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** spoiler omitted **That's what I'm wondering. It wasn't very clear to me.
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My assumption on Theta Protocol:
Theta guess without having seen the movie:
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If I ever fail my Will save and start writing MCU fanfiction/smut, I'm going to ship Whedon and his Ego.:DAgents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ISN'T Part of the MCU -- Joss Whedon
amby...are you hitting on me?
Cuz I'm totally ready for sladlings.
Little Whedon-hating sladlings!
{snaps to attention} Lord Freehold. I have just spoken with the director of The Project from the orbital construction yards. We are now ahead of schedule, thanks to your in-person visit and "motivational inspiration." The chief engineer assures me that the Project's primary beam weapon is already outperforming projected performance; it will easily shatter any shields and crush all targets, even the vaunted Whedon... for no known defense in the universe can withstand the supermassive gravitational singularity powering it: Bono's Ego. {ominous orchestral beat}
The last remnants of the Old Whedpublic will soon be swept away forever. Dr. Horrible's is too obscure to make an effective demonstration -- but don't worry; we will deal with the rebel fanboys soon enough. Once it is time to demonstrate the full power of this station, we will set our course for The Firefly 'Verse.
If that is all, please excuse me. I have my mandatory Moff cheekbone sharpening appointment, and then hopefully a nice lunch in the canteen. I hear today's special is penne arrabiata.
Is anyone else wondering were there taking Simmon's character?
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Is anyone else wondering were there taking Simmon's character?
I keep hoping SHE turns out to be an enhanced. ;P
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Is anyone else wondering were there taking Simmon's character?
After this episode I think I have a good idea of what's going on in her head. After so many betrayals and friends getting killed or crippled she has developed an "Us vs. Them" which is rabidly evolving into "anyone who isn't us, is them by default"
In short she is absolutely terrified of everything right now. At anytime "they" could come to hurt or kill her friends
Even her attitude towards Skye fits into that. In her mind Skye's transformation is the same as Fitz's brain damage. The idea that Skye might end up actually liking her powers probably isn't even in the realm of possibility to her. Skye is a victim in her mind, assaulted by "them", changed by "them".
So yeah I think it all comes down to fear, but instead of curling into a little ball in a corner she has decided on "get them before they get us" stance. She wants to exterminate the source of that fear and that mean eliminating "them", all of "them"
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Theta protocl is probably
Wonder why he had to keep it secret from May, though.
If I ever fail my Will save and start writing MCU fanfiction/smut, I'm going to ship Whedon and his Ego.:DAgents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ISN'T Part of the MCU -- Joss Whedon
amby...are you hitting on me?
Cuz I'm totally ready for sladlings.
Little Whedon-hating sladlings!
{snaps to attention} Lord Freehold. I have just spoken with the director of The Project from the orbital construction yards. We are now ahead of schedule, thanks to your in-person visit and "motivational inspiration." The chief engineer assures me that the Project's primary beam weapon is already outperforming projected performance; it will easily shatter any shields and crush all targets, even the vaunted Whedon... for no known defense in the universe can withstand the supermassive gravitational singularity powering it: Bono's Ego. {ominous orchestral beat}
The last remnants of the Old Whedpublic will soon be swept away forever. Dr. Horrible's is too obscure to make an effective demonstration -- but don't worry; we will deal with the rebel fanboys soon enough. Once it is time to demonstrate the full power of this station, we will set our course for The Firefly 'Verse.
If that is all, please excuse me. I have my mandatory Moff cheekbone sharpening appointment, and then hopefully a nice lunch in the canteen. I hear today's special is penne arrabiata.
Excellent. I will see to the production of the Haterade that will power this beam personally.
There will be noone to stop us, this time.
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Now that I think about it....
Theta protocl is probably
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It's used as a symbol representing the mutation rate in a population.
This is likely the intended meaning.
For contract reasons, they cannot say "mutation" so they needed another way to describe the "enchanced."
So "Theta Protocol" is a plan to deal with the rapidly increasing numbers of the gifted.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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Now that I think about it....
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Hmm, that's worth pondering
Which would lead to Gonzales being right about him.
Now that I think about it....
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Hmm, that's worth pondering
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I do not agree.
