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GLOATING!!!!!!!!!!

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Your persistence is kinda amusing. I can't harbor bad feelings toward you for some reason.

Dark Archive

The Winter Soldier crossover really amped things up. It's still pretty formula, and has some terrible moments, but it's 100% improved from the beginning of the 1st season.

Plus it's not even Joss Whedon, it's one of his brothers.

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Kthulhu wrote:
It looks like Skye's dad is Kyle McLachlen. Skye is the spawn of BOB confirmed!
The only way this gets better is if he's an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. A special agent. Special agent Dale Cooper. Now that's a DAMN good cup of coffee.

Nah, that dude's trapped in the Black Lodge.

...although it has almost been 25 years now...


Oh no... Freehold will gloat!
After one more season or nine? ;)

Right now AoS only has a full season down. I'm pretty sure there is a fan base willing to keep it running.
Time will tell, but I think you'll be disappointed in your ability to gloat when the day comes.

Much as I thought Smallville was lackluster and not really done as well as it could have been, there really isn't any denying it succeeded for ten seasons.
It's just hard to gloat over something you don't like when it ends in success.

The toughest challenge for AoS in this coming season for them will be that they moved into a competing slot with Supernatural...
And while that is ABC vs CW, both shows are targeting essentially the same general market (especially airing The Flash in the hour before.)
They also DID do better in rating in that timeslot the one time they did that last season. AoS starts two weeks earlier than F&SN.

They have some cool draws to the show this season too, though the fan base for some of those skews a little older.
I'm doubtful of how much the greater 18-24 demo remembers Twin Peaks or even Xena for that matter. (They might remember Lawless from BSG, I suppose.)
I am pretty excited about the mid-season run of the Agent Carter mini-series too!

Also they don't have any MCU film interruption of their story until May so that like reduces that complication.
And when does the first MCU Netflix show start? Also May.
Interesting timing...

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Freehold DM wrote:
It will end one day. And I will be there gloating when it does.

If you do not already, I therefore recommend you start living a healthy lifestyle... it could be a while... :)

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SeeDarkly_X wrote:
The toughest challenge for AoS in this coming season for them will be that they moved into a competing slot with Supernatural...

I'm lame with tech in general, but even I have at least one rank in "Profession: Use DVR" :)

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Supernatural has gotten very very lackluster after season 4 so I don't really think that there will be too many problems.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
SeeDarkly_X wrote:
The toughest challenge for AoS in this coming season for them will be that they moved into a competing slot with Supernatural...
I'm lame with tech in general, but even I have at least one rank in "Profession: Use DVR" :)

I don't know. You might have a high Skill DC for that roll.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
I'm lame with tech in general, but even I have at least one rank in "Profession: Use DVR" :)

It's not about the challenge of the viewer to see it, but the network to have it seen at airtime.

Ratings don't tend to include DVR viewings. (If that is even being tracked, it would represent a whole other issue in its invasion of privacy.) And while there are other metrics available to gauge various levels of "success," (like how well something is trending in social media,) initial views at airtime are what networks consider the most valuable in terms of gauging how successful a show is. It's part of what they use to attract advertisers and be in a position to sell airtime for more money.

As far as Supernatural, yeah, they aren't as likely to pick up that many new viewers on their own. BUT with the Flash on before it, it is not unlikely that they will get some carryover of those viewers, which is probably why they strategically scheduled that way.

SHIELD had announced its fall schedule before Flash did after all.

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SeeDarkly_X wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
I'm lame with tech in general, but even I have at least one rank in "Profession: Use DVR" :)

It's not about the challenge of the viewer to see it, but the network to have it seen at airtime.

Ratings don't tend to include DVR viewings. (If that is even being tracked, it would represent a whole other issue in its invasion of privacy.) And while there are other metrics available to gauge various levels of "success," (like how well something is trending in social media,) initial views at airtime are what networks consider the most valuable in terms of gauging how successful a show is. It's part of what they use to attract advertisers and be in a position to sell airtime for more money.

As far as Supernatural, yeah, they aren't as likely to pick up that many new viewers on their own. BUT with the Flash on before it, it is not unlikely that they will get some carryover of those viewers, which is probably why they strategically scheduled that way.

