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MMCJawa wrote:


Well you might be in luck then...Rumor has it that after the 616 Universe ends and we get a "new" Marvel Universe, X-men/mutants in general are going to get there own "setting", and will no longer interact with the rest of the Marvel universe. I don't know if that really means "Mutants are no longer part of the main Marvel timeline/universe" or if it's just wanting to make sure their stories don't cross over into any other properties (which muddles the rights)

I know but thanks.

I hope it's a actual seperate universe. The type of world where humans are the norm and mutants very much the exception. I'm in no mood to see them stay in the 616 universe and have them hide in a corner and go "humans treat us differently and are racist. Yet we hide in dark corners doing nothing to change that" type of routine they had going up until ten years ago. In a world like the current Marvel universe where being different is the norm. Where a significant amount of people have powers. Both mutant and non-mutant. With no way for the average person to recognize non-mutants among mutants. The whole mutant racism angle just made no sense. racism should have been against both parties not just mutants. how are mutants both heroes and villians hiding off in a corner. not interacting with the world at large. Going to help mutants as a whole.


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Memorax wrote:

know but thanks.

I hope it's a actual seperate universe. The type of world where humans are the norm and mutants very much the exception. I'm in no mood to see them stay in the 616 universe and have them hide in a corner and go "humans treat us differently and are racist. Yet we hide in dark corners doing nothing to change that" type of routine they had going up until ten years ago. In a world like the current Marvel universe where being different is the norm. Where a significant amount of people have powers. Both mutant and non-mutant. With no way for the average person to recognize non-mutants among mutants. The whole mutant racism angle just made no sense. racism should have been against both parties not just mutants. how are mutants both heroes and villians hiding off in a corner. not interacting with the world at large. Going to help mutants as a whole.

This. So much.

Oh, mutants have problems and are discriminated against because they are 'different' and have powers?

But over here we have a kid who can jump across buildings and lift cars, shooting webs as he goes. Over THERE is a guy who turns into a big green unstoppable rage monster. Another dude can fly and shoot lightning thanks to his hammer, another has no powers aside from a huge bank account--oh, and he makes power armor for himself and legions of humanoid war-drones. THEN there's the people from outer space. THEN there are the sapient robots and androids, themselves with the ability to annihilate buildings on a whim, who were NEVER human but are accepted by everybody as being 'people' and treated as such.

All THESE people are OK.

But THOSE guys with powers, over there, somehow THEY are bad and we KNOW they are different from the other guys, despite not knowing from where or how they got their powers. Unless we look at them. And then some magic screening system in our brains segregates the ones born with powers from those who somehow achieved them by being the lab-rats of super scientists--all so we magically know who to discriminate against and hate.

Yeaaaaah... no.

X-Men always needed to be seperate from the rest of the Marvel universe. The whole "Mutant discrimination as a stand-in for racism" schtick breaks down otherwise, often hilariously so with what is accepted as commonplace in the non-X-Men settings.


unfortunately they aren't splitting the X-men off. Newsarama already checked on it.

"No, we're not segregating the X-Men into their own universe. The X-Men are an integral part of the Marvel Universe," says Alonso, referring to the comics universe. "They play a big role in Secret Wars, and those mutants that survive the event will be crucial building blocks for the Marvel Universe moving forward."

Personally I think it's a mistake. The Mutant hate just doesn't make sense in a world where people love super soldiers, alien gods and geniuses who can build universe changing inventions, but refuse to actually use them to make the world a better place.

Seriously I would hate the heck out of Reed Richards if I lived in the same world as him. Flying cars, Space Ships and limitless sources of energy and he keeps it all for himself.

Compaired to that a guy who was born with wings doesn't seem like something to get pissed over.

Liberty's Edge

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Looks like Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter both got renewed for another season.

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Greylurker wrote:
Personally I think it's a mistake. The Mutant hate just doesn't make sense in a world where people love super soldiers, alien gods and geniuses who can build universe changing inventions, but refuse to actually use them to make the world a better place.

Thor (and Hercules), particularly if they openly talked up being actual gods, would be the focus of massive protests from religious groups, who are currently stuck protesting irrelevant crap like displays of the commandments on public land or the 'War on Christmas' or whatever.

