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I knew I felt weird yesterday....

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Must you every time?


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Yes he must. I have examined his DNA and the hate is in his genes.

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Admittedly, I am not sure how I feel about the new, and darker, tone of the series. :/

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
SeeDarkly_X wrote:
So if a Nielsen viewer watches Supernatural and DVRs SHIELD... that IS significant as a loss to ABC ratings.
How so? how is that calculation made? a lot of folks are moving to the net for their entertainment these days (network TV websites, Netflix, etc.)

DVR numbers matter less because DVR viewers tend to fast forward past the commercials.


LazarX wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
SeeDarkly_X wrote:
So if a Nielsen viewer watches Supernatural and DVRs SHIELD... that IS significant as a loss to ABC ratings.
How so? how is that calculation made? a lot of folks are moving to the net for their entertainment these days (network TV websites, Netflix, etc.)
DVR numbers matter less because DVR viewers tend to fast forward past the commercials.

I honestly wonder how relavent Nielsen ratings are these days. fewer and fewer people watch right off the TV now. Just get it comercial free from the internet, perfectly legal too since it's on the network site.

Tuesdays is Boardgame night in Regina and I rarely miss it. I watch Shield wendsday streamed off the network site. Get to see it on my own time, no commercials. I've honestly reached a point where I find watching right off the TV very frustrating.

Commercials are annoying as hell, It's hard to beleive we used to put up with them before streaming


Lord Fyre wrote:
Admittedly, I am not sure how I feel about the new, and darker, tone of the series. :/

That was kind of inevitable with the Winter Soldier events though.


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Enjoyed the season opener. They did a classic Marvel villain justice. The bit in the park

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where he pulls that ball and chain from the railing to use as a weapon
was a nice nod to the comics. Also liked that it wasn't all revolving around Skye, like most of the last season.

Pretty sure they're setting up the LMDs with Agent Koenig.

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MMCJawa wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Admittedly, I am not sure how I feel about the new, and darker, tone of the series. :/
That was kind of inevitable with the Winter Soldier events though.

True. ... and it does make a comicbook show more "adult."


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Lord Fyre wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Admittedly, I am not sure how I feel about the new, and darker, tone of the series. :/
That was kind of inevitable with the Winter Soldier events though.
True. ... and it does make a comicbook show more "adult."

won't someone think of the children?!

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Freehold DM wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Admittedly, I am not sure how I feel about the new, and darker, tone of the series. :/
That was kind of inevitable with the Winter Soldier events though.
True. ... and it does make a comicbook show more "adult."
won't someone think of the children?!

well, it airs at 9pm now, not 8pm... so kids should be in bed by then.

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And who cares? Kids love this kind of stuff. I watched Alien the first time when I was around 6.

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Hama wrote:
And who cares? Kids love this kind of stuff. I watched Alien the first time when I was around 6.

That explains a lot Hama. :)

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The only movie that really frightened the hell out of me was IT. I walked on chairs for days to get to bed.

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Hama wrote:

The only movie that really frightened the hell out of me was IT. I walked on chairs for days to get to bed.

that crap freaked me out too, and I was well into my 20's when I saw IT... pun intended...

How old were you????


Freehold DM wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Admittedly, I am not sure how I feel about the new, and darker, tone of the series. :/
That was kind of inevitable with the Winter Soldier events though.
True. ... and it does make a comicbook show more "adult."
won't someone think of the children?!

I promise to stop watching R rated movies around you or make sure that you are in bed first. Did you want your bottle too? Shall we change your diaper?


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Freehold, all R-rated movies and shows are executive produced by the Whedon-Brown Cabal. There, he'll never watch them now; problem solved.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Hama wrote:

The only movie that really frightened the hell out of me was IT. I walked on chairs for days to get to bed.

that crap freaked me out too, and I was well into my 20's when I saw IT... pun intended...

How old were you????

Around 6

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Hama wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Hama wrote:

The only movie that really frightened the hell out of me was IT. I walked on chairs for days to get to bed.

that crap freaked me out too, and I was well into my 20's when I saw IT... pun intended...

How old were you????

Around 6

THAT IS NOT RIGHT!!!!


So anyone else thinking that...

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Either Fitz or Simmons will end up working for the Villains this time around? I can see Fitz going far enough into his delusions that he thinks the team is now ignoring him/holding him back intentionally and switching sides to prove them wrong. Or Simmons going to any length possible to restore Fitz to the way he was and to hell with the consequences.

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@atheral

Possibly. But I don't think so. They are too lovable.

Although, this is Whedon's baby we're talking about. He loves to pull that crap on everyone's favorite character.

@PDK

I watched it myself. Parents were asleep. I was an imp. :D

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atheral wrote:

So anyone else thinking that...

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The problem is Fitz is too brain damaged to do any work for anyone. he has completely lost any touch with reality, and it's at least partially Simmon's fault for leaving him when he needed her most.