And the "Theta Protocol" may well originate after The Winter Soldier, coming from Coulson's mind rather then Fury's.
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Technically he's right. The characters for the most part, are Television creations. And I don't even think Coulson existed before the various Marvel movies.Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ISN'T Part of the MCU -- Joss Whedon
True. Phil Coulson did not exist before the first Iron Man movie.
Or it could just be an awesome sounding name. I mean, this *is* the same universe in which a race of super advanced alien beings all pretend to be vikings, so...
Actually the Vikings pretend to be them.
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Or it could just be an awesome sounding name. I mean, this *is* the same universe in which a race of super advanced alien beings all pretend to be vikings, so...Actually the Vikings pretend to be them.
Oh, I know the in-universe rationale there. Still doesn't make any sense that a hyper advanced society would choose willingly to live that way, with the absurd customs, pompous speech and medival-europe style weapons and armor. It's a suspension of disbelief type thing, like most in this genre.
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Oh, I know the in-universe rationale there. Still doesn't make any sense that a hyper advanced society would choose willingly to live that way, with the absurd customs, pompous speech and medival-europe style weapons and armor. It's a suspension of disbelief type thing, like most in this genre.
If the average member of my alien race could lift 20-40 *tons* and were mostly bulletproof, but had no real advantage in accurate use of blasters or laser weapons, I'd probably train and equip them with weapons that capitalized on that incredible strength, too (and armor that would protect them from dudes who thought to bring a useless mortal gun to a super-strength swordfight).
I mean, yeah, it is what it is, but it's not *ridiculous* that they'd play to their (overwhelming) strengths, and not stand around annoying each other with less effective, but more 'advanced,' weaponry.
(Plus they seemed to use plenty of high energy weapons in defense of Asgard, and trained with what looked like energy spears, in The Dark World. It seems that Thor isn't the only Asgardian whose weapon does something other than hit things really hard, and has some built in ranged utility.)
Weird Renn-faire speech, with the thees and thous? There's no excuse for that. Maybe, like Klingons, Asgardians have a Shakespeare fetish?
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Now that I think about it....
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Hmm, that's worth pondering
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Not necessarily...
I just hope they reveal the full truth of Theta Protocol within this season. I'd hate to have to wait.
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Oh, I know the in-universe rationale there. Still doesn't make any sense that a hyper advanced society would choose willingly to live that way, with the absurd customs, pompous speech and medival-europe style weapons and armor. It's a suspension of disbelief type thing, like most in this genre.Or it could just be an awesome sounding name. I mean, this *is* the same universe in which a race of super advanced alien beings all pretend to be vikings, so...Actually the Vikings pretend to be them.
Ah so how many hyper advanced society have you seen in real life to base that on?
None of those things can not be find in a highly advanced society...just because we don't have absurd customs...or pompous speech...oh wait we do...does not mean a advance society won't...especially since it is a Alien society. I find your lack of imagination and calling things in this genre absurd because it does not ape real life to be just amazing in a gamer.
I am just curious how a highly advanced alien society would look created by you.
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Oh, I know the in-universe rationale there. Still doesn't make any sense that a hyper advanced society would choose willingly to live that way, with the absurd customs, pompous speech and medival-europe style weapons and armor. It's a suspension of disbelief type thing, like most in this genre.Or it could just be an awesome sounding name. I mean, this *is* the same universe in which a race of super advanced alien beings all pretend to be vikings, so...Actually the Vikings pretend to be them.Ah so how many hyper advanced society have you seen in real life to base that on?
None of those things can not be find in a highly advanced society...just because we don't have absurd customs...or pompous speech...oh wait we do...does not mean a advance society won't...especially since it is a Alien society. I find your lack of imagination and calling things in this genre absurd because it does not ape real life to be just amazing in a gamer.
I am just curious how a highly advanced alien society would look created by you.
There are plenty of science fiction stories that have what I would consider to be *much* more convincing advanced alien races. I wouldn't say that my not buying in to the concept of viking-gods is lack of imagination - rather, it is that I see too many contradictions in it. How does an Asgardian scholar look like? They must have many of them, for all their high tech stuff to work, yet we never see one, and I just can't imagine any being around the place. There are more things, of course - thousands of little details in which a viking society does not cope well with more advanced technological means.