The sort of people who protest against Harry Potter or D&D or The Golden Compass for 'promoting the occult' or 'endangering souls' or crap, would quite possibly spontaneously burst into flames over their outrage over Doctor Strange, let alone 'Satanna' or the 'Son of Satan.'

Mutants would be a drop in the bucket, and quite possibly the focus of conspiracy minded anti-government folk who would tie them to all sorts of military testing on their fathers when they were in the service, or fluoridated water, or chemtrails, or vaccinations, or science / evolution / sex education in schools warping their tiny fragile minds, or *whatever.* They'd be as likely to have massive groups *supporting them* (claiming that they are victims of whatever the evil gubmint did to them) as demonizing them.

Even if there were massive groups protesting them, which makes no sense, really (where are all the massive groups protesting these autistic kids and demanding we lock them up or sterilize them or whatever?), there would *still* be equally large groups, or even larger groups, like in the real world, established at first by family members of mutants (some mutant kids mom, outraged at how some evil government agency / plot / conspiracy warped her precious child into a freak).

Inhumans, established at the get-go as being part alien (or somehow infected by alien DNA), and a separate culture / people living in hiding among 'normal humans' all along, are *way* better than 616 style mutants in establishing the sort of mutant-phobia that currently exists in the 616 universe.


Folks who think only mutants got discriminated against: Spider Man was enemy no 1 in the Daily Bugle for years; the Fantastic Four was unloved at first; Iron Man used to be either a "menace" or a "corporate thug" to the population at large just as often as they called him hero.

This whole giving non-mutants a free pass is a new thing. Marvel comics used to be rife with stories of their "heroes" being jeered at, reviled and getting other negative press. Mutants just showed up in comics at a time when racism and segregation were starting to become publicly discussed in America. Writers at the time wanted to use those characters to mount their own bully pulpits.

In the Marvel Super Heroes game there was a stat called Popularity. It was completely subjective and fluctuated often. Your character's origin (Mutant, Altered Human like Spider Man, Hi Tech Wonder like Iron Man) could have some effect on it as could having a public or secret ID, but otherwise it completely depended on your outward appearance and what actions you took.

Frankly I think comics should get back to this. I think AoS and the current set of movies scratch the surface but sometimes don't quite dig deep enough. Consider that Marvel comics and other media, in most of their universes, suggest a world of mostly normal humans and suddenly BAM! Someone can fly, read minds or shoot lasers from their eyes.

How scary would that world be? Literal gods suddenly appearing. Sure, when they're on TV you're like "wow that's cool!" but then you're taking your 3rd grader to school one morning and some 2ton green behemoth smashes through the bodega on the corner. There's nowhere you can run, or hide and the cops' bullets are just bouncing off of the thing. This creature has just made eye contact with you and your son and its face is contorted in unearthly rage.

And there's NOTHING you can do about it.

Heroes are cool. SUPER heroes are scary as heck. They are capable of true horror. I like the Captain America recognizes this having gone through WWII. This is why he had the most popularity in the game, at least as far as I was concerned. Not because he represented America or he was all goody two shoes; its because he had the unique perspective of a person who witnessed all the horror mankind can deliver, and he knows that "super powered" mankind can just deliver THAT MUCH MORE evil if unchecked.

Again... it's why I like Coulson. He's us. He's the normal guy that recognizes that human beings need to get ahead of this curve, and fast, because if just one of the Avengers, or their villains, gets really out of hand there's little, if anything that mere mortals can do about it. He's scared.

That's not a character flaw to be overcome. Phil gets scared, as rightly he should. I want more of that. More fear against the supers; more outrage over their actions; more newspaper editors condemning the actions of masked vigilantes while shaking their fists in the air in impotent rage. Because if it were me, and these things were real, that's everything I'd do.


Good post, Mark, but... some of those examples, not so much.

Mark Hoover wrote:
Spider Man was enemy no 1 in the Daily Bugle for years

Because of ONE GUY. Everyone else loved him. Only the random Kool-Aid drinker hated him from the news (totally realistic given the ABCNBCCNNFOX crowds today). Compare that to the mutants, and how often they get a break. Having Jonah Jameson market hatred of you to sell papers is one thing, having high-level elected government officials wanting to suppress you and your 'kind' is quite another.

Mark Hoover wrote:
the Fantastic Four was unloved at first

At first. They turned that around. Most of that hate was caused by the various bits of city they levelled before they got their powers and teamwork under control.

