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It seems to me they've set up the second season for themes of identity.

*Colson's dealing with the influence of the drug/Supreme intelligence

*Fitz recovering from brain damage. How much of him is still him if he's normal intelligence?

*Skye dealing with her inhuman/kree/badoon heritage?

*Hopefully Ward trying to find who Ward is without a "Garret and" in front of his name.

Heck, depending on Fitz's state, there are some potential parallels between him and Ward if they've both lost key parts of themselves.

Edit: and Fury confirming that T.A.H.I.T.I. did save an Avenger was a moment of heartwarming by itself.

Edit 2: what if the doodle is a circuit diagram for a certain maleveloent A.I.?

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Edit 2 - too much. Not gonna happen. Probably Stark plus old Pym, since Michael Douglas will be playing old Ant-man in the Ant-man movie.


Totally awesome episode! THIS is why I love the marvel cinematic universe.

BUT Coulson was normal till he saw that etching... so we don't know yet if Skye will start with the patterns as well. Too early. Is she an inhuman? We can't know yet, but they have a good way of keeping us off balance and guessing.

As for the diagram it looks like a flow chart from my computer programming classes. Almost exactly like a flow chart. Maybe that is why the drug recipients go crazy they have some alien computer program running in their heads.

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Matt,

Badoon?


There was definitely a lot to like in this episode.

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I liked the Ward vs May fight. I liked the Fitz and Simmons scene. I liked how the Clairvoyant identity ended up as somewhat ironic foreshadowing for Garrett. I liked Coulson and Fury dealing with Garrett's new craziness, and I liked the subverting of his 'not-really-dead' scene at the end. I liked the rescue of Mike Peterson's son as 'the Ace in the Hole'.

My main disappointment was that they spent the season setting up the threat of Hydra and Cybertek, and suddenly the bad guys are just... painfully inept. They are advertising the creation of these teams of super-soldiers... who don't get to use any weaponry or armor, and who have gone from being big individual threats early in the season, to squads of mooks that are trivial to deal with.

We also discover that the entire structure of the organization is apparently built on the flimsiest of foundations. We've got an army of super-soldiers who are being controlled by their lethal eye-implants. And apparently many of the handlers controlling them are, in turn, being forced to do so via threats to their loved ones - up to and including the guy running the program itself! Like, do handlers really require such a specific skill set that you have to blackmail people into the position? Is having your entire agency built on such threats really the most stable control structure?

Especially when they apparently don't bother even leaving guards to watch those oh-so-valuable hostages. Or maybe the guards were the super-soldiers and they got diverted away during the attack? But why would you use the super-soldiers to guard the hostages when the soldiers are being controlled by the people who are threatened by the hostages?

Anyway, rant over. I just like seeing a win that feels earned, and they didn't really pull that off here.

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Matt,

Badoon?

Alien race that conquered Earth in the original Guardians of the Galaxy comic. I think they showed up in a recent Captain Marvel book. Just figured I'd toss them out there. :-)

Maybe we'll see a badoon platoon on the moon.


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Chris Mortika wrote:

Matt,

Badoon?

Alien race that conquered Earth in the original Guardians of the Galaxy comic. I think they showed up in a recent Captain Marvel book. Just figured I'd toss them out there. :-)

Maybe we'll see a badoon platoon on the moon.

{sings (badly):}

"Giant steps are what you take
Badoon platoon on the moon
I hope my legs don't break
Badoon platoon on the moon..."


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skye's daddy:

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Maximus The Mad, brother to Black Bolt (leader of the Inhumans)

OR

Mr Hyde

OR

The Red Skull

OR

The Flayed Man (Weapon XIII)

my guess would be MAximus the Mad, tie in with the inhumans, the Terrigan mist, and would explain all of Raina's babbling.

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About LMDs: hmmm... not sure... maybe Eric Koenig didn't die... I saw some blood dripping but no one checked his pulse right? Maybe the name change is intentional to keep his cover? (if he was LMD he might have kicked Ward's ass... or maybe he IS an LMD and just lied down and feigned death...)