It is not that the possibility of an advanced society dressing different and talking different is inherently impossible, it's that it needs to be done convincingly to work, and it never is in the MCU. The result is an over the top, "rule of cool" style story.
Which is fine. But it is not taking itself extremely seriously, and I take that in stride and suspend my disbelief along with it.
I mean, yeah, it is what it is, but it's not *ridiculous* that they'd play to their (overwhelming) strengths, and not stand around annoying each other with less effective, but more 'advanced,' weaponry.
In Thor: The Dark World we clearly see that there are guns very capable of killing Asgardians - and that technology is like a billiob years old relative to the present time of the MCU. In the movie, the dark elves have a clear superiority in fights because they have laser guns and the asgardians have spears and shields. Can't the Asgardians have found a way to use that technology in such a long time to create more efficient weapons than hammers and spears?
My interpretation is that Asgard is basically a post-singularity society. That they run around in Faux-medieval garb is basically because..why not? I doubt they have much better things to do than that.
As for Dark Elf superiority? are they really so superior? By the time Odin showed up with reinforcements, there was like...one dark elf soldier alive in the throne room. Even with the element of surprise, the Asgardians did a pretty good job holding there own.
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As for Dark Elf superiority? are they really so superior? By the time Odin showed up with reinforcements, there was like...one dark elf soldier alive in the throne room. Even with the element of surprise, the Asgardians did a pretty good job holding there own.
In their own capital city. With what must be the best of the best. Against a race that has been on freeze for who knows how long. That's like the mongol horde of Genghis Khan showing up to storm the white house, and the security team there being proud that they managed to go toe to toe with the mongols. With the time that passed, even if the mongols were virtually unbeatable back than, they shouldn't be anywhere near a threat now.
Except, of course, that the Asgardians *choose* to use primitive weaponry.
There are plenty of science fiction stories that have what I would consider to be *much* more convincing advanced alien races. I wouldn't say that my not buying in to the concept of viking-gods is lack of imagination - rather, it is that I see too many contradictions in it. How does an Asgardian scholar look like? They must have many of them, for all their high tech stuff to work, yet we never see one, and I just can't imagine any being around the place. There are more things, of course - thousands of little details in which a viking society does not cope well with more advanced technological means.
It is not that the possibility of an advanced society dressing different and talking different is inherently impossible, it's that it needs to be done convincingly to work, and it never is in the MCU. The result is an over the top, "rule of cool" style story.
Which is fine. But it is not taking itself extremely seriously, and I take that in stride and suspend my disbelief along with it.
Um...so you don't see a school so there is not one? Okay that is odd...there is a lot of movies out there don't show schools because they are not relevant to the plot but there are there, but lets think out side the box.
We have here a race that lives thousands of years...and obviously have a low birth rate (as Odin and his wife only had 1 child in their many years of marriage). So maybe they are not just a lot of children in Asgard to warrant schools...maybe they are just home schooled. And than the child is apprenticed to some one depending on their area of strength or desires.
I am pretty sure I can think of some reason why those 'thousands' of contradiction of your make sense with just a little creative thought.
There are plenty of science fiction stories that have what I would consider to be *much* more convincing advanced alien races. I wouldn't say that my not buying in to the concept of viking-gods is lack of imagination - rather, it is that I see too many contradictions in it. How does an Asgardian scholar look like? They must have many of them, for all their high tech stuff to work, yet we never see one, and I just can't imagine any being around the place. There are more things, of course - thousands of little details in which a viking society does not cope well with more advanced technological means.
It is not that the possibility of an advanced society dressing different and talking different is inherently impossible, it's that it needs to be done convincingly to work, and it never is in the MCU. The result is an over the top, "rule of cool" style story.
Which is fine. But it is not taking itself extremely seriously, and I take that in stride and suspend my disbelief along with it.
Um...so you don't see a school so there is not one? Okay that is odd...there is a lot of movies out there don't show schools because they are not relevant to the plot but there are there, but lets think out side the box.
We have here a race that lives thousands of years...and obviously have a low birth rate (as Odin and his wife only had 1 child in their many years of marriage). So maybe they are not just a lot of children in Asgard to warrant schools...maybe they are just home schooled. And than the child is apprenticed to some one depending on their area of strength or desires.