Mark Hoover wrote:
Iron Man used to be either a "menace" or a "corporate thug" to the population at large just as often as they called him hero.

The difference being that he didn't care. Tony's always been a jackass to people and gave little consideration as to what they say. The X-Men, however, always try to keep up a good public image so that they can get people on their side. As long as Stark had money, he could still do what he wanted.

These counter-examples erode the 'free pass is a new thing' bit. They didn't get a free pass, they earned their appreciation or their hatred. People didn't just immediately look at them and go "Bad, must discriminate against!" The mutants, not so much. If that anti-mutant speciesism is going to be accepted as a 'given' in a comic universe, then it makes no sense to have other Supers who don't face the same reactions and assumptions. Or, to flip the script, if you have them together, have everyone either assume Supers are or are not mutants until told (or discovered) otherwise and discriminate accordingly. Otherwise, it makes no sense to have them together in the same universe.

Mark Hoover wrote:
That's not a character flaw to be overcome. Phil gets scared, as rightly he should.

Phil Coulson is cautious and likes to be prepared. He's not 'afraid' or 'scared'. Fright is irrational in nature. He quite reasonably understands what is at stake, better than almost any other 'normal' human, and wants to do what he can to limit the damage--while still recognizing them as people and trying to act accordingly. He's definitely on the Good side of the alignment axis, but certainly not the cliched "Good is Dumb" trope.

Having said all that, I agree with pretty much everything else in your post that isn't these examples. Which is weird, since when I read them I thought that you would, for sure, have an opposite view.

Liberty's Edge

Mark Hoover wrote:
I want more of that. More fear against the supers; more outrage over their actions; more newspaper editors condemning the actions of masked vigilantes while shaking their fists in the air in impotent rage. Because if it were me, and these things were real, that's everything I'd do.

Then I guess you'll be on Tony's side next May.

Sovereign Court

I'm gonna be on Cap's side.

Shadow Lodge

phantom1592 wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Aranna wrote:
The list is pretty minor when you think about just how restrictive most governments are about weapons in the hands of civilians. A super that can throw fire is functionally no different than a normal person equipped with a flame thrower... NO government would let some civilian wander around with a flame thrower.

The difference is that you have the option to put down a flamethrower and walk away from it.

Inhumans can't "put down" being an inhuman.

Except when they can.

All your examples are from the 616-Marvel Universe, not the MCU.

Its also basically the equivalent of mandating skin bleaching for all non-white people.


Technically speaking since getting the powers is an INDUCED process, not a natural one, it's more like mandating "No, you cannot have an anti-tank rifle embedded into your arm".


Kthulhu wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Aranna wrote:
The list is pretty minor when you think about just how restrictive most governments are about weapons in the hands of civilians. A super that can throw fire is functionally no different than a normal person equipped with a flame thrower... NO government would let some civilian wander around with a flame thrower.

The difference is that you have the option to put down a flamethrower and walk away from it.

Inhumans can't "put down" being an inhuman.

Except when they can.

All your examples are from the 616-Marvel Universe, not the MCU.

Its also basically the equivalent of mandating skin bleaching for all non-white people.

There will be. FoX-men already did 'the cure' storyline. They aren't going to introduce ways to stop super-powered people until after they introduce Super-powered People.

Who do we even HAVE yet?? Captain America: created/worked for government. Hulk: Hunted by Army. Stark Tech: Taken by military Thor:Not a lot you can do there... but they designed 'anti-asgardian' weapons... Even Asgard itself had tech to strip/stop Lorelei's powers...

And really, the skin-bleaching comment is absurd. Unless 'non-bleached' skin caused cancer in other people or blew up buildings...

Liberty's Edge

I really hope their not going to rehash the anti-mutant racism in a world where everyone is different angle. Part of me thinks I'm overreacting. Yet after reading the Newsrama article I'm not so sure. If their going to at least brand mutants to make them stand out. Put the Human torch, Toro and Firestar in the same room. How does the general public know which is a mutant. If anything given how Firestar looks human when she uses her powers she should be more accepeted imo.

Really Spider-man as a example of a character suffering racism. Beyond JJJ he hardly suffered anything remotely close to what mutants have suffered imo.

Fantastic Four maybe at first. Yet somehow the giant talking 8-10 ft tall talking orange rock. The walking, flying fireball throwing flame covered guy are less inhuman than the average mutant. Sorry I'm not seeing it and again compare to what mutants have suffered.

