I'll have everyone know, I work very hard to cultivate an air of stabby competence, so the village burned down, at least It got rid of the Boggard tribe bothering them... I think, at least a few people survived to pay me :-)
| 4 people marked this as a favorite. |
I don't like kitsune. I just don't. Nothing you can say or do will change my mind about this.
A sorcerer's magic comes from within. That's not "harnessing the outside without a source". It's literally in their blood.
I digress. I still don't like psionics conceptually. You can't make me like it.
And bards are still silly. Versatile, useful, even powerful at times, but silly conceptually. Maybe it's because I'm not a musician, but for all its entertainment value, I've never subscribed to the "magic in the music" school of thinking. You rarely, if ever, see that with other forms of art, even though they can be just as beautiful, nuanced, complicated, and impactful as music.
A sorcerer's magic comes from within. That's not "harnessing the outside without a source". It's literally in their blood.
For sorcerers, magic comes more-or-less naturally -- a lot like mutant powers come to mutants. For psions, magic is a discipline.* Wilders are the Wheel of Time channelers of D&D.
Anyhow, I'm not crazy about the sci-fi terminology either, but I'm happy to have psionic characters in my games. Precisely because I can simply treat psionics as magic by another name, much like 137ben. I'm actually kinda surprised that nobody -- pro or fan -- has ever gone through the spell chapter and converted each one to a psionic spell. Quite a few of them have already been done officially. (Example: psionic disintegrate.)
*Wild talents throw a wrench into the discipline theme, I guess, but I don't like those and pretend they don't exist.
...Oh right, this thread is about shunning. I SHUN thee, GTG!
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Gotta disagree on Bards,
Put your favorite band on your IPod or whatever, then listen to it on a walk, bet it goes quicker and you feel less tired afterwards.
Now go put on Ace of Base or Miley Cyrus... makes you want to throw up doesn't it? :-)
I think I've proven my point :-)
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I don't like kitsune. I just don't. Nothing you can say or do will change my mind about this.
I'm right there with ya. And Tengu.
lets just have it all be and be done with this pointless segregation equality for all!!!
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I hate that the dragon disciple dose not work the way it should with the blood rager...
Weirdly enough I like multifaceted variant magics - not to the point of the 'power sources' methodology in 4e, but I appreciate the idea...which is why I have no problems having divine and arcane magic being different band ranges in a thaumatalogical spectrum, like color in relation to light, while psionics might fit more as a sort of more thermal or electromagnetic analog, emitting from a source as an internal reaction broadcast in a way that may not interact with all things in a similar manner as magic much like how magnetism may not necessarily interact with all things due to non-ferrous nature.
Tangent - I love me some monster races, particularly those who can shape change without taking class levels, and then giving levels in, say, sorcerer or druid.
I blame Dora from Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder.
Even though, as has been stated every time you bring up this particular tack, not a single note of music is required in any way whatsoever to do a bard?I digress. I still don't like psionics conceptually. You can't make me like it.
you know what sold psionics for me it was the soul knife, when I read that all I could see was Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver fantastic game and that's what made me love psionics ^_^
Even though, as has been stated every time you bring up this particular tack, not a single note of music is required in any way whatsoever to do a bard?A sorcerer's magic comes from within. That's not "harnessing the outside without a source". It's literally in their blood.
I digress. I still don't like psionics conceptually. You can't make me like it.
And bards are still silly. Versatile, useful, even powerful at times, but silly conceptually. Maybe it's because I'm not a musician, but for all its entertainment value, I've never subscribed to the "magic in the music" school of thinking. You rarely, if ever, see that with other forms of art, even though they can be just as beautiful, nuanced, complicated, and impactful as music.
Bardic magic is the magic of artistry, but I think the implementation by means of communication fit with the original intent. Then again, that's why I like kits that focus on variations of artistic expression, and why I would totally make Bardic magic be a blend of actual spells and a special Bardic variation on the Unchained skill abilities (though not to the extent of what rogues should do, though I would be willing to make that effect more of a 'hat' for the Mesmerist class).
Can you elaborate here? I'm really trying to rack my brain over the division between the two in terms of story, and how a Psion is any different from a Sorcerer in that regard.Kthulu has it exactly right.