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I'm thinking Eric Koenig is a clone of one of the Howling Commandos.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Eric_Koenig_(Earth-616)

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LazarX wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Fitzsimmons were not dropped from a very high height, and its possible that the container they are in will float at least for a little bit. Also Fitz has a tracker, which is how I assume Team Coulson will track them and rescue them.
IF that canister is hitting the water at 200 mph, survival is rather dubious.
They weren't going that fast, though. Not even close to it. Garrett had just finished explicitly giving orders to remain in "Harrier mode" until they got clear, so they were flying (very) low and (very) slow.

Harrier mode is with your turbos pointing vertical or damm near so. The plane was in normal forward flight which means it's going at least 160 mph or so. With out any safety cushion inside, when you're hitting like that, water doesn't make much of a difference.

Even if Fitz and Simmons are still alive. (I still believe that you can kill them off now that Skye is coming into her own), Ward has been killing people left and right who don't fall into "they deserve to die" category. There should be no free redemptive pass for him.

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Ward will be handwaived as a victim of Garrett's insane child-soldier indoctrination. I think he's here to stay... Now that Deathlok is a good guy, I'm thinking they'll send those two on missions, with Deathlok keeping tabs on Ward and giving him a "nudge" if nudging is required... ;)

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Chris Mortika wrote:

Matt,

Badoon?

Matthew Morris wrote:
Alien race that conquered Earth in the original Guardians of the Galaxy comic.

Yes, I remember. Badoon have physical features that Skye has not exhibited.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
About LMDs: hmmm... not sure... maybe Eric Koenig didn't die... I saw some blood dripping but no one checked his pulse right? Maybe the name change is intentional to keep his cover? (if he was LMD he might have kicked Ward's ass... or maybe he IS an LMD and just lied down and feigned death...)

Seems really weird for the guy to show up alive and claim to be his own twin brother. Why lie? Besides, did you listen to "Billy's" introduction? It was the same as Eric Koenig's at the other hidden base, like they're the same person only "Billy" has no memory of ever meeting Coulson's group.

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Aranna wrote:

Totally awesome episode! THIS is why I love the marvel cinematic universe.

BUT Coulson was normal till he saw that etching... so we don't know yet if Skye will start with the patterns as well. Too early. Is she an inhuman? We can't know yet, but they have a good way of keeping us off balance and guessing.

As for the diagram it looks like a flow chart from my computer programming classes. Almost exactly like a flow chart. Maybe that is why the drug recipients go crazy they have some alien computer program running in their heads.

Oh yeah...total flowchart. Some of it has parallel computing operations (three circles together).

Love to see it when sky is done writing it up for him. The one Garrett was doing looked more like a starchart though it might have just been a lack of understanding at what he was perceiving.

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As to Garrett, remember the kree alien used to create the drug was regenerating from near total damage he could yet regenerate from a few cells.

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yellowdingo wrote:
As to Garrett, remember the kree alien used to create the drug was regenerating from near total damage he could yet regenerate from a few cells.

Unlikely, Bill Paxton is unlikely to return to the series.

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he dead... he dead he is


yellowdingo wrote:
The blue guy was kree. Despite the comic kree were 'white guys from other planets' before the big head went all nasty and mutated them with the omniwave bomb in an evil conspiracy in operation: galactic storm.

Not sure what you mean by "despite the comic kree were 'white guys from other planets'. The kree have always been blue and pink skinned- the pink ("white") kree were a racial minority that were viewed as lesser than the blue skinned kree.

The Supreme Intelligence didn't much care, and used that conflict where and whenever it suited its interests. Ultimately, the SI decided that it needed to jumpstart the evolutionary dead-end of the kree which led to Galactic Storm, as you note (though it was a Nega-Bomb, not an omni-wave bomb (the Omni-Wave projector is a different device entirely).