I am pretty sure I can think of some reason why those 'thousands' of contradiction of your make sense with just a little creative thought.
Not to mention in Thor 2 we do see some of their scientists and/or doctors
As for Dark Elf superiority? are they really so superior? By the time Odin showed up with reinforcements, there was like...one dark elf soldier alive in the throne room. Even with the element of surprise, the Asgardians did a pretty good job holding there own.In their own capital city. With what must be the best of the best. Against a race that has been on freeze for who knows how long. That's like the mongol horde of Genghis Khan showing up to storm the white house, and the security team there being proud that they managed to go toe to toe with the mongols. With the time that passed, even if the mongols were virtually unbeatable back than, they shouldn't be anywhere near a threat now.
Except, of course, that the Asgardians *choose* to use primitive weaponry.
The Asgardians have reached a point of technological prowess that they simply have no where else to go. They reached that point back when they fought the Dark Elves, and there is no reason to assume that level of tech has changed much. Presumably they did a good job of beating the the elves then, despite the the elf use of ranged weapons, etc.
The Asgardians are not mongols...they are a race so advanced that even thousands of years ago there science could not be distinguished from magic. And they might have never needed to advance or change from that technological level, or for that matter that might not even be possible for them.
Not to mention in Thor 2 we do see some of their scientists and/or doctors
But obviously to Lord Snow those are just more contradiction. As we did not spend a half hour watching those characters go to Asgard Science/Magic school and another half hour of watching them go through Asgard U it makes no sense. If we can't see it obviously it can't exist. ;)
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As for Dark Elf superiority? are they really so superior? By the time Odin showed up with reinforcements, there was like...one dark elf soldier alive in the throne room. Even with the element of surprise, the Asgardians did a pretty good job holding there own.In their own capital city. With what must be the best of the best. Against a race that has been on freeze for who knows how long. That's like the mongol horde of Genghis Khan showing up to storm the white house, and the security team there being proud that they managed to go toe to toe with the mongols. With the time that passed, even if the mongols were virtually unbeatable back than, they shouldn't be anywhere near a threat now.
Except, of course, that the Asgardians *choose* to use primitive weaponry.
The Asgardians have reached a point of technological prowess that they simply have no where else to go. They reached that point back when they fought the Dark Elves, and there is no reason to assume that level of tech has changed much. Presumably they did a good job of beating the the elves then, despite the the elf use of ranged weapons, etc.
The Asgardians are not mongols...they are a race so advanced that even thousands of years ago there science could not be distinguished from magic. And they might have never needed to advance or change from that technological level, or for that matter that might not even be possible for them.
End result is still a buncha elves crushing the palace and shooting down the palace guard. With guns. Big, strong, laser guns. That kill Asgardians. From range. Quite possibly a great range.
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Except that's not what happened. So your theory is obviously wrong.
This is also a world where the toughest man made object in the world is a shield created by semi accident during World War II. Where a guy with a bow and arrow and a woman with tasers on her knuckles and boots hang with a guy in power armor and a god. A world with a guy who flies with a pair of mechanical wings who is best friends with a guy who feel into the arctic and woke up 75 years later who has a drug running through his veins that made him super human and that made another guy into an ersatz Jeckle and Hyde. A world with a talking Raccoon and Duck. With a cyborg and a doctor who controls electricity get kidnapped by Nazi remnants intent on dissecting them in order to conquor the world
And your suspension of disbelief fails at Asgardians weilding swords or Cap shrugging of some laser blasts from a robot singing Disney show tunes? Really?
Actually, you are making my point without noticing it. Scroll a half page up and you'll see that the whole "Asgardians don't\do make sense" thing started from me using them as an example that one shouldn't attribute too much sophistication to the Marvel universe because it is clearly ruled by nonsense laws that lead to the awesomest possible result. Then people began attempting to justify Asgard as something that actually makes sense (it doesn't, and neither does almost everything else in the MCU, and that's fine, because disbelief can and should be suspended in the SFF genre in general and in superhero stuff in particular). Quote of me that started this discussion:
Or it could just be an awesome sounding name. I mean, this *is* the same universe in which a race of super advanced alien beings all pretend to be vikings, so...
