT on actual physics.
A super might struggle to lift a mountain one time then toss a planet with ease next time. It must truly aggravate the type of nerd who loves world building and knowing everything about the DCU or Marvel Universe.
Heh... yeah A-bomb, good thing we're not like THAT right? *grabs security blanket and begins rocking in the fetal position*
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Are we talking and African Nuke, or a European Nuke?
I can only like this once! :(
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Would a nuke kill MCU Hulk? I'm inclined to say no on that one. And then there's the radiation aftermath to make him even stronger.