SHIELD had announced its fall schedule before Flash did after all.

S.H.I.E.L.D. better make the most of that two week head start!

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One thing that kind of hindered the first season, although it made a lot of sense in hindsight, was that it had a couple of hiatuses. The Olympics were a given, of course. But it wasn't really obvious at first why it had another big hiatus, and it probably lost some viewers in that time. The reasoning, of course, was that they needed to schedule a couple of episodes to fall around the premier of Winter Soldier. They also tried to line up the Asguardian Rage Staff episode with The Dark World.


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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

Looks like Adrianne Palicki will be popping up in season 2 as ** spoiler omitted **

Lucy Lawless, Nick Blood, and Reed Diamond are also on board.

it got renewed?!?!

Erm, of course it did.

It exists as a vehicle to promote the MCU, if nothing else. It airs on ABC. Disney owns ABC, and likewise Marvel.

As long as it isn't hemorrhaging money, it'll keep getting renewed.


Renewed for another season? HAH!!! Take THAT you anti-Whedon hater! ~glares at Freehold DM~ I guess I should be nice and not kick him while he is down. ~"accidentally" stubs my toe against his ribs.~ Oh. I am so sorry, Freehold DM. Did that hurt?

~grins~


Sharoth wrote:
Take THAT you anti-Whedon hater!

Shouldn't that mean he hates anti-Whedon?

Who IS the Anti-Whedon? Goyer?

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SeeDarkly_X wrote:

It's not about the challenge of the viewer to see it, but the network to have it seen at airtime.

Ratings don't tend to include DVR viewings.

DVR info is tracked. Most assuredly!


Sharoth wrote:

Renewed for another season? HAH!!! Take THAT you anti-Whedon hater! ~glares at Freehold DM~ I guess I should be nice and not kick him while he is down. ~"accidentally" stubs my toe against his ribs.~ Oh. I am so sorry, Freehold DM. Did that hurt?

~grins~

i will have my revenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
SeeDarkly_X wrote:

It's not about the challenge of the viewer to see it, but the network to have it seen at airtime.

Ratings don't tend to include DVR viewings.

DVR info is tracked. Most assuredly!

I'll amend... It is tracked but supposedly only in homes with Nielsen dairies/monitors. DVR views are, however, still not the optimum of preferred viewership for any network. And DVR recordings with lengthy delays in viewing even less so.

So if a Nielsen viewer watches Supernatural and DVRs SHIELD... that IS significant as a loss to ABC ratings.


Lord Snow wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

Looks like Adrianne Palicki will be popping up in season 2 as ** spoiler omitted **

Lucy Lawless, Nick Blood, and Reed Diamond are also on board.

it got renewed?!?!

Yes, and Whedon will be directing all of season 2.

** spoiler omitted **

Ohhh is it true Whedon will direct the whole season? That would rock!


Aranna wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

Looks like Adrianne Palicki will be popping up in season 2 as ** spoiler omitted **

Lucy Lawless, Nick Blood, and Reed Diamond are also on board.

it got renewed?!?!

Yes, and Whedon will be directing all of season 2.

** spoiler omitted **

Ohhh is it true Whedon will direct the whole season? That would rock!

it's like I don't know you anymore!


Batman is perfectly willing to kill..............superheroes.


I wouldn't worry about Supernatural. I think the show will be on its last season, and honestly it's gotten pretty stale at this point. In contrast, AOS still has the new show vibe, plus all the love the MCU has generated.

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SeeDarkly_X wrote:
So if a Nielsen viewer watches Supernatural and DVRs SHIELD... that IS significant as a loss to ABC ratings.

How so? how is that calculation made? a lot of folks are moving to the net for their entertainment these days (network TV websites, Netflix, etc.)


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
SeeDarkly_X wrote:
So if a Nielsen viewer watches Supernatural and DVRs SHIELD... that IS significant as a loss to ABC ratings.
How so? how is that calculation made? a lot of folks are moving to the net for their entertainment these days (network TV websites, Netflix, etc.)

It's kind of the same mechanic that makes opening weekend at the Box Office a big deal. Most views at first broadcast means more to them. Always has...