Cap shrugging off a laser blast was more of a problem with internal consistency - in the MCU we were never told he should be immune to direct hits like that - than with suspension of disbelief. I happen to find the Asgardains to be *the* most absurd part of the MCU, yes, but that's a separate issue.
Except that's not what happened. So your theory is obviously wrong.
Don't know how we can argue the facts there. I saw dark elves using clearly superior ranged weapons against Asgardians who didn't have them. I can't seem to find a clip of the fight online, but I have a very strong recollection of seeing it in the theater and getting annoyed when the dark elves were easily gunning down the royal guard. Sure, a scene later you see all the dark elves dead so they were beaten somehow, but when you see the actual fighting you can't help but think, "If those Asgardians only had guns of their own, they could have fought from cover and won the same fight with considerably less casualties".
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Actually, you are making my point without noticing it. Scroll a half page up and you'll see that the whole "Asgardians don't\do make sense" thing started from me using them as an example that one shouldn't attribute too much sophistication to the Marvel universe because it is clearly ruled by nonsense laws that lead to the awesomest possible result.And that's why Marvel is in the comic book buisness, not the sci-fi sections of the bookstore.
Fully agreed. That's also why Asgard doesn't actually have to be a convincing hyper advanced alien race for me to accept them as part of the MCU.
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I just rewatched the throne room fight last weekend, as a warmup for Avengers, and the palace guard have shields that can deflect dark elf blaster fire (it produces a visible energy sheen on the face of the shield, it's kinda cool). The issue is that they haven't had to practice blocking in several millenia, not that they don't have tech that makes sense in the context of that arms race.
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Oh, I know the in-universe rationale there. Still doesn't make any sense that a hyper advanced society would choose willingly to live that way, with the absurd customsOr it could just be an awesome sounding name. I mean, this *is* the same universe in which a race of super advanced alien beings all pretend to be vikings, so...Actually the Vikings pretend to be them.
They're hyper long lived. Culture only changes when the people who learned the "right" way to act die.
pompous speech
They learned english from shakespere.
and medival-europe style weapons and armor.
No, medival europe has asgardian style weapons and armor :)
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But where did anyone in the MCU actually try to picture them as such?
I dunno, every time they're mentioned, just about. They are presented as a race so advanced that magic and technology are the same for them.
They're hyper long lived. Culture only changes when the people who learned the "right" way to act die.
Also works like that with scientific theories. So, according to your own logic, there's no reason for them to have advanced past the stone age.
No, medival europe has asgardian style weapons and armor :)
I'll say again that I am aware of the lore of Asgardians in the MCU. It's still medieval style weapons.
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Well read up on asgard on marvel wiki, and stop only referencing the movies.
Why? This is clearly a discussion of the MCU. If it wasn't on a screen it's not part of the lore yet. And the "Europeans thought Asgardians were gods so they tried to be like them" thing IS in the MCU, it was explained in the first Thor movie.
But where did anyone in the MCU actually try to picture them as such?I dunno, every time they're mentioned, just about. They are presented as a race so advanced that magic and technology are the same for them.
They're hyper long lived. Culture only changes when the people who learned the "right" way to act die.Also works like that with scientific theories. So, according to your own logic, there's no reason for them to have advanced past the stone age.
No, medival europe has asgardian style weapons and armor :)I'll say again that I am aware of the lore of Asgardians in the MCU. It's still medieval style weapons.
The hyper longevity (not to mention super strength, fast healing, and invulnerability) probably wasn't a feature of their original race, but something they engineered themselves into much later. Probably long long after they technologically passed current human development.
Also works like that with scientific theories. So, according to your own logic, there's no reason for them to have advanced past the stone age.
Thats actually a difference betwen science and culture, you can change a scientists mind with good evidence.
No, medival europe has asgardian style weapons and armor :)
I'll say again that I am aware of the lore of Asgardians in the MCU. It's still medieval style weapons.
Alright then...
European and asguardian weapons are designed the same way because they fulfill the same purpose: getting through armor. In the case of europeans its that insane full plate armor they covered people in, in the case of asgardians its the supernaturally tough skin of their opponents?