Not being content to let evolution run its course now that they were "kickstarted", the SI stole the Forever Crystal from Immortus in Limbo and fast-forwarded generations of evolution, until the kree became a specialized sort of shapeshifting race. They adopted the guise of "the ruul" in an attempt to manipulate the alien races of multitudes of other galaxies into locking the Earth and its meddling heroes away as a cosmic penal colony. Their ruse was discovered, and they went back to calling themselves the kree after regaining some small bit of their devastated empire.

Much of that was sort of retconned when Genis-Vell- clone of Captain Marvel and the Titanian Eternal Elysius- killed Eternity, the cosmic embodiment of all, and then killed its "son" Entropy, creating a new big bang that recreated the universe (mostly) the same.

(A bit convoluted, but personally I think the kree work better in their original guise than they did as- essentially- another version of the shapeshifting skrulls. Not to mention the sheer logistical improbability of their being able to suddenly appear on the cosmic radar in Maximum Security and bamboozle the representatives of hundreds- if not thousands- of alien species, many of whom are known to be telepathic. Maximum Security was a fun concept, but didn't have the best execution and is not one of Busiek and Stern's best ideas. I like to think it was editorial influence that caused it to be so, but who knows.)

In any event, the kree are- last I checked (and it's been a while since I've read comics)- back to being blue and pink again.

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
The blue guy was kree. Despite the comic kree were 'white guys from other planets' before the big head went all nasty and mutated them with the omniwave bomb in an evil conspiracy in operation: galactic storm.

Not sure what you mean by "despite the comic kree were 'white guys from other planets'. The kree have always been blue and pink skinned- the pink ("white") kree were a racial minority that were viewed as lesser than the blue skinned kree.

The Supreme Intelligence didn't much care, and used that conflict where and whenever it suited its interests. Ultimately, the SI decided that it needed to jumpstart the evolutionary dead-end of the kree which led to Galactic Storm, as you note (though it was a Nega-Bomb, not an omni-wave bomb (the Omni-Wave projector is a different device entirely).

Not being content to let evolution run its course now that they were "kickstarted", the SI stole the Forever Crystal from Immortus in Limbo and fast-forwarded generations of evolution, until the kree became a specialized sort of shapeshifting race. They adopted the guise of "the ruul" in an attempt to manipulate the alien races of multitudes of other galaxies into locking the Earth and its meddling heroes away as a cosmic penal colony. Their ruse was discovered, and they went back to calling themselves the kree after regaining some small bit of their devastated empire.

Much of that was sort of retconned when Genis-Vell- clone of Captain Marvel and the Titanian Eternal Elysius- killed Eternity, the cosmic embodiment of all, and then killed its "son" Entropy, creating a new big bang that recreated the universe (mostly) the same.

(A bit convoluted, but personally I think the kree work better in their original guise than they did as- essentially- another version of the shapeshifting skrulls. Not to mention the sheer logistical improbability of their being able to suddenly appear on the cosmic radar in Maximum Security and bamboozle the representatives of hundreds- if not thousands-...

That whole blue skinned kree is new I take it because kree is 'white' in the 80s. Thats right, I said it. I'm a refugee from the 80's.

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Chris Mortika wrote:
Comics Alliance has a review up.

It's a good review. One of the points in it (needs to dig deeper into Marvel's bag of weirdness)...is fine but I think the show needs to stage it out nice and slowly. Give time for the weird to sink into new fans.

I mean, if I pulled out Dark Hawk on them. Well, damn there would be a while to understand the body swaping going on.

I notice their review about ep1. Talks about skye's abduction and they hope it 'doesnt become her thing...'

Setting aside Shield abducting Skye from her monster parents, ward's abduction of Skye cause he likes her, garrette's order to fetch her cause he realizes she has a connection to the bigger universe, and the likelyhood Skye will be abducted repeatedly by various factions on account of her value as a thing...is a certainty for season 2.

