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Goldmyr wrote:
Would a nuke kill MCU Hulk? I'm inclined to say no on that one. And then there's the radiation aftermath to make him even stronger.

Wait, doesn't MCU Hulk have a different backstory from "too close to a nuclear bomb?" Genetic testing or something? Or is that the Abomination?


Aberzombie wrote:
Are we talking and African Nuke, or a European Nuke?

African nukes are non-migratory.

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South Africa is the only African nation known to have had the bomb, and they dimantled their arsenal. Israel is thought to have the bomb, but their targets of interest are almost certainly their near neighbbors, so: non-migratory.

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Misroi wrote:
Goldmyr wrote:
Would a nuke kill MCU Hulk? I'm inclined to say no on that one. And then there's the radiation aftermath to make him even stronger.
Wait, doesn't MCU Hulk have a different backstory from "too close to a nuclear bomb?" Genetic testing or something? Or is that the Abomination?

No it was research into gamma rays. They thought they could unlock the potential of the super soldier serum that ran through Cap's veins. Not exactly stellar success.

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Marik Whiterose wrote:

Actually nuking New York is still a win-win for HYDRA. If it succeeds it removes the Chitauri and the Avengers and SHIELD gets blamed for it.

If it fails to remove either one, SHIELD still gets blamed for it.

...and Hulk crawls out of the wreckage, and SHIELD points their finger at him, and Gen. Ross and Talbot are off their back for a month hunting Hulk. Why would any org in the MCU want Hulk dead? he's the political equivalent of the cancer cure.

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Hama wrote:
Misroi wrote:
Goldmyr wrote:
Would a nuke kill MCU Hulk? I'm inclined to say no on that one. And then there's the radiation aftermath to make him even stronger.
Wait, doesn't MCU Hulk have a different backstory from "too close to a nuclear bomb?" Genetic testing or something? Or is that the Abomination?
No it was research into gamma rays. They thought they could unlock the potential of the super soldier serum that ran through Cap's veins. Not exactly stellar success.

Can't wait to see more on that Leader-looking guy who tried to help MCU/Norton Hulk out... same one who created the Blonsky/Abomination.

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Samuel Sterns. He is leader.


Firstly MCU Thor isn't as strong as Comic Thor. How do I know? Comic book Thor might not be bullet proof but he damn sure can take down most cosmic level threats.

Case in point? Killing a Celestial. This actually happened.

In my mind, MCU Thor could survive the blast and maybe the radiation, but not without significant damage that might kill him. Nothing in the MCU universe has been truly epic in scale that compares to say, Red Hulk punching the Watcher in the face, or Silver Surfer getting his butt kicked by Thanos.

But to the point about Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., there's not been a definitive limit on how powerful Daisy could be. Right now if she wanted to, I'm pretty sure she could separate atoms at an atomic level. Considering how much power that takes to do in real life....that's pretty scary.


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Lord Fyre wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Are we talking and African Nuke, or a European Nuke?
I can only like this once! :(

You could like this post...which has a copy of it.

And I learned this trick from that fiendish Cosmo...but you can favor your own posts...


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Hama wrote:
Misroi wrote:
Goldmyr wrote:
Would a nuke kill MCU Hulk? I'm inclined to say no on that one. And then there's the radiation aftermath to make him even stronger.
Wait, doesn't MCU Hulk have a different backstory from "too close to a nuclear bomb?" Genetic testing or something? Or is that the Abomination?
No it was research into gamma rays. They thought they could unlock the potential of the super soldier serum that ran through Cap's veins. Not exactly stellar success.

That's the same kind of radiation that comic Hulk was created with (via Gamma Bomb).

I'm not saying that Hulk will start holding the world together with his bare hands, just that trying to kill him with a nuclear weapon is like trying to nuke Godzilla.

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Thor and Hulk crawl out of the nuked city. Unless nuke exploded from within Hulk's chest, in which case he'll need to regen first (I've been told he can do that too). Established. Let's move on! :)

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Thor and Hulk crawl out of the nuked city. Unless nuke exploded from within Hulk's chest, in which case he'll need to regen first (I've been told he can do that too). Established. Let's move on! :)

Correction, Thor and Hulk crawl out of the nuked city pissed as hell.


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Hama wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Thor and Hulk crawl out of the nuked city. Unless nuke exploded from within Hulk's chest, in which case he'll need to regen first (I've been told he can do that too). Established. Let's move on! :)
Correction, Thor and Hulk crawl out of the nuked city pissed as hell.

They really liked that schwarma place.

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Set wrote:

And in the first appearance in Avengers, Loki is apparently bulletproof, which comic book Loki never has been. Who knows.

Marvel cinematic universe has never been clear on how much of Thor's power is because he's Asgardian (so Loki and the Asgardian professor that has guest-starred on Agents of Shield a couple times would share) and how much are because he's Thor/wielder of Mjolnir.

