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Would a nuke kill MCU Hulk? I'm inclined to say no on that one. And then there's the radiation aftermath to make him even stronger.
Wait, doesn't MCU Hulk have a different backstory from "too close to a nuclear bomb?" Genetic testing or something? Or is that the Abomination?

Damon Griffin |

Are we talking and African Nuke, or a European Nuke?
African nukes are non-migratory.

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Goldmyr wrote:Would a nuke kill MCU Hulk? I'm inclined to say no on that one. And then there's the radiation aftermath to make him even stronger.Wait, doesn't MCU Hulk have a different backstory from "too close to a nuclear bomb?" Genetic testing or something? Or is that the Abomination?
No it was research into gamma rays. They thought they could unlock the potential of the super soldier serum that ran through Cap's veins. Not exactly stellar success.

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Actually nuking New York is still a win-win for HYDRA. If it succeeds it removes the Chitauri and the Avengers and SHIELD gets blamed for it.
If it fails to remove either one, SHIELD still gets blamed for it.
...and Hulk crawls out of the wreckage, and SHIELD points their finger at him, and Gen. Ross and Talbot are off their back for a month hunting Hulk. Why would any org in the MCU want Hulk dead? he's the political equivalent of the cancer cure.

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Misroi wrote:No it was research into gamma rays. They thought they could unlock the potential of the super soldier serum that ran through Cap's veins. Not exactly stellar success.Goldmyr wrote:Would a nuke kill MCU Hulk? I'm inclined to say no on that one. And then there's the radiation aftermath to make him even stronger.Wait, doesn't MCU Hulk have a different backstory from "too close to a nuclear bomb?" Genetic testing or something? Or is that the Abomination?
Can't wait to see more on that Leader-looking guy who tried to help MCU/Norton Hulk out... same one who created the Blonsky/Abomination.

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Firstly MCU Thor isn't as strong as Comic Thor. How do I know? Comic book Thor might not be bullet proof but he damn sure can take down most cosmic level threats.
Case in point? Killing a Celestial. This actually happened.
In my mind, MCU Thor could survive the blast and maybe the radiation, but not without significant damage that might kill him. Nothing in the MCU universe has been truly epic in scale that compares to say, Red Hulk punching the Watcher in the face, or Silver Surfer getting his butt kicked by Thanos.
But to the point about Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., there's not been a definitive limit on how powerful Daisy could be. Right now if she wanted to, I'm pretty sure she could separate atoms at an atomic level. Considering how much power that takes to do in real life....that's pretty scary.

Goldmyr |
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Misroi wrote:No it was research into gamma rays. They thought they could unlock the potential of the super soldier serum that ran through Cap's veins. Not exactly stellar success.Goldmyr wrote:Would a nuke kill MCU Hulk? I'm inclined to say no on that one. And then there's the radiation aftermath to make him even stronger.Wait, doesn't MCU Hulk have a different backstory from "too close to a nuclear bomb?" Genetic testing or something? Or is that the Abomination?
That's the same kind of radiation that comic Hulk was created with (via Gamma Bomb).
I'm not saying that Hulk will start holding the world together with his bare hands, just that trying to kill him with a nuclear weapon is like trying to nuke Godzilla.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:Thor and Hulk crawl out of the nuked city. Unless nuke exploded from within Hulk's chest, in which case he'll need to regen first (I've been told he can do that too). Established. Let's move on! :)Correction, Thor and Hulk crawl out of the nuked city pissed as hell.
They really liked that schwarma place.

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And in the first appearance in Avengers, Loki is apparently bulletproof, which comic book Loki never has been. Who knows.
Marvel cinematic universe has never been clear on how much of Thor's power is because he's Asgardian (so Loki and the Asgardian professor that has guest-starred on Agents of Shield a couple times would share) and how much are because he's Thor/wielder of Mjolnir.

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Marvel cinematic universe has never been clear on how much of Thor's power is because he's Asgardian (so Loki and the Asgardian professor that has guest-starred on Agents of Shield a couple times would share) and how much are because he's Thor/wielder of Mjolnir.
True.
Or even how (or if) Loki's abilities would compare to Thor's or an actual Asgardians, since Loki is a Frost Giant who has been made to look like an Asgardian (perhaps by Frigga's illusions, back in the day?) and raised as an Asgardian.
Cinematic Thor at least does seem to be a full-blooded Asgardian, and not half-Asgardian, like the comic book Thor.

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Ross Byers wrote:Marvel cinematic universe has never been clear on how much of Thor's power is because he's Asgardian (so Loki and the Asgardian professor that has guest-starred on Agents of Shield a couple times would share) and how much are because he's Thor/wielder of Mjolnir.True.
Or even how (or if) Loki's abilities would compare to Thor's or an actual Asgardians, since Loki is a Frost Giant who has been made to look like an Asgardian (perhaps by Frigga's illusions, back in the day?) and raised as an Asgardian.
Cinematic Thor at least does seem to be a full-blooded Asgardian, and not half-Asgardian, like the comic book Thor.
That's half-Asgardian, half-primeval Earth Goddess, IIRC and it hasn't been retconned.
And though that hasn't even been hinted at in the MCU, it wasn't known even to Thor in the comics universe at first either. It could certainly still be true.