Yes they want second and delayed views that they can quantify too, but initial impact means more.
More "next day water-cooler talk", more saturation of the market, more exposure for their advertisers.
And, you're not wrong, web broadcast is becoming more constant as the norm, not to mention binge watching...etc... but doesn't have the same advertising advantage.
Especially with time-sensitive messages.

For instance, in the example above... at the moment the viewer watches Supernatural, not just SHIELD isn't being watched... also their ads and network promotions.
And if that viewer doesn't get to it immediately or waits out several episodes to binge watch, the impact and possibly even relevance of the advertising decreases.

No network would bother scheduling broadcast if initial air-time had no meaning to them. In fact, it would be more likely they would make all shows available for web as soon as produced, or at the beginning of the day. They WANT to congregate as many viewers at once. The WANT it to be "an event."
I don't know how EVERY network deals with on demand or web re-broadcasts... but I know some will delay 1 or 2 days or even weeks from initial broadcast.

And for the record... I'm not saying Supernatural (with Flash preceding it) is an insurmountable challenge for Agents of SHIELD that dooms them in any way.
I simply recognize it as potentially their biggest challenge going into the new season... largely because (and I say this about so few DC productions) Flash stands to be a pretty big hit from the start. Second to that challenge is the fact that DC effectively will have prime-time TV content airing on FOUR different days of the week, all on networks that will advertise anything but SHIELD.


I'm not sure that shows are tracked outside of Nielson sets.

While it's conceivable that DVR and cable boxes report viewings, that's not something readily advertised by cable companies.
Because they don't want advertisers having access to the actual DVR usage of "8 minute delays" to just skip commercials. The cable providers generate as much revenue as networks, maybe more, from advertising sales.

Now shows accessed via Netflix, Hulu and in AoS's case ABC direct are tabbed up pretty accurately. Networks are moving to online services and APPS because they don't want to have to dicker with cable providers.

Also ABC is gonna do Exactly what Momma Disney wants. Momma Disney wants the availability of AoS as a cross platform marketing tool. It's a slick weekly ad for the Marvel Properties, those are currently a cash cow. Even the weak movies have turned a profit. The show doesn't need to win giant ratings or even it's time slot to be considered useful and profitable.

Arrow's success and Flash coming is pressure on Disney to stay relevant in the super hero TV platform. They can be happy beating WB at the box office; for now. It's gonna be a game of chicken between WB and Disney for a couple of years. Both will take some risks in the next few years. Disney spent more in the acquisition of Marvel and has been successful in capitalizing on that investment. WB has let DC sorta sit for too long and they know it, they don't need to recoup any upfront costs but they know that the Super Hero Bubble could pass them by. WB wins in animation and TV, so far. Disney is killing at the box office. Both sides want to win the other arena. Ratings aren't what they were once especially in these shared worlds where billions of dollars are on the line at the end.

It's a good time to like funny books.

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zagnabbit wrote:
It's a good time to like funny books.

Indeed. AoS is unsinkable, as long as it's a pipeline to a big hole in the ground from which bubbles up cash money.

If people will pay them for advertising time on what, to them, is essentially a giant commercial for their movie product, that's just gold rims and spinners on the wheelbarrow full of money they are pushing.

If the writers embrace their immunity-from-cancellation, it's possible that some good episodes could come out of that, as they could throw formula to the wind and do something shocking, like bury their lead, the massive sucking void of personality that is Coulson, who they have to tell us is so terribly cool and we must love at least three times an episode, in case viewers begin to wonder why he's so 'popular' (in the way that Hannah Montana was popular, because Disney said she was over and over and over), when he actually hasn't ever been cool (or even mildly interesting or witty), on-screen.

Sometimes I feel like I'm watching Firefly all over again, and wishing that Coulson/Mal would fall out an airlock and die, and the much more dynamic and interesting May/Zoe would end up running the ship.

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it's a glorious age for comic nerds SUCH AS I, yes!!!! and my dad told me all these comics were a waste! psha! (oh wait, i'm not exactly cashing into that comic fan frenzy... i'm still a consumer....... oh dad! you win again)


zagnabbit wrote:

I'm not sure that shows are tracked outside of Nielson sets.

While it's conceivable that DVR and cable boxes report viewings, that's not something readily advertised by cable companies.