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The episode was good, the "I found it" scene was hilarious... however, I think several story lines from the season were resolved too quickly and without much conflict. The final fight against Garret was basically comic relief, Coulson didn't even seem really upset at Fury, and the only emotional response we got from Ward for loosing was a stony expression. In general, I think the episode might have been a bit too lighthearted for a last one in the season, for my taste.

When will season 2 start?

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Lord Snow wrote:

The episode was good, the "I found it" scene was hilarious... however, I think several story lines from the season were resolved too quickly and without much conflict. The final fight against Garret was basically comic relief, Coulson didn't even seem really upset at Fury, and the only emotional response we got from Ward for loosing was a stony expression. In general, I think the episode might have been a bit too lighthearted for a last one in the season, for my taste.

When will season 2 start?

Shooting? 6 months giving good script and prep time? Broadcast? Next march?

Ward should have slipped away with control of hydra assets...making him the big bad villain. Hilarity his name is ward (garrett's ward, ward of the state, winkwink). So who is he really?

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Matthew Koelbl wrote:
My main disappointment was that they spent the season setting up the threat of Hydra and Cybertek, and suddenly the bad guys are just... painfully inept. They are advertising the creation of these teams of super-soldiers... who don't get to use any weaponry or armor, and who have gone from being big individual threats early in the season, to squads of mooks that are trivial to deal with.

I agree. Having the whole team face-off against one Super Soldier would have been better. It would still be a small "diminishing" of their threat; but it would be reasonable as it would show that the heroes become better (much like the PCs gaining levels in Pathfinder).

Matthew Koelbl wrote:
We also discover that the entire structure of the organization is apparently built on the flimsiest of foundations. We've got an army of super-soldiers who are being controlled by their lethal eye-implants. And apparently many of the handlers controlling them are, in turn, being forced to do so via threats to their loved ones - up to and including the guy running the program itself! Like, do handlers really require such a specific skill set that you have to blackmail people into the position? Is having your entire agency built on such threats really the most stable control structure?

Yes. Using HYDRA agents for the technicians would have lead to a cooler fight scene. To balance it, reduce the number of remaining Super-soldiers (hence less controllers).

This would also explain the scarcity of these human weapons in the later episodes, because it implies that Garrett/Centapede could not easily replace them (... which is why they would want government funding).

yellowdingo wrote:
Ward should have slipped away with control of hydra assets...making him the big bad villain.

That would have been a MUCH more interesting use of the Grant Ward character for season two.

It would have also fit in better with Ward's realization that Garrett has gone insane - Ward would replace his devotion to Garrett by becoming a HYDRA true believer.

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Lord Snow wrote:

The episode was good, the "I found it" scene was hilarious... however, I think several story lines from the season were resolved too quickly and without much conflict. The final fight against Garret was basically comic relief, Coulson didn't even seem really upset at Fury, and the only emotional response we got from Ward for loosing was a stony expression. In general, I think the episode might have been a bit too lighthearted for a last one in the season, for my taste.

When will season 2 start?

That's about the only emotional response I would ever expect out of Ward.

As far as wrapping up the story arcs quickly, when they filmed that episode, i doubt they knew whether or not the show would be renewed, so they probably wanted to wrap up as much as they could so they wouldn't end the series on some huge cliffhanger.

Season 2 should start in the US in September.


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Weadon has always tried to wrap things up nicely in a Season Finale. Each Season of Buffy was always done in a way that it could have been it's last.

I've always actually appreciated that, End Season Cliffhangers bug the crap out of me.

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Greylurker wrote:

Weadon has always tried to wrap things up nicely in a Season Finale. Each Season of Buffy was always done in a way that it could have been it's last.

I've always actually appreciated that, End Season Cliffhangers bug the crap out of me.

It still felt a little rushed.

(Also, note my post above on how the story could have been tighter.)


yellowdingo wrote:
That whole blue skinned kree is new I take it because kree is 'white' in the 80s. Thats right, I said it. I'm a refugee from the 80's.

Yeahbutno.