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Actually nuking New York is still a win-win for HYDRA. If it succeeds it removes the Chitauri and the Avengers and SHIELD gets blamed for it.
If it fails to remove either one, SHIELD still gets blamed for it.
The only problem is that at this point Shield and Hydra are almost the same thing. Why discredit and dismantle and organization that you already control most of?
I actually don't think there is any sort of sinister ulterior motive for nuking New York in the Avengers, and the rest of the World Council didn't seem to have that huge an issue with it. It was simply a (very) ruthless way of stopping the Chitauri invasion and hopefully closing the portal.

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Ha! I knew I recognized that guy from somewhere! That' awesome, I hope he really gambits and outmanouvers Ward, I like that actor so much and he really feels like a Hydra leader. I had this crazy idea that maybe, MAYBE he is MCU:s version of Alexander Lukin, as in
That would be so cool.

Spiral_Ninja |

My thought on Ward's big plan?
Sigh...if this turns out that Ward has

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My thoughts...
Coulson/Rosalind - You go, Son of Coul! Get some! Although, from the next week preview, it looks like he was just playing her. Awesome!
I really want to see Mac unleashed. I'm thinking he could kick the living s*~* out of a surprising number of people.
Ward and Gideon - that is a relationship filled with the potential to create all kinds of havoc. Although, I love Spiral_Ninja's thought that Ward has potentially been playing the long game for Fury, all in an effort to work his way up to the last remaining BBEG of Hydra.
Fitz, dude! Keep playing it smooth, brother. All our hopes and dreams rest with you. Or, something like that.

Goldmyr |

Great episode, can't wait for next weeks.
Is it me or did that cellphone picture of Will looked different then the person we saw?
Possibly. It could have just been the lighting though.
I seriously doubt that
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There's a thought that perhaps that the organization might be...
** spoiler omitted **
Except that...
It's possible, but thin.

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Of course....
So maybe this English group was the original SHIELD?

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Very interesting episode....
It'll be interesting to see who this mysterious Inhuman founder of Hydra was, and more importantly, who the group was that managed to exile him. My theory - either Randac, the inhuman geneticist who discovered the terrigen mists and gained mental powers from exposure to them, or The Unspoken - one of their former rulers who was banished. Per Wikipedia, The Unspoken had the power of "Terrigenesis," the ability to alter his body into any form he wished. Both would make sense, especially with what we saw of this Inhuman during the Simmons exile episode.
And so we have confirmation that Gideon was one of the leaders of Hydra, and not just an ally. I'm hoping they keep him around. It's nice for Ward to have an older, possibly smarter foil to challenge him for leadership.
I'm almost glad Rosalind seems to be one of the good guys. She's starting to grow on me.
GO FITZ!!! That was nice. It was a good scene.
I like Lincoln, and think he'll make a damn fine addition to the team. A powerful addition, as well.

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On one hand...I am pretty happy AoS managed to, in what episode, tie three separate plotlines into one: Ward, the alien planet, and the ATC inhuman conspiracy.
On the other hand I was getting psyched that the ancient cult might prove to be a new adversary, which made me a bit bummed that "Oh it's just Hydra".
Kind of feel pretty bad for Coulson. If there was something genuine between him and Ros, it's going to be pretty hard to rebuild post this episode.

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Spoiler:On one hand...I am pretty happy AoS managed to, in what episode, tie three separate plotlines into one: Ward, the alien planet, and the ATC inhuman conspiracy.On the other hand I was getting psyched that the ancient cult might prove to be a new adversary, which made me a bit bummed that "Oh it's just Hydra".
Kind of feel pretty bad for Coulson. If there was something genuine between him and Ros, it's going to be pretty hard to rebuild post this episode.
True, but ...

Thomas Seitz |

While my Marvel Fu isn't strong, to my knowledge Hydra hasn't been as old as say, SHIELD in some instances. But that being said, there's certainly nothing to preclude MCU Hydra from being older than comic book Hydra.
I think either Randac or The Unspoken is a good choice. Another, which I don't know if it would actually work, is maybe this is MCU Thane, the Inhuman son of Thanos.
What I liked best about this episode is that we do finally see a resurgent Hydra.
I know AIM is pretty cool, but I think other people want to play with that IE in the movies. Maybe Captain Marvel?
Regardless, I think each time this show might stumble (still not happy with the whole Andrew as Lash), they manage to pick it up a notch in this episode (ESPECIALLY with the fight Bobbi had AND Hunter's attempt to be Hacker supreme while being coached by Daisy.)