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LazarX wrote:
atheral wrote:

So anyone else thinking that...

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mind gem! mind gem! :)

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I like Agents of Shield.....but

Kind of disappointed in that the villian got ahead of a fast moving vehicle without any apparent why, and a human shaped piece of asphalt was an immoveable object against an SUV moving at a high speeds.

Edit: Yes the SUV would have still been in an accident......but mister asphalt guy would have been crumbs all over.

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Jacob Saltband wrote:

I like Agents of Shield.....but

Kind of disappointed in that the villian got ahead of a fast moving vehicle without any apparent why, and a human shaped piece of asphalt was an immoveable object against an SUV moving at a high speeds.

Edit: Yes the SUV would have still been in an accident......but mister asphalt guy would have been crumbs all over.

You're right. F=m*a still applies.

He would have needed to be something much harder to survive that collision without injury himself, like a diamond. Even so, he would still bounce.

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Yeah, because in a show with superhumans who can absorb other materials we should worry about realistic physics.

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Hama wrote:
Yeah, because in a show with superhumans who can absorb other materials we should worry about realistic physics.

Yes.


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I will second that yes.

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I'll just take it as rule of cool and an acceptable break from reality.


It's certainly not a deal breaker on the coolness of the show. BUT it would be nice if they used a little science every now and again. The geek inside me cries every time shows ignore the obvious science.

Besides the villain had that diamond didn't he? How hard would it have been to add a touch of realism?


Marvel has a long and glorious tradition of ignoring science or inventing their own. Stan Lee in an interview once about the Fantastic Four uttered a phrase that's stuck with me my whole life: "I know nothing of science." Gamma bombs, cosmic rays, radioactive spider bites, these things MUST be accepted to have the Marvel universe.

One time in a comic book I saw Colossus leap in front of a speeding truck and PUNCH it in the engine block. The vehicle "THOOMED" around him and he was completely unmoved by the impact, the force of the explosion, or anything. He didn't even lose his pants. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say if you're watching Agents of Shield hoping for sciency bits, its likely you'll be disappointed.

I loved it. All of it. The sorrow, the down notes, the rough start and the

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willingness to do it all for a Quinjet
. I just hope that Coulson remains the one point of light and humor in all this. He has been the one thing in the show that seemed the most human; everyone else in the first season was a stereotype or a drama queen or whatever. But Coulson was the leader who didn't have all the answers; the guy that was willing to throw humor along with grenades; the dude who freaked out on the doorstep of the secret base. I LIKE that guy and I tune in for him. If he gets too hard and dark, the show might be over quick for me.


Hama wrote:
Yeah, because in a show with superhumans who can absorb other materials we should worry about realistic physics.

I go over and watch this (and other shows we watch on DVR) with my mom every week. She's not normally one to point out scientific inaccuracies and whatnot.

The first words out of her mouth after that scene were "Oh come on, the asphalt would have broken into a bunch of pieces".

Sometimes, suspension of disbelief is broken by things that by all rights should not be a big a deal as accepting that, say, a guy can absorb materials in the first place. It happens.


The tarmac had a chip from a woman's engagement ring mixed in it. Add this to the fact that the Marvel Super Heroes game from 1985 suggests that when Absorbing Man absorbs a material he gains Strength and Body Armor equal to the substance he's absorbing. Also it goes on to say that he can absorb energy as well. I posit that the diamond/asphalt mix was stronger than normal tarmac giving him better than average properties for absorbing the road's surface coupled with a spontaneous absorbtion and redirection of the force of the car at the moment of impact caused the scene we witnessed in the show.

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Mark Hoover wrote:
The tarmac had a chip from a woman's engagement ring mixed in it. Add this to the fact that the Marvel Super Heroes game from 1985 suggests that when Absorbing Man absorbs a material he gains Strength and Body Armor equal to the substance he's absorbing. Also it goes on to say that he can absorb energy as well. I posit that the diamond/asphalt mix was stronger than normal tarmac giving him better than average properties for absorbing the road's surface coupled with a spontaneous absorbtion and redirection of the force of the car at the moment of impact caused the scene we witnessed in the show.

Shooting for a No-Prize?


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I don't get the "Blame Simmons" bandwagon I've seen here and elsewhere.

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She and Fitz both went through a very traumatic ideal. He is brain-damaged because he sacrificed himself for her, which is likely making her deal with a large amount of "survivor's guilt" on top of dealing with what happened to them and her best friend being in a terrible state. On top of that, based on how Fitz behaved towards the hallucinatory Simmons, she was probably on the receiving end of a lot of his anger about his current state. Because of that, it makes perfect sense that she would feel the need to leave and that a break from her, the target of his anger, might actually help him. Obviously, it didn't work out how she thought.

That being said, Fitz IS improving. The Simmons in his head is providing him with words and information he needs, which means his brain IS coming up with those things, just not via the normal pathways. Eventually his brain should be able re-wire itself to access those concepts in a more standard manner.