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Ross Byers wrote:
Marvel cinematic universe has never been clear on how much of Thor's power is because he's Asgardian (so Loki and the Asgardian professor that has guest-starred on Agents of Shield a couple times would share) and how much are because he's Thor/wielder of Mjolnir.

True.

Or even how (or if) Loki's abilities would compare to Thor's or an actual Asgardians, since Loki is a Frost Giant who has been made to look like an Asgardian (perhaps by Frigga's illusions, back in the day?) and raised as an Asgardian.

Cinematic Thor at least does seem to be a full-blooded Asgardian, and not half-Asgardian, like the comic book Thor.


Set wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:
Marvel cinematic universe has never been clear on how much of Thor's power is because he's Asgardian (so Loki and the Asgardian professor that has guest-starred on Agents of Shield a couple times would share) and how much are because he's Thor/wielder of Mjolnir.

True.

Or even how (or if) Loki's abilities would compare to Thor's or an actual Asgardians, since Loki is a Frost Giant who has been made to look like an Asgardian (perhaps by Frigga's illusions, back in the day?) and raised as an Asgardian.

Cinematic Thor at least does seem to be a full-blooded Asgardian, and not half-Asgardian, like the comic book Thor.

That's half-Asgardian, half-primeval Earth Goddess, IIRC and it hasn't been retconned.

And though that hasn't even been hinted at in the MCU, it wasn't known even to Thor in the comics universe at first either. It could certainly still be true.


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Marik Whiterose wrote:

Actually nuking New York is still a win-win for HYDRA. If it succeeds it removes the Chitauri and the Avengers and SHIELD gets blamed for it.

If it fails to remove either one, SHIELD still gets blamed for it.

The only problem is that at this point Shield and Hydra are almost the same thing. Why discredit and dismantle and organization that you already control most of?

I actually don't think there is any sort of sinister ulterior motive for nuking New York in the Avengers, and the rest of the World Council didn't seem to have that huge an issue with it. It was simply a (very) ruthless way of stopping the Chitauri invasion and hopefully closing the portal.

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Ha! I knew I recognized that guy from somewhere! That' awesome, I hope he really gambits and outmanouvers Ward, I like that actor so much and he really feels like a Hydra leader. I had this crazy idea that maybe, MAYBE he is MCU:s version of Alexander Lukin, as in

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Red Skull is in his mind.

That would be so cool.


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Powers Boothe. His name is Powers Boothe. G%~ d~&ned whippersnapper!


" Well ... bye. " ;)


Well ...... Crap

I did not see that coming

I was halfway to shipping those two as well

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Greylurker wrote:

Well ...... Crap

I did not see that coming

I was halfway to shipping those two as well

Weeeel, there is a chance, as usual with this show, that we don't know everything.


My thought on Ward's big plan?

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Do you really not know or have you just forgotten that Fury is alive?

Sigh...if this turns out that Ward has

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actually been working for Fury in waaay deep undercover all this time....you will hear my shriek of rage/frustration all the way to the Andromeda galaxy!

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Spiral_Ninja wrote:

My thought on Ward's big plan?

** spoiler omitted **

Sigh...if this turns out that Ward has ** spoiler omitted **

Oh, holy s@&+ balls! That would be severely whacked.


Aberzombie wrote:
Spiral_Ninja wrote:

My thought on Ward's big plan?

** spoiler omitted **

Sigh...if this turns out that Ward has ** spoiler omitted **

Oh, holy s+@@ balls! That would be severely whacked.

And pretty danged awesome too, if they do it right.

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My thoughts...

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Poor Andrew. You were well and truly f@&$ed. Still, locking Lash away with a bunch of other inhumans might be a bad thing.

Coulson/Rosalind - You go, Son of Coul! Get some! Although, from the next week preview, it looks like he was just playing her. Awesome!

I really want to see Mac unleashed. I'm thinking he could kick the living s*~* out of a surprising number of people.

Ward and Gideon - that is a relationship filled with the potential to create all kinds of havoc. Although, I love Spiral_Ninja's thought that Ward has potentially been playing the long game for Fury, all in an effort to work his way up to the last remaining BBEG of Hydra.

Fitz, dude! Keep playing it smooth, brother. All our hopes and dreams rest with you. Or, something like that.

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And again, Fitz is the highlight of the episode. The actor gives it his all. His performance is superb.


Great episode, can't wait for next weeks.

Is it me or did that cellphone picture of Will looked different then the person we saw?


Dragon78 wrote:

Great episode, can't wait for next weeks.

Is it me or did that cellphone picture of Will looked different then the person we saw?

Possibly. It could have just been the lighting though.

I seriously doubt that

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Ward is really just in super deep undercover for Nick Fury.

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Rosalind might be though

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I liked that scene where Daisy got creative with her powers.


Just reached the episode.

Does anyone have a clue as to what "ancient order" Fitz might be talking in regards to the people that sent Will through the portal?


