Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth (GM Reference)

[Yqatuba]

Something I thought of: If Iomedae can summon people across planar boundaries why can't she just summon her herald back?

[Craftysquidz]

Okay guys, I need help.

My player wants to use Trap the Soul on Baphomet, using the trigger object method. He plans to put it on Blancher, which is certainly something I think Baphomet will want to take after the events of Book 4.

Spell Description:

"Trigger Object: The second method is far more insidious, for it tricks the subject into accepting a trigger object inscribed with the final spell word, automatically placing the creature’s soul in the trap. To use this method, both the creature’s name and the trigger word must be inscribed on the trigger object when the gem is enspelled. A sympathy spell can also be placed on the trigger object. As soon as the subject picks up or accepts the trigger object, its life force is automatically transferred to the gem without the benefit of spell resistance or a save."

There's...there's just no way this works no questions asked on a Demon Lord. Right?

[CorvusMask]

Is it just me or does the Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth's statblock have tons of errors?

Like having incorrect hp, wielding axiomatic weapon as CE, having two weapon rend without improved two weapon fighting

[Kharsus]

Hi.
There is something that I don't understand.
Iomedae's herald (as all gods heralds) is a CR15 being.
He is then captured and corrupted by Baphomet (a demon lord) and becomes a CR20 MR8 being?
How does that makes any sense? Are demon lords more powerfull than gods?

[Kasoh]

Kharsus wrote:

Hi.

There is something that I don't understand.
Iomedae's herald (as all gods heralds) is a CR15 being.
He is then captured and corrupted by Baphomet (a demon lord) and becomes a CR20 MR8 being?
How does that makes any sense? Are demon lords more powerfull than gods?

Baphomet is a CR 27 creature

A god, Iomedae, for example has no CR because deities cannot be beaten through the mechanics of the game. A deity only gets hit by statted creature if they want to be. Baphomet only has an AC of 45.

In the story, its not not impossible for Baphomet to grant a power increase to a creature. The Ivory Labyrinth is his Abyssal Realm. He has more power there than any other place in the universe.

The actual mechanics of it are...Shrug. The Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth is the end boss of the book, so he's supposed to be challenging. Slapping a few templates on a CR 15 probably wouldn't cut it.

If you want to know why Deities aren't going around smiting evil creatures obviously weaker than them, you can reference the story of Desna and Aolar.

[Kharsus]

Kasoh wrote:

Kharsus wrote:

Hi.

There is something that I don't understand.
Iomedae's herald (as all gods heralds) is a CR15 being.
He is then captured and corrupted by Baphomet (a demon lord) and becomes a CR20 MR8 being?
How does that makes any sense? Are demon lords more powerfull than gods?

Baphomet is a CR 27 creature

A god, Iomedae, for example has no CR because deities cannot be beaten through the mechanics of the game. A deity only gets hit by statted creature if they want to be. Baphomet only has an AC of 45.

In the story, its not not impossible for Baphomet to grant a power increase to a creature. The Ivory Labyrinth is his Abyssal Realm. He has more power there than any other place in the universe.

The actual mechanics of it are...Shrug. The Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth is the end boss of the book, so he's supposed to be challenging. Slapping a few templates on a CR 15 probably wouldn't cut it.

If you want to know why Deities aren't going around smiting evil creatures obviously weaker than them, you can reference the story of Desna and Aolar.

Agreed, Im not talking about gods destroying their ennemies around the corner.

I'm talking about gods (overpowered beings) having weak CR15 heralds while a demon lord manages to corrupt and buff one of them tremendously.
If he just corrupted the guy while having him stay CR15 I wouldn't tick.
But in the big picture of the multiverse, I find that nearly all gods heralds to be quite weak. Frankly I see no interest in summoning a herald instead of another CR15 summon, that wouldn't put the god in such a bad situation :D

[Kasoh]

Kharsus wrote:

Agreed, Im not talking about gods destroying their ennemies around the corner.

I'm talking about gods (overpowered beings) having weak CR15 heralds while a demon lord manages to corrupt and buff one of them tremendously.
If he just corrupted the guy while having him stay CR15 I wouldn't tick.
But in the big picture of the multiverse, I find that nearly all gods heralds to be quite weak. Frankly I see no interest in summoning a herald instead of another CR15 summon, that wouldn't put the god in such a bad situation :D

Heralds are CR 15 specifically so that a PC cleric can summon them using Greater Planar Ally. That's why Heralds typically do not have more than 18 HD.