I'll see if I can get the draft copy up at the other sites.
Hurrah! Cool beans!
A couple of questions I had about this:
If I buy my way out of the Black Thorn Knights, can I continue advancing with the Black Seraph discipline? If I breach the contract/code after having bought my way out, do I still lose access? On the more evil side of things, would other souls be valid payment to retrieve mine?
Edit: All of this being contingent on my current character in the game dying.
Leaving the organization cuts off your access to Black Seraph; you are no longer empowered by your infernal contract. With that in mind, you can always snag it through Martial Training.
I would speak to your DM about buying your own soul back but the Knights wouldn't have an issue with it. It's convincing them to be the front men to Hell about it that might be a little tricky.
This might be a bit too late but I just noticed something interesting while leveling up my Stalker. The Stalker does not actually have Diplomacy nor Survival as class skills. You would think a class named Stalker would have some way to be able stalk a target, either in a city or through the wilderness. I'm still loving my Stalker but I just thought it a bit wierd.
I don't really think Diplo is necessary, but Survival yeah. I think Survival was added due to someone's request though.
So I even lose access to what I have already learned? The Black Thorn section made it sound like that only happened if I actually broke the contract. How does my entry into Umbral Blade, which allows you to take Black Seraph maneuvers and stances, play into that then? Would I still know the maneuvers even if I can't use them? Would I gain the use of my Black Seraph maneuvers back after entering Umbral Blade?A couple of questions I had about this:
If I buy my way out of the Black Thorn Knights, can I continue advancing with the Black Seraph discipline? If I breach the contract/code after having bought my way out, do I still lose access? On the more evil side of things, would other souls be valid payment to retrieve mine?
Edit: All of this being contingent on my current character in the game dying.
Leaving the organization cuts off your access to Black Seraph; you are no longer empowered by your infernal contract. With that in mind, you can always snag it through Martial Training.
I would speak to your DM about buying your own soul back but the Knights wouldn't have an issue with it. It's convincing them to be the front men to Hell about it that might be a little tricky.
The use of the maneuvers through the organization can be trained back into your previous school with a week of downtime. If you choose not to train them back, Umbral Blade will restore your access just fine. Leave the org after you have the PrC and you won't lose anything.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, it is my great pleasure to debut Path of War and Dreamscarred Press's first three Class Templates, The Bushi, The Privateer and The Hussar. Class Templates offer modifications to base classes similar to Class Archetypes, but can be applied to multiple classes. In addition to these three Class Templates, we are also debuting another new discipline, Mithril Current. So, without further ado:
Aww man, I love the Class Templates idea. Looks and sounds like Super Genius/Rogue Genius's Archetype Packages idea, which was IMO equally awesome. Will be giving all these a lookover over the coming week.
BTW: The Mithral Current doc requires permission to access.
Looks really awesome! :D
Though, is the Piercing Lance discipline up anywhere yet? The Hussar references it.
Looks really awesome! :D
Though, is the Piercing Lance discipline up anywhere yet? The Hussar references it.
This is the one time I'll answer this question instead of making him do it:
It's not up yet, and is still in the revision process. It might be awhile before it is up, as we're emphasizing Elemental Flux, Riven Hourglass, & Sleeping Goddess first so we can get Mystic & Zealot out the door. Its inclusion is because it contains/will contain several mount-appropriate maneuvers; it kinda needs to be there.
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Piercing Lance has kind of an odd name. Most of the other diciplines don't have the weapon in the name and the adjective doesn't usually describe the weapons use so precisely.
Maybe something like "Steel Lightning" ?
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Piercing Lance has kind of an odd name. Most of the other diciplines don't have the weapon in the name and the adjective doesn't usually describe the weapons use so precisely.
Maybe something like "Steel Lightning" ?
I don't know why, but Steel Lightning immediately made me think of Blue Steel from Zoolander. It's the martial discipline for male models :D
I did a little early review and critique of the Hussar, I think there's some really good stuff there. As a well known fan of mounted combat, I was excited to see this addition hitting the pipeline.
How about Piercing Thunder? Or Stentorian Crash? Or "