Tony Stark maybe a little. He never cared and all he had to do is throw a few million to get people like that to go away. He never had to worry too much except any and all governments wanting to steal his tech.

Even Sentinels seems not to bother the average person in the Marvel Universe. Considering the outcry over the use of drones. Yet Giant anti-mutant killer robots and no one blinks a eye. That causally rip open homes to get mutants.

I have been reading comics off and on for about 20-25 years. I have yet to see anything that makes non-mutants as discrminated or hunted down like mutants

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memorax wrote:
Even Sentinels seems not to bother the average person in the Marvel Universe. Considering the outcry over the use of drones. Yet Giant anti-mutant killer robots and no one blinks a eye. That causally rip open homes to get mutants.

And yet, they've got this amazing reputation, and you have to look far and wide to find a named mutant who's even been *hurt* by one, let alone killed by one. (Unless you are counting the Days of Future Past alternate future, in which they totally killed everyone! But in 616? When they do show up, they are fodder for someone like Cyclops or Colossus to casually demolish while uttering a quippy line.) The Sentinels became a threat, finally, when a *mutant* used one to destroy a bunch of nameless Genoshans. (And when it later became self-aware, it destroyed itself out of remorse!)

Reading about mutants *freaking out* about Sentinels, when they've done vastly less damage to mutantkind than nutjobs with guns, or exploding buses, is kind of surreal. And then funny, when you remember that they are giant purple-headed warriors. :)

As for the civilian populace of 616, they seem to be uniformly crazy and infinitely forgetful. In the Civil War, *before the act was actually voted into legality*, armed units were flying around New York trying to apprehend the Runaways *by launching heat-seeking high-explosive missiles at them,* and then, even better, *missing* and destroying high rise apartment buildings in the middle of Manhattan, quite possibly killing dozens, if not hundreds of civilians.

And this is apparently so well received that the survivors went on to vote for the Superhuman Registration Act anyway! Yes! More missiles blowing up our homes to protect us from those costumed crimefighters we'll probably never actually meet anyway!

Best not to judge the non-super-powered people of Earth-616 based on how uninterested any writer ever is of portraying even a single one of them as not-100%-a-dick.


Set wrote:
memorax wrote:
Even Sentinels seems not to bother the average person in the Marvel Universe. Considering the outcry over the use of drones. Yet Giant anti-mutant killer robots and no one blinks a eye. That causally rip open homes to get mutants.

And yet, they've got this amazing reputation, and you have to look far and wide to find a named mutant who's even been *hurt* by one, let alone killed by one. (Unless you are counting the Days of Future Past alternate future, in which they totally killed everyone! But in 616? When they do show up, they are fodder for someone like Cyclops or Colossus to casually demolish while uttering a quippy line.) The Sentinels became a threat, finally, when a *mutant* used one to destroy a bunch of nameless Genoshans. (And when it later became self-aware, it destroyed itself out of remorse!)

Reading about mutants *freaking out* about Sentinels, when they've done vastly less damage to mutantkind than nutjobs with guns, or exploding buses, is kind of surreal. And then funny, when you remember that they are giant purple-headed warriors. :)

As for the civilian populace of 616, they seem to be uniformly crazy and infinitely forgetful. In the Civil War, *before the act was actually voted into legality*, armed units were flying around New York trying to apprehend the Runaways *by launching heat-seeking high-explosive missiles at them,* and then, even better, *missing* and destroying high rise apartment buildings in the middle of Manhattan, quite possibly killing dozens, if not hundreds of civilians.

And this is apparently so well received that the survivors went on to vote for the Superhuman Registration Act anyway! Yes! More missiles blowing up our homes to protect us from those costumed crimefighters we'll probably never actually meet anyway!

Best not to judge the non-super-powered people of Earth-616 based on how uninterested any writer ever is of portraying even a single one of them as not-100%-a-dick.

Maybe because the named people are generally a couple of standard deviations above average mutant power level. Normal mutants living every day lives are ruined because of them, but the soldiers with strong superpowers are just fine.

Liberty's Edge

*cough* Morlocks *cough*

Shadow Lodge

Yeah. The average mutant isn't Scott "concussive death beams from my eyes" Summers. They tend to be on the power level or the morlock Tarbaby (ie, stuff sticks to me).