The ancient order/cult/whatever that shoved the random guy through in the 1800's or whatever, or the owners of the base they found in the episode they get Simmons back.


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I thought Fitz was saying they could be the same group.


Goldmyr wrote:
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That was my thought, too.


There's a thought that perhaps that the organization might be...

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Leviathan, which for those of you that don't read Marvel Comics is another super secret group that the Russians had.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

There's a thought that perhaps that the organization might be...

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Except that...

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Leviathan was the Communist Bloc version of Hydra, whereas the group who was sending people through the portal back in the 1800s was a bunch of English dudes.

It's possible, but thin.


Maybe it's AIM?


Unlikely unless they recon Iron Man 3.


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Leviathan is unlikely if only because they were prominent last season in Agent Carter, which didn't portray any sort of "secret ancient order" vibe.

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Of course....

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I do recall hearing about recent (in the last few years) SHIELD stories where the organization is much older than was previously thought, like going back to the time of DaVinci older. I may not be remembering with 100% accuracy, since I didn't collect those comics.

So maybe this English group was the original SHIELD?

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Aberzombie wrote:

Of course....

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
would be a big change for MCU canon to call themselves Shield. I thought Peggy and Howard founded Shield in canon.
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Matthew Morris wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:

Of course....

** spoiler omitted **

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That's how I recall the MCU so far. The only way it would work is if the older group was "an inspiration" for the one we all know and love.

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Huzzah for idle speculation!


Well I guess we were all wrong. It was still Hydra. Just not version 2.0. More like 0.005 or something.

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Very interesting episode....

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I recall they've done some comic storylines where Hydra was thousands of years old, but never collected any of those stories and don't know the details.

It'll be interesting to see who this mysterious Inhuman founder of Hydra was, and more importantly, who the group was that managed to exile him. My theory - either Randac, the inhuman geneticist who discovered the terrigen mists and gained mental powers from exposure to them, or The Unspoken - one of their former rulers who was banished. Per Wikipedia, The Unspoken had the power of "Terrigenesis," the ability to alter his body into any form he wished. Both would make sense, especially with what we saw of this Inhuman during the Simmons exile episode.

And so we have confirmation that Gideon was one of the leaders of Hydra, and not just an ally. I'm hoping they keep him around. It's nice for Ward to have an older, possibly smarter foil to challenge him for leadership.

I'm almost glad Rosalind seems to be one of the good guys. She's starting to grow on me.

GO FITZ!!! That was nice. It was a good scene.

I like Lincoln, and think he'll make a damn fine addition to the team. A powerful addition, as well.


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Really like what they did with Ros.
Love how they keep giving Fitz the least screen time of any of the main cast and he steals the episode.
Not sure I like how everything is Hydra. They need a new villain.

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AIM should enter the picture with MODOK


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On one hand...I am pretty happy AoS managed to, in what episode, tie three separate plotlines into one: Ward, the alien planet, and the ATC inhuman conspiracy.

On the other hand I was getting psyched that the ancient cult might prove to be a new adversary, which made me a bit bummed that "Oh it's just Hydra".

Kind of feel pretty bad for Coulson. If there was something genuine between him and Ros, it's going to be pretty hard to rebuild post this episode.

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MMCJawa wrote:

Spoiler:
On one hand...I am pretty happy AoS managed to, in what episode, tie three separate plotlines into one: Ward, the alien planet, and the ATC inhuman conspiracy.

On the other hand I was getting psyched that the ancient cult might prove to be a new adversary, which made me a bit bummed that "Oh it's just Hydra".

Kind of feel pretty bad for Coulson. If there was something genuine between him and Ros, it's going to be pretty hard to rebuild post this episode.

True, but ...

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... because he showed her that she was being played, I don't think that it is impossible for them to rekindle the relationship.

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What a great episode. Not only all the big reveals, but I really like the spy/infiltration episodes, which is one of the things that sets Agents of Shield apart from all of the other superhero shows on TV.


While my Marvel Fu isn't strong, to my knowledge Hydra hasn't been as old as say, SHIELD in some instances. But that being said, there's certainly nothing to preclude MCU Hydra from being older than comic book Hydra.

I think either Randac or The Unspoken is a good choice. Another, which I don't know if it would actually work, is maybe this is MCU Thane, the Inhuman son of Thanos.

What I liked best about this episode is that we do finally see a resurgent Hydra.

I know AIM is pretty cool, but I think other people want to play with that IE in the movies. Maybe Captain Marvel?

Regardless, I think each time this show might stumble (still not happy with the whole Andrew as Lash), they manage to pick it up a notch in this episode (ESPECIALLY with the fight Bobbi had AND Hunter's attempt to be Hacker supreme while being coached by Daisy.)


Can't believe it took me 2 days to realize this but

How does he know about Simmons?

It's not like Shield has a Blog page saying "one of our top scientists got sucked into a portal to a hell world, but it's ok we got her back"

Looks like Coulson's shiny new SHIELD still has some rats in it.

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