As Purple Knight Dragon corrected me above, I looked into it and yes, DVR views are tracked... but apparently only within homes already being tracked by Nielsen.

(That may add additional context to my previous example.)

Anything additional to that, by cable companies, etc..., would constitute a measure of privacy invasion... not that it matters, I'm willing to put SHIELD on with the sound down and leave the room (just in case they are tracking, but they're not tracking) since I watch it with my wife later on her schedule.

And I can't disagree that SHIELD will do well for a long time. That doesn't mean the challenge isn't present for them.

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If the writers embrace their immunity-from-cancellation, it's possible that some good episodes could come out of that, as they could throw formula to the wind and do something shocking, like bury their lead, the massive sucking void of personality that is Coulson, who they have to tell us is so terribly cool and we must love at least three times an episode, in case viewers begin to wonder why he's so 'popular' (in the way that Hannah Montana was popular, because Disney said she was over and over and over), when he actually hasn't ever been cool (or even mildly interesting or witty), on-screen.

I don't know, dude. I started watching the show because of Coulson, without any prior knowledge about him from the comics or anything like that. He's kinda neat. I like that he is understated, that he is a fan of vintage and superheroes, and that he just seems so... nice. While still being an action hero. I'm all for that.


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If the writers embrace their immunity-from-cancellation, it's possible that some good episodes could come out of that, as they could throw formula to the wind and do something shocking, like bury their lead, the massive sucking void of personality that is Coulson, who they have to tell us is so terribly cool and we must love at least three times an episode, in case viewers begin to wonder why he's so 'popular' (in the way that Hannah Montana was popular, because Disney said she was over and over and over), when he actually hasn't ever been cool (or even mildly interesting or witty), on-screen.
I don't know, dude. I started watching the show because of Coulson, without any prior knowledge about him from the comics or anything like that. He's kinda neat. I like that he is understated, that he is a fan of vintage and superheroes, and that he just seems so... nice. While still being an action hero. I'm all for that.

This!

Coulson is awesome. Hands down my favorite character in the show.

He has that fun quality that he's living the dream. He gets to hang out with Captain America and taser Iron man.. He hangs out with gods and fights monsters, has higher access and knows more secrets then any of them... and gets to drive a flying car!

He's like a kid in a candy shop and KNOWS it...

And then when he REALLY needs to bring the hurt, he's proficient in that too ;)

He's just... FUN! I liked him back in Iron man 1 & 2... and the more I see him the more I like him.

If they killed him off... I'm not sure why I'd even tune in anymore...

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He has that fun quality that he's living the dream. He gets to hang out with Captain America and taser Iron man.. He hangs out with gods and fights monsters, has higher access and knows more secrets then any of them... and gets to drive a flying car!

Yes, exactly. His looks are just so... normal? He could easily be anybody's dad, or a friend from work, or something. But instead of working in some law firm, he's hanging out with the big hitters of the super hero world. He's having fun with it and I'm there smiling with him.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
SeeDarkly_X wrote:
The toughest challenge for AoS in this coming season for them will be that they moved into a competing slot with Supernatural...
I'm lame with tech in general, but even I have at least one rank in "Profession: Use DVR" :)

Wait, there's still networks? I thought everyone just watched these on Hulu now...


Lord Snow wrote:
Quote:
If the writers embrace their immunity-from-cancellation, it's possible that some good episodes could come out of that, as they could throw formula to the wind and do something shocking, like bury their lead, the massive sucking void of personality that is Coulson, who they have to tell us is so terribly cool and we must love at least three times an episode, in case viewers begin to wonder why he's so 'popular' (in the way that Hannah Montana was popular, because Disney said she was over and over and over), when he actually hasn't ever been cool (or even mildly interesting or witty), on-screen.
I don't know, dude. I started watching the show because of Coulson, without any prior knowledge about him from the comics or anything like that. He's kinda neat. I like that he is understated, that he is a fan of vintage and superheroes, and that he just seems so... nice. While still being an action hero. I'm all for that.

Coulson only exists in the comics because of the movies. He didn't make it in until after he died during The Avengers.

I started watching because of Coulson as well. He was the only main character anyone knew before tuning in, after all.