Liberty's Edge

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On the other hand your average mutant is also less of a douche than Scott Summers.

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Krensky wrote:
*cough* Morlocks *cough*

Didn't they all get massacred by a bunch of other mutants (including Sabertooth, who later joined the X-Men for a time?).

And then the survivors who relocated to Africa were massacred by gun-toting members of the Church of Humanity?

And then the survivors of the survivors left for another dimension with Mikhail Rasputin and came back as Gene Nation and ended up, in some cases, being killed by X-Men like Jean Grey?

Hardly seems fair to blame that one on the Sentinels. :)

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For the season finale tonight, I wouldn't mind seeing Cal go all Mr. Hyde and have to be taken down by a repaired Deathlok. That would be a pretty cool fight.


At this point, I'd rather see Cal not be taken down (temporarily or permanently). After all the crap he's been through, I really want to see him cathartically cut loose and wreck the base. Seriously drive home the point that superhumanity, Inhumanity, and aliens are in a different league powerwise... get S.H.I.E.L.D. planning and prepping towards the Registration Act and Civil War. With the FitzMac team broken up, it'd give Fitz the opportunity to continue acting as the idealist. And it'd let Simmons & May really dig in as more pragmatic (even ruthlessly so) opposing voices, and Son of Coul can try to find the best path between the two extremes.

The downside would be the potential for the writers to ratchet up Skye's "Emo McLoner" arc.

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Krensky wrote:
On the other hand your average mutant is also less of a douche than Scott Summers.

Thunderbolt Ross and Glenn Talbot together, are less of a douche than Summers.


LazarX wrote:
Krensky wrote:
On the other hand your average mutant is also less of a douche than Scott Summers.
Thunderbolt Ross and Glenn Talbot together, are less of a douche than Summers.

Scott Summers is the Captain DouchePlanet of the Marvel multiverse.

Liberty's Edge

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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Krensky wrote:
On the other hand your average mutant is also less of a douche than Scott Summers.
Thunderbolt Ross and Glenn Talbot together, are less of a douche than Summers.
Scott Summers is the Captain DouchePlanet of the Marvel multiverse.

I miss the days when I could argue against that point.

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Shisumo wrote:
Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Krensky wrote:
On the other hand your average mutant is also less of a douche than Scott Summers.
Thunderbolt Ross and Glenn Talbot together, are less of a douche than Summers.
Scott Summers is the Captain DouchePlanet of the Marvel multiverse.
I miss the days when I could argue against that point.

There were such days?

Liberty's Edge

Shisumo wrote:
Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Krensky wrote:
On the other hand your average mutant is also less of a douche than Scott Summers.
Thunderbolt Ross and Glenn Talbot together, are less of a douche than Summers.
Scott Summers is the Captain DouchePlanet of the Marvel multiverse.
I miss the days when I could argue against that point.

Well, the teenage Scott Summers that decided his adult self was an unredeemable douche and that he'd rather be a space pirate with his dad is a pretty decent guy.

Then again, Doctor Druid is a pretty decent guy compared to Summers.


Hama wrote:
Shisumo wrote:
Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Krensky wrote:
On the other hand your average mutant is also less of a douche than Scott Summers.
Thunderbolt Ross and Glenn Talbot together, are less of a douche than Summers.
Scott Summers is the Captain DouchePlanet of the Marvel multiverse.
I miss the days when I could argue against that point.
There were such days?

Yes there were.

Dark Archive

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Season Finale

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HOLY FUKKK!

Will buy more Disney stock in the morning.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:

Season Finale

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HOLY FUKKK!

Will buy more Disney stock in the morning.

Yeah I mean what the hell?!? That was a GREAT Season Finale.


Great season finale except for that last scene...I mean really!!!


Awesome finale. I can't wait for season three.


Dammit. forgot this was tonight. Update faster hulu!


It would seem that the MCU really, really hates poor Fitz.


Really great Season Finale.

Couple of comments...

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1) I was not surprised the Skye's mother turned out evil...it was stated in the first season both of her parents were monsters...people just assumed her father was the monster.

2) I am wondering if Cal is going to become Hyde now. Sure the changed his mind and personalty...but as shown that is not 100% and it is a wonderful set up for a multiple personalities.