On top of that, if Simmons is not out researching a "cure" for Fitz on her own, away from the distractions of the team, I will be shocked.

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Kalshane wrote:

I don't get the "Blame Simmons" bandwagon I've seen here and elsewhere.

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I'm saving any judgement until

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after Simmons shows back up we've been filled in about what she's been up to during her absense. Here being gone from the team makes sense from the POV of Fitz's story. Otherwise, the hallucinations would be really weird because we'd be seeing Real Simmons and Imaginary Simmons.

Skeld wrote:
Kalshane wrote:

I don't get the "Blame Simmons" bandwagon I've seen here and elsewhere.

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I'm saving any judgement until ** spoiler omitted **

Also...

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its likely the hallucinations started when she left. His fragile brain couldn't deal with the fact she was gone, so it decided that she wasn't.

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GregH wrote:
Skeld wrote:
Kalshane wrote:

I don't get the "Blame Simmons" bandwagon I've seen here and elsewhere.

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I'm saving any judgement until ** spoiler omitted **

Also...

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Probably. We'll know for sure once they touch that topic.


Iirc, absorbing man was superhumanly dense as well as...absorby. I'll have to check.


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Yeah, I wasn't too bothered by Absorbing Man being able to work some mojo to take on the car without any problems. I was much more bothered by him being able to intercept it without any explanation for 1) how he was fast enough to get ahead of it; and 2) how he located it so easily. That was much more immersion breaking, especially since they didn't even try and offer any sort of explanation.

That said, I did really like him as a villain overall. Especially after some of the previous villains being epic monologuers, having a villain who was just intimidating and generally just went about his business without any grandstanding or bantering, was a nice change of pace.


Matthew Koelbl wrote:

Yeah, I wasn't too bothered by Absorbing Man being able to work some mojo to take on the car without any problems. I was much more bothered by him being able to intercept it without any explanation for 1) how he was fast enough to get ahead of it; and 2) how he located it so easily. That was much more immersion breaking, especially since they didn't even try and offer any sort of explanation.

That said, I did really like him as a villain overall. Especially after some of the previous villains being epic monologuers, having a villain who was just intimidating and generally just went about his business without any grandstanding or bantering, was a nice change of pace.

I wasn't that concerned about the asphalt thing...it was just such an "oh $#!^" moment that it was worth the suspension of disbelief.


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GregH wrote:

Don't have PVR so can't rewind, but can someone else confirm

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I'd say yes. Certainly seemed like a humanoid with a certain skin colour.


You know, after re-watching it I do have one major issue: why the blankety-blank did Hartley open the box? There's no way they were going to conceal they were there, Coulson had already asked Ross about the item...just grab the box and worry about the contents later!


Because the dumbs.

Or it was the show's way of keeping equilibrium. It killed her off in fear of Xena taking over the cast.


I'm not sure the whole "Absorbing Man gets a rush from absorbing things" bit added anything to the character, though I'm willing to wait and see if it goes anywhere in the next episode.

Similarly- why didn't he keep the diamond in his pocket the whole time so he could just absorb its properties?

(But then, the same could be said about the character in the comics, too- although I do seem to recall a storyline in the comics where he finally clued into doing just that sort of thing himself. Guy was never too bright.)


Cthulhudrew wrote:

I'm not sure the whole "Absorbing Man gets a rush from absorbing things" bit added anything to the character, though I'm willing to wait and see if it goes anywhere in the next episode.

Similarly- why didn't he keep the diamond in his pocket the whole time so he could just absorb its properties?

(But then, the same could be said about the character in the comics, too- although I do seem to recall a storyline in the comics where he finally clued into doing just that sort of thing himself. Guy was never too bright.)

Actually, I think they mentioned that he does that kinda stuff in the role playing game. Creel ain't too bright, but he's not SO stupid as to not be prepared for a situation. I think he usually goes without shoes so he can always switch in an emergency.


Comic book Creel spent a lot of time in the company of a prisoner's ball and chain. Said ball and chain was magically transformed into a substance of Asgardian level power. Whenever he needed a pick-me-up he grabbed his weapon. Add to that the fact that he wasn't very bright and yeah, I can see him not walking around with a diamond in his pocket.

In the show? See: Rynjinn's last post

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Spiral_Ninja wrote:
You know, after re-watching it I do have one major issue: why the blankety-blank did Hartley open the box? There's no way they were going to conceal they were there, Coulson had already asked Ross about the item...just grab the box and worry about the contents later!

presumably she had some hope that the item would be something she'd fight Creel off with. it's called a gamble for a reason.


Except she'd already opened it before Creel showed up.

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Similarly- why didn't he keep the diamond in his pocket the whole time so he could just absorb its properties?

The reason he didn't keep the diamond is that he was arrested (and presumably searched) by the military after the failed assassination attempt.

Likely the police took it.

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