It's interesting just how much I always HATED SHIELD as a concept. All those highly trained best of the best superspies... whose only real point was to die in large groups and/or get infiltrated to show just 'how bad' things were for the real heroes...

The idea of SHIELD show honestly did not appeal to me in the least before Coulson came around.

We had a homebrew Marvel RPG game for a while, the first thing I did was cut out Shield completely... I replaced them with GIjoe and put Fury in charge of THAT... NOW we had actual 'specialists' for whatever mission was required...

AoS really turned me around on the concept.

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I always disliked shield, mostly because Fury was an obstacle to everyone and a kind of a jackass.


Coulson died in Avengers. Then Fury says they have to honor his sacrifice and become a team, giving them the catalyst to become the Avengers. I just always pictured every meeting of the Avengers after that being Hulk, Thor and the rest standing around a table chanting "His name was Phil Coulson... His name was Phil Coulson..."

Anyway I suppose I'm a bit of a sap and not very smart. Not as smart as some of you guys who see right through the tropes he represents. I give that opinion because I like the character and the way the Gregg plays him.

I like that he's a goof; I like that he's childish. I was actually moved when he had his breakdown in the snow outside the secret base. Sometimes leaders don't HAVE all the answers and they aren't the square-jawed heroes. Sometimes regular guys fall down on the job. But it has to MEAN something.

That's the brilliance of Whedon in my opinion. Mal, like Coulson, is portrayed as a cookie cutter formula whose tropes are so obvious even I get 'em. But when the chips are down they don't instantly man up, super-charge and have a getting stronger montage. They crack, they cry, they show weakness and fault. They're HUMAN!

That's the thing that keeps me coming back to Coulson. The rest of the characters on this show are 2 dimensional and even Sky could disappear and I wouldn't notice. But Coulson is one of us. He's what we'd be under the exact same circumstances. He keeps trying, but he makes mistakes and loses it.

Remember; agents in SHIELD don't really have names. Maybe LAST names, but not real names. Its only in death that we really know their names. His name, was Phil Coulson... His name was Phil Coulson...

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Coulson (his first name is Agent) rocks. I wouldn't have watched the show without him.

"He's really stepped up his game."


Looks like they're bringing in another super-powered villain next season, namely the Absorbing Man.

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Shadowborn wrote:
Looks like they're bringing in another super-powered villain next season, namely the Absorbing Man.

Cool. He's got great powers. People who turn into metal, wood, bone, stone, gas, liquid, energy, etc. have always been some of my favorites. Such a great and versatile powerset! Also nicely visually dynamic, for on-screen appearances.


Set wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
Looks like they're bringing in another super-powered villain next season, namely the Absorbing Man.
Cool. He's got great powers. People who turn into metal, wood, bone, stone, gas, liquid, energy, etc. have always been some of my favorites. Such a great and versatile powerset! Also nicely visually dynamic, for on-screen appearances.

I'm always going to think of his Oops! moment in Avengers EMH where he absorbed Mjolnir. It seemed like a good idea at the time, until he was shown that he doesn't control the hammer, Thor does....


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I'm always going to think of his Oops! moment in Avengers EMH where he absorbed Mjolnir. It seemed like a good idea at the time, until he was shown that he doesn't control the hammer, Thor does....

Yeah. That scene was great. Man, I miss that show.

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phantom1592 wrote:

It's interesting just how much I always HATED SHIELD as a concept. All those highly trained best of the best superspies... whose only real point was to die in large groups and/or get infiltrated to show just 'how bad' things were for the real heroes...

The idea of SHIELD show honestly did not appeal to me in the least before Coulson came around.

We had a homebrew Marvel RPG game for a while, the first thing I did was cut out Shield completely... I replaced them with GIjoe and put Fury in charge of THAT... NOW we had actual 'specialists' for whatever mission was required...

AoS really turned me around on the concept.

The thing with the super hero genre is, that the main characters are so insanely powerful that it doesn't matter how well trained the super-spies of SHIELD are. They are always going to remain in the shadows when the like of Thor or Iron Man are doing their business - and to challenge Thor with an enemy, you need one who could also overshadow SHIELD easily.