3) Why did they not call in the Avengers to take back the carrier? That seems like the kinda of threat they would be called in for? Well besides the fact they don't have the budget for the actors or special effects. I guess a explanation is that the new team is not ready yet.

4) With the end scene of what happened to the crystals that went overboard( I wonder if the end of the Food of the Gods was any inspiration?) I am guessing the number of super powered individuals will go up which might lead to what happens in Civil War.


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Dammit, I take fish oil daily. That brand. In that dosage.

Silver Crusade

Yeah, that final scene caught me completely by surprise. I actually had to play it back just to make sure that I wasn't seeing things.

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Damon Griffin wrote:
Dammit, I take fish oil daily. That brand. In that dosage.

So what's your super power Griffin?

Being regular, while important, does not count.

HYDRA AGENTS

Spoiler:
Pick up Griffin for a "debriefing."

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That was a great season finale.

Spoiler:
Coulson will get a new arm from Dr. Chow or whatever her name was (from Avengers 2).

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Dammit. forgot this was tonight. Update faster hulu!

Ming-Na Wen

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SQUEEEEE!!!

Liberty's Edge

That was lovely and made me very happy. Next season should be very interesting.


AoS has really done a good job this season. I'm considering, almost reluctantly, putting AoS ahead of Flash in my Like book. I still don't give a s++* about any of the characters except Cal, Fitz and Hunter, but Ward is interesting now and Skye isn't a horribly unlikable turd any more. Combine that with pretty damn good story and you have a winner.


The end with the fish oil kind of reminds me of Skrull Kill Krew, with a lot less "ick".

(for those who don't know, Once upon a time there was a Skrull advance scout force that got hypnotized into thinking they were Cows. Years later Skrull-Cows become burgers and tadaa, a sudden batch of new Super-folks)

Scarab Sages

Agents of SHIELD

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Seeing Cal go all Hyde was pretty cool. Kind of wish there was more super strength and destruction to go along with it, though.

I really enjoyed the parts with Ward, Agent 33 and Bobbi. I thought the scenes were well scripted, with good acting and good fight sequences. And the end result of Bobbi putting herself in the line of fire to protect Hunter was really interesting. I’m glad they didn’t kill off either one. And the outcome of Ward looking to be the new top Hydra dude? Neat! Hail Hydra! Cut off one head, two more shall take it’s place.

Mack - you’re still a douche, but maybe less of a douche than I thought you were. So I’m glad you’re sticking around. Even if you did cut Coulson’s hand off. Which was kind of cool. Let me sing to you now of One-handed Coulson, and the _________ of DOOM!

Skye’s mom - damn, were you an evil b$#!*. I’m glad they killed you off.

May - you’ll be back. But setting up Agent 33 to have Ward kill her? Damn that was cold. Brilliant, but cold. He’s gonna be mad at you.

Coulson - WTF are you going to build now? And what kind of cool new hand are you going to get?

LASTLY - WTF?!? Is that thing in the case? And why did it have to eat Simmons?!? She was so cute. And she and Fitz were just about to move on into the awkward dating part of their relationship!! G$@@$!N IT!! Almost made me think of the Symbiote. But that would probably be in the Spiderman stuff with Sony. So they might be able to have it, just call it something else. It’ll be interesting.

And I'm so glad I don't take Fish Oil. Because I know, with my luck, I wouldn't be an Inhuman descendent.

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Good season finale, parts of it were satisfying. A lot of it has been surprisingly mediocre, though. Nothing *bad*, just a lot of "meh".

The entire set of characters were being dumb about Agent 33, by the way. SHIELD should have put some marker she couldn't remove on her (a bracelet or hadband or some other item that required a key to open and marked her very clearly for what she was). Ward and her should have definitly worked out some detail that will always ensure that he knows if he is dealing with her or not - I don't know, untied shoe laces or something. A subtle hint that will tip him off immediately but will not be obvious to anyone not knowing to look for it.

Honestly? Both SHIELD and Ward had what happened to them coming. They were being very sloppy. For plot reasons, I am sure, but that's still the story as it unfolded.

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3) Why did they not call in the Avengers to take back the carrier? That seems like the kinda of threat they would be called in for? Well besides the fact they don't have the budget for the actors or special effects. I guess a explanation is that the new team is not ready yet.

There's a somewhat compelling in-world reason, too. First, it is to some degree unclear how the Avengers would react to a war between powered people and SHIELD - would they even take the "right" side?