From a mechanical standpoint, it might not make a big difference, but from a thematic standpoint the difference is huge. The types of stories that you would tell with magic are very different than the ones you would tell with psionics -- and it's more than just fantasy vs sf.
That's why I tend to only have one or the other in my worlds, but not both.
this is what im saying and I quote my self ^_^
lets just have it all be and be done with this pointless segregation equality for all!!!
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
And bards are still silly. Versatile, useful, even powerful at times, but silly conceptually. Maybe it's because I'm not a musician, but for all its entertainment value, I've never subscribed to the "magic in the music" school of thinking. You rarely, if ever, see that with other forms of art, even though they can be just as beautiful, nuanced, complicated, and impactful as music.
It doesnt have to be music. Henry the V's St Crispins day's speech is an example of Oratory. It can be dance. It can even be ime, but then The Patrician would have you thrown in the scorpion pits, so.....
Bards are part of Celtic and Irish myth and legend, they inspired with Song, oratory and yes, even Satire.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I don't like kitsune. I just don't. Nothing you can say or do will change my mind about this.I'm right there with ya. And Tengu.
Now you're just ravin' dude, and are gonna have to eat crow.
I allow my players to use any race/class/archetype combo that's on d20pfsrd, regardless of whether it's balanced or not.
| 3 people marked this as a favorite. |
Now you're just ravin' dude, and are gonna have to eat crow.I don't like kitsune. I just don't. Nothing you can say or do will change my mind about this.I'm right there with ya. And Tengu.
AAAHHHHHHH!!! THE PUNZZSS!! THE PUNZZSS!!! They hurts uss!!!
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I love the profusion of animalistic races, partially because if you pair them with Kingmaker you can play Disney's Robin Hood in Pathfinder, which we all know is a cinematic masterpiece :-)
|
Can you elaborate here? I'm really trying to rack my brain over the division between the two in terms of story, and how a Psion is any different from a Sorcerer in that regard.Kthulu has it exactly right.
From a mechanical standpoint, it might not make a big difference, but from a thematic standpoint the difference is huge. The types of stories that you would tell with magic are very different than the ones you would tell with psionics -- and it's more than just fantasy vs sf.
That's why I tend to only have one or the other in my worlds, but not both.
Absolutely.
I'll throw out two of my favorite authors, which I think demonstrate the difference very well.
Sean Stewart has a couple of different books (Ressurection Man, Galveston, The Night Watch) which deal with people with an awakened inborn magical talent dealing with learning how to control it. The important thing here (and what distinguished it from psi) is that the magic itself is still an external (and ultimately more powerful) force. To me this is the clearest thematic depiction of the 3.x Sorcerer.
Joan Vinge's Cat series (Psion, Catspaw. Dreamfall) deals with a psion awakening to his power. Because the power is internal, the thematic conflict is more about self-control and self-acceptance.
Not to say that there isn't a lot of overlap between the two -- you will certainly see elements of each in the other. But ultimately, when people write about magic, they are usually exploring different problems than when they write about psi. They're drawing from different literary traditions. Which isn't to say you can't write about magic using the language of psi or vice versa -- there are always people doing that. But in those cases, the reframing is a large part of the point of the exercise.
And in a lot of ways, when someone says they like the flavor of one over the other, that's really what they mean, even if they can't articulate. They are more interested in exploring one of those landscapes than the other.
Still a lot of vagaries in my explanation, but hopefully that will get you pointed in the direction to see what I'm talking about.
Gotta disagree on Bards,
Put your favorite band on your IPod or whatever, then listen to it on a walk, bet it goes quicker and you feel less tired afterwards.
Now go put on Ace of Base or Miley Cyrus... makes you want to throw up doesn't it? :-)
I think I've proven my point :-)
How... how on earth do you justify ranking Ace of Base all the way down there with Miley Cyrus?!?!?!?
I think I have a mindache.
EDIT for clarity: obviously Ace of Base isn't some standard of Musical Excellence, but it still boggles my mind to see them associated with Miley Cyrus tier.
To be honest I went with the top two off the top of my head, sorry to offend the Ace of Base aficionados, next time I shall only use comparably offensive examples like One Direction and The Goo Goo Dolls :-)
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Great now I gotta make a plumber alias to crack sink jokes...
lets just have it all be and be done with this pointless segregation equality for all!!!Because I like different subgenres. I don't have a problem mixing on occasion, but I don't want everything to be giant piles of kitchen sinks.
well ill just be over here enjoying my equality lol but I get it why sometimes you want plain pizza but ill take the whole restaurant ^_^
Pizza? Someone say pizza?