So when are SHIELD useful? exactly in the places where we see them in the TV show. in the lower caliber of action in a world that contains superheroes. Doing the daily work of taking care of small threats that any Avenger could dispatch in minutes, because the Avengers are busy with bigger things.

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Lord Snow wrote:

The thing with the super hero genre is, that the main characters are so insanely powerful that it doesn't matter how well trained the super-spies of SHIELD are. They are always going to remain in the shadows when the like of Thor or Iron Man are doing their business - and to challenge Thor with an enemy, you need one who could also overshadow SHIELD easily.

So when are SHIELD useful? exactly in the places where we see them in the TV show. in the lower caliber of action in a world that contains superheroes. Doing the daily work of taking care of small threats that any Avenger could dispatch in minutes, because the Avengers are busy with bigger things.

Also dealing with the fallout and left over details that are rarely covered in a movie. (In other words, the "clean up" AoS was shown doing in the wake of Thor: The Dark World.)

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Lord Fyre wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:

The thing with the super hero genre is, that the main characters are so insanely powerful that it doesn't matter how well trained the super-spies of SHIELD are. They are always going to remain in the shadows when the like of Thor or Iron Man are doing their business - and to challenge Thor with an enemy, you need one who could also overshadow SHIELD easily.

So when are SHIELD useful? exactly in the places where we see them in the TV show. in the lower caliber of action in a world that contains superheroes. Doing the daily work of taking care of small threats that any Avenger could dispatch in minutes, because the Avengers are busy with bigger things.

Also dealing with the fallout and left over details that are rarely covered in a movie. (In other words, the "clean up" AoS was shown doing in the wake of Thor: The Dark World.)

that is a good way to tie in Agents of Shield to the movies, yes.


Damn...after a series of lackluster season premieres of other shows, AoS really knocked it out of the park

Spoiler-filled Highlights

spoiler:

Looks like we get a lot of big bads this season..and they are starting off with a major villain (Absorbing Man), which is excellent

Oh god poor Fitz. That was the saddest thing ever. And the end scene, when we found out Simmons left him and all we were seeing were his hallucinations? way to make it even worse

I was legitimately shocked that they killed off Lucy Lawless in the first episode (especially after the . Will be curious the direction they take her surviving partner. I could see him as an ally to Coulson or yet another person gunning for him.

Grant was suitably creepy, not to mention a bit crazy. Trying to kill yourself by running into a wall. Yeah...

May and Skye didn't have a whole lot to do, so I hope they get more time next episode.

Also...what was in that box? and what is with the new artifact? part of me wonders if it is the Life Gem (and possibly explaining how the one Hydra agent is still alive from the prologue), but I am not sure they would introduce an infinity stone outside of a movie.

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MMCJawa wrote:

Damn...after a series of lackluster season premieres of other shows, AoS really knocked it out of the park

Spoiler-filled Highlights
** spoiler omitted **

Agreed. It was a good season opener, especially

Spoiler:
Fitz. Very sad.

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I liked it a lot, though I could have used a bit more funny to balance out the darkness.

Spoiler:

I do find it funny you apparently can't swing a cat in the Marvel Universe and not hit an immortal Nazi.

Liked that they're setting up the Agent Carter series right off the bat. Also good to see her and the Howling Commandos again.

Absorbing Man was really well done and sufficiently scary for the non-powered agents to deal with.

Poor Fitz. Yeesh. Really hoping Simmons is off working on a way to help him.

Definitely like villainous/crazy Ward than generic hero with a troubled past Ward. And I love that Skye is still completely horrified by him. (I really, really, really hope they don't redeem him, or if they do, Skye stays well away from him.)

Though I really hate Skye's new hairstyle. :P


spoiler:

Yeah, it looks like even if Ward becomes an ally, he is going to be motivated for creepy Skye reasons, not for making amends


I agree, I miss Skye's old hair style.

spoilers:

Wow, that is really sad about Fitz.

I really doubt they have killed off Lucy Lawless's character though who or what she will become is another matter.

Anyone else notice the artifact briefly showed the same symbols that Coulson was drawing.

I hope they do not redeem Ward or if they do that he dies doing it.


Don't have PVR so can't rewind, but can someone else confirm

whats in the box?:
Was that the dead alien from the safe house in the box that Carter quickly closed in the opening scene?

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