Blue-skinned kree have been around since at least the 70s. I'm not sure exactly where the first blue-skinned kree appeared (the very first kree was Ronan, traditionally a blue-skinned kree, in 1967 in FF #65, but he was actually colored pink in that I believe, something later attributed to a disguise IIRC). I do know that there were blue-skinned kree, including Ronan and Dr. Minerva, appearing in the first Captain Marvel series in the 70s.

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Lord Fyre wrote:
Greylurker wrote:

Weadon has always tried to wrap things up nicely in a Season Finale. Each Season of Buffy was always done in a way that it could have been it's last.

I've always actually appreciated that, End Season Cliffhangers bug the crap out of me.

It still felt a little rushed.

(Also, note my post above on how the story could have been tighter.)

Agreed. I liked it, thought it was an okay episode...but not quite up to the standards of the rest of the post-Hydra-reveal episodes.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Greylurker wrote:

Weadon has always tried to wrap things up nicely in a Season Finale. Each Season of Buffy was always done in a way that it could have been it's last.

I've always actually appreciated that, End Season Cliffhangers bug the crap out of me.

It still felt a little rushed.

(Also, note my post above on how the story could have been tighter.)
Agreed. I liked it, thought it was an okay episode...but not quite up to the standards of the rest of the post-Hydra-reveal episodes.

I respectfully disagree with you gents: I found this episode marvelous (pun intended) :)


Wow some of you guys have really high standards for a TV show.
Even most movies wouldn't stand up to that level of scrutiny.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
About LMDs: hmmm... not sure... maybe Eric Koenig didn't die... I saw some blood dripping but no one checked his pulse right? Maybe the name change is intentional to keep his cover? (if he was LMD he might have kicked Ward's ass... or maybe he IS an LMD and just lied down and feigned death...)
Seems really weird for the guy to show up alive and claim to be his own twin brother. Why lie? Besides, did you listen to "Billy's" introduction? It was the same as Eric Koenig's at the other hidden base, like they're the same person only "Billy" has no memory of ever meeting Coulson's group.

Eric did mention during the scene in one of the earlier episodes where he was interrogating the team in the lie-detector chair that he had a brother.

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Shadowborn wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
About LMDs: hmmm... not sure... maybe Eric Koenig didn't die... I saw some blood dripping but no one checked his pulse right? Maybe the name change is intentional to keep his cover? (if he was LMD he might have kicked Ward's ass... or maybe he IS an LMD and just lied down and feigned death...)
Seems really weird for the guy to show up alive and claim to be his own twin brother. Why lie? Besides, did you listen to "Billy's" introduction? It was the same as Eric Koenig's at the other hidden base, like they're the same person only "Billy" has no memory of ever meeting Coulson's group.
Eric did mention during the scene in one of the earlier episodes where he was interrogating the team in the lie-detector chair that he had a brother.

He told Coulson, shortly after meeting him, that he'd been wracking up lots of hours playing Call of Duty (or something) with his brother.

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What was Colson writing on the wall?

My theory is that it is a diagram of the MCU with all comic, television, and movie tie ins.


Lord Fyre wrote:

What was Colson writing on the wall?

My theory is that it is a diagram of the MCU with all comic, television, and movie tie ins.

Here's my theory. :D


Skeld wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
About LMDs: hmmm... not sure... maybe Eric Koenig didn't die... I saw some blood dripping but no one checked his pulse right? Maybe the name change is intentional to keep his cover? (if he was LMD he might have kicked Ward's ass... or maybe he IS an LMD and just lied down and feigned death...)
Seems really weird for the guy to show up alive and claim to be his own twin brother. Why lie? Besides, did you listen to "Billy's" introduction? It was the same as Eric Koenig's at the other hidden base, like they're the same person only "Billy" has no memory of ever meeting Coulson's group.
Eric did mention during the scene in one of the earlier episodes where he was interrogating the team in the lie-detector chair that he had a brother.
He told Coulson, shortly after meeting him, that he'd been wracking up lots of hours playing Call of Duty (or something) with his brother.