So a grape jelly, Anchovies squid and chocolate ice cream pizza with peppermint on it?well ill just be over here enjoying my equality lol but I get it why sometimes you want plain pizza but ill take the whole restaurant ^_^lets just have it all be and be done with this pointless segregation equality for all!!!Because I like different subgenres. I don't have a problem mixing on occasion, but I don't want everything to be giant piles of kitchen sinks.
when I said the whole restaurant I meant the $_$
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
I am a Josh Whedon fan.
My appreciation for "Firefly" is only equaled by my enjoyment of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer".
I love "The Lord of the Rings". It has never ceased to move me since I was a 13 years old kid reading it in the forest, near my parents' home, during the summer holidays.
I enjoy Lovecraft. He was a rare thing : a literary genius of despair.
I love Harry Potter, and laugh heartily at those who critize J.K Rowling's writing skills.
I didn't care much for psionics in PF but what I read in this thread made me want to look at it.
I read this thread because some posts allow me to wallow in a smug sense of disgusting superiority.
And I like to shun (*swoons*) !
I confess, it's a lot harder coming up with a plumber alias not based on Super Mario Bros, also I'm fresh out of sink jokes, my only hope is someone else will do so in my stead
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Also I've had this Avatar for 3 weeks or so, which for me might be a new record :-)
I want to run Carrion Crown as Pathfinder Ghostbusters, which is one of the greatest movies ever made :-)
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I shun you for alias instability !
I know what it's like to want to hog the spotlight !
You've got nothing to say but you want to say it loud and clear !
I say ol' chap!
My instability runs deeper then aliases:-D
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Sometimes the very inanity of superfluous posting will make you roll on the floor in the throes of absurd humour !
Indeed.
I say ol' chap!
My instability runs deeper then aliases:-D
MY SHUNNING IS LIKE AN X-SOLAR BURN/BURST !
I'll be honest, I'm not as serious in person as I project on here :-)
Edit: I also edit all the time, sometimes to cover up for my dyslexia, sometimes for no reason at all, more often than not tho I just want to throw a smurf into the mix :-)
You may shun me for what I just unleashed of you want, however you should know I regret nothing!!
Indeed.
I shan't follow you in the deepest recesses of your tortured psyche !
|
|
You're making a perfect case against yourself. Neither of those have anything resembling spell slots of 3e sorcerers. They are both closer to using a pool of energy a la 3.5 psionics.
Actually, I'm not making any mechanical arguments at all. Only thematic/fluff arguments as to why psionics <> magic.
EDIT: In order to make mechanical arguments, I would have to actually have read the mechanics for 3.x Psionics, which I haven't. I can go into great detail about the mechanical details between Magic and Psionics in GURPS, though. :)
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
You're making a perfect case against yourself. Neither of those have anything resembling spell slots of 3e sorcerers. They are both closer to using a pool of energy a la 3.5 psionics.Can you elaborate here? I'm really trying to rack my brain over the division between the two in terms of story, and how a Psion is any different from a Sorcerer in that regard.Kthulu has it exactly right.
From a mechanical standpoint, it might not make a big difference, but from a thematic standpoint the difference is huge. The types of stories that you would tell with magic are very different than the ones you would tell with psionics -- and it's more than just fantasy vs sf.
That's why I tend to only have one or the other in my worlds, but not both.
Absolutely.
I'll throw out two of my favorite authors, which I think demonstrate the difference very well.
Sean Stewart has a couple of different books (Ressurection Man, Galveston, The Night Watch) which deal with people with an awakened inborn magical talent dealing with learning how to control it. The important thing here (and what distinguished it from psi) is that the magic itself is still an external (and ultimately more powerful) force. To me this is the clearest thematic depiction of the 3.x Sorcerer.
** spoiler omitted **
Joan Vinge's Cat series (Psion, Catspaw. Dreamfall) deals with a psion awakening to his power. Because the power is internal, the thematic...
I'm shunning you for entirely missing the point of the poster you're replying to.
Ninja'ed by the legitimate poster. Drat !