Second, as bad as things were for the characters, the public at large wasn't really menaced. Shield can't relay on the Avengers all the time, only bringing them in for the really big things. The events in this episode wouldn't even be a two minute action scene for the avengers.


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So, with that fish oil thing...I foresee lots of lawsuits. ;)

That, however, could very well be the 'incident' that triggers the 'Civil War'.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:

So what's your super power Griffin?

I'm not sure. Possibly an extremely limited form of immortality, which amounts to "not dying despite a host of ailments."

Spoiler:
I'm overweight, diabetic, have allergies out the wazoo, suffer from high blood pressure, low testosterone, low thyroid, ocular hypertension (at risk for glaucoma) and obstructive sleep apnea, stage 2 kidney disease and have been living with HIV/AIDS for the past 11 years. The fish oil is supposed to keep my heart healthy by helping to burn fat. Some people think it has a positive effect on patients who may be depressed or anxious, and the doctor who prescribed it used to ask me on every office visit if I was depressed. Gosh, I can't think why I would be.

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An awesome episode right until the end.

Spoiler:
WHAT THE HELL WITH SIMMONS


Some possibilities for Simmons:

(a) The thing in the box was designed as a weapon against Inhumans; she's not an Inhuman and will be fine once it realizes that and releases her. Unlikely; seems too anticlimactic.

(b) The thing in the box was designed as a weapon against Inhumans; she's revealed to have been an untriggered Inhuman and has now had that potential neutralized. will be fine once it realizes that and releases her. Again, unlikely; it just leaves us with the Simmons we thought we had all along.

(c) It was never designed as a weapon against Inhumans, that was just someone's paranoia. It's a probe of some kind, and is "learning" about us Earth-types by doing a comprehensive physical and mental scan of Simmons. Maybe, but that seems pointless unless the information gets acted on by the object's builders, and AoS isn't a good place to stage a full scale alien invasion.

(d) The thing in the box was designed as a weapon, but not selectively against Inhumans. It will infect/alter Simmons in some way. I really wouldn't care for this. If she's compelled to do something afterward, it's too much like what happened to Coulson. If she's physically altered or gains powers, too much like what happened to Skye/Raina. If it changes her mental state or personality, too much like what happened to Fitz.

Anything else?

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LASTLY - WTF?!? Is that thing in the case? And why did it have to eat Simmons?!? She was so cute. And she and Fitz were just about to move on into the awkward dating part of their relationship!! G&!$~%N IT!! Almost made me think of the Symbiote. But that would probably be in the Spiderman stuff with Sony. So they might be able to have it, just call it something else. It’ll be interesting.

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I bet she'll be fine. For certain values of 'fine' anyway. Her getting powers would be both interesting and ironic given her attitude this season.
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And I'm so glad I don't take Fish Oil. Because I know, with my luck, I wouldn't be an Inhuman descendent.

Actually...

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I don't think it works like that. There are actualy two substances involved here, the metal the diviner was made of, and the terrigen crystals. I think only the latter (which grants powers, but doesn't kill anyone on its own) wound up in the fish oil. Basically, I just don't think they're gonna have thousands of people die from a dramatic perspective.

That said, I can think of several logical reasons why it would work out that way. Firstly, the two materials are bound together in the solid form, but could easily split when dissolved. The metal could also sink pretty easily. Additionally...I'd expect fist who got any of the metal would die, and calcify, making them not suitable to be made into fish oil.

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On the other hand your average mutant is also less of a douche than Scott Summers.
Thunderbolt Ross and Glenn Talbot together, are less of a douche than Summers.
Scott Summers is the Captain DouchePlanet of the Marvel multiverse.
I miss the days when I could argue against that point.
There were such days?

Yes there were... Scott Summers as originally created had his moments of being stuffy, or not a cool person to be around, but for some reason, Marvel decided to rewrite the character to be a total asshat. His treatment of Madelyne Pryor was awful, he picks up women, establishes emotional bonds promises deep commitment, and then dumps them without much as a buy your leave. And then they started making him a real jerk.

The only conclusion that makes sense to me is that the folks who currently write the X-Men were hooligans who read the original stories has a kid, and decided when they actually got the chance, they'd destroy him as a character, because he was so "uncool" when they read him as kids.

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