Which seems not only to further indicate that he has a brother, but presumably that his brother is also in SHIELD and at a similar level of security and responsibility; I can't imagine Eric having been allowed any kind of communications, electronic or otherwise, with him under any other circumstances.

:)

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:

What was Colson writing on the wall?

My theory is that it is a diagram of the MCU with all comic, television, and movie tie ins.

Here's my theory. :D

That fits.

Except: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is no in the diagram.


Well, just IMHO the effects of the serum seem different on each individual. Coulson's drawing was more -complete- and he was much calmer doing it. Still driven, but not Garrett's level of crazy.

Perhaps the -effect- is related to personality as well?

Coulson is a team player and a strong believer in heroes and protection; Garrett seems to have always been a selfish, power-hungry fill-in-your-favorite-description.

The key will be how it affects Skye.


Spiral_Ninja wrote:

Well, just IMHO the effects of the serum seem different on each individual. Coulson's drawing was more -complete- and he was much calmer doing it. Still driven, but not Garrett's level of crazy.

Perhaps the -effect- is related to personality as well?

Coulson is a team player and a strong believer in heroes and protection; Garrett seems to have always been a selfish, power-hungry fill-in-your-favorite-description.

The key will be how it affects Skye.

Each person given the drug (or variant of it) were all conditionally different as well.

Garrett has Deathlok/Centipede/Possibly Extremis enhancements.
Coulson was dead and had an entire series of treatments as part of his being given the drug.
Sky was given only the drug and is 084; so we don't know what that means.
I wouldn't count on "consistency" in the effects.
In fact, I doubt we'll ever see Skye react in that same manner and start drawing those diagrams. Though I wouldn't be surprised if she were to decipher it.

As for all the "blue guy IS Kree" claims... theories are all we have at this point. What we know about the blue guy is that he was blue. And was the source for the drug.
That's really ALL we know about it. Not how he got there. Not who cut him in half. Not if he is, in fact, a "guy." Not if he is even alive or dead (a drug coming from him regenerates flesh after all.)
Theorize all you want, but the hard certainty of saying anything "IS," is just impossible given the facts we have on hand.


SeeDarkly_X wrote:

As for all the "blue guy IS Kree" claims... theories are all we have at this point. What we know about the blue guy is that he was blue. And was the source for the drug.

That's really ALL we know about it. Not how he got there. Not who cut him in half. Not if he is, in fact, a "guy." Not if he is even alive or dead (a drug coming from him regenerates flesh after all.)
Theorize all you want, but the hard certainty of saying anything "IS," is just impossible given the facts we have on hand.

Agreed.

In fact they kind of went out of their way to say 'Oh yeah... kree are an option, but they were never on earth before...' in the Sif episode.

It COULD be that was just a red herring to throw off the fans and then have it actually BE Kree.... but that feels a bit lame for this show.

A more realistic approach would have been to have asked nothing and have it not even mentioned. Saying it can't be one, and then being one just feels like being lied to. How are the fans supposed to follow the mystery when the clues are being lied about...

Just seems weird.

Granted the idea of supreme intelligence DOES make sense... but I'm not ready to take it for granted yet.

Besides... did Kree regenerate? I never liked them much, but I really don't remember that being in their portfolio.

If people want to bring in 'inhumans' into the mix.... that may be a more likely concept and just have season 2 revolve around that. GOTG is pretty fringe. They don't HAVE to tie SHIELD in with that... SHIELD won't be in the movie, neither will earth... theres no good tie in here.


The drug having obscene side effects would seem to be a valid reason for not using it, which would seem to negate any need for "We're not using it because sword won't let us"

Is anyone going to bring up the fact that Colsons crusaders went and murderhobo'd two shield guards doing their job (and probably on colsons orders at that) just to save one shield agent?


If the Guesthouse was sooo secret that it was even off SHIELD's grid maybe the Asgardians never knew a Kree had come to earth.

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GOTG being Fringe: the end of Avengers has Thanos grinning... space monkeys WILL have a long standing presence in the MCU methinks....


Of course, IF they are using the Inhumans, there is the small detail that the Inhumans ARE Kree, sort of: Inhumans

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phantom1592 wrote:

Besides... did Kree regenerate?

If people want to bring in 'inhumans' into the mix.... that may be a more likely concept and just have season 2 revolve around that. GOTG is pretty fringe. They don't HAVE to tie SHIELD in with that... SHIELD won't be in the movie, neither will earth... theres no good tie in here.

Marvel Wikia essentially notes only that the Kree are typically Twice as strong, durable, etc.. as a human with few other additional benefits. Regeneration has never been a cited as part of their racial biology.

That said, there are examples of human/Kree hybrids that are significantly more than either race is naturally. (Ultragirl springs to mind.)

Inhumans do have a couple of definitive traits that lend them some credibility as the potential "source."
For one thing, once they've undergone terrigenesis they often appear "monstrous" but are otherwise human looking before hand. So since Skye appears human but may have "monsters" for parents... this tracks.
For another, each person that undergoes terrigenesis gains a power set unique from any other. The blue man could be THAT unique and the effects of that drug could be specific only to what that subject could produce. Unless the drug is some kind of blood-derivative of the terrigen mists with only a specific capability for regeneration/resuscitation and not a full mutagenic effect.
It tracks to a point... but it's not a solid lead yet.

Another point of consideration, though admittedly "meta," is that Marvel just spent a lot of time recently with an event that got reader's attention with a story revolving around Thanos and ending with Terrigen Mists empowering many common Earthfolk, leading to a new Inhumans title and the injection of new "inhumans" across the scope of several other titles (New Warriors & Ms. Marvel.) It's not beyond them to have played that out for the sake of raising the profile of those characters and concepts for broader recognition if they have plans to introduce them into the MCU. They have done the same with GotG in various ways (and injected them into 2 or 3 different cartoons as well.)

And as far as GOTG... well I'm a little disappointed my theory that Skye might be Heather Douglas is all but totally proven wrong with the revelation of her dad at the end of the last episode. I knew it was never all that likely, but if Drax HAD been her daddy, that would have made a great tie-in to the movie. But I'm sure there will be some other creative way they'll tie together.

It suddenly dawned on me... the glowing tats on the blue man seem similar to the "design" both Garrett and Coulson have drawn out. I'm sure that's no coincidence. Still have no idea what it means though.
(Reminds me of that 80's film Explorers, where three kids have a dream that teach them how to build a circuit board that lets them create force fields they can fly in to travel into space.)


In re: Skye and her "monstrous" parents, and her connection with Raina's mysterious employer.

There has been a lot of speculation in the past that she may be Jessica Drew (aka, Spider-Woman). In the comics, Jessica was raised by her father on Wundagore Mountain. Her father was the partner of a brilliant geneticist, Herbert Edgar Wyndham- aka, the High Evolutionary.

The High Evolutionary, as one might naturally assume, was obsessed with evolution of species (Raina seems to be enthralled by this concept), and his servitors were evolved animals known as the New-Men; and bipedal animals would naturally appear monstrous to normal people.

So, this might all be further support of the Jessica Drew theory.

The Exchange

BigNorseWolf wrote:


Is anyone going to bring up the fact that Colsons crusaders went and murderhobo'd two shield guards doing their job (and probably on colsons orders at that) just to save one shield agent?

It was also to find out some more about the Colson resurrection mystery.

Shadow Lodge

I was thinking that the blue guy might be the remains of the Red Skull. I think the Tessaract is actually the Mind Infinity Gem, and the Red Skull besically entered the Gem. As a supersoldier, his blood does have some regenerative properties, and the syrum does amplify a persons existing attrtibutes, which might explain the touch of insanity. Combined with the Tessaracts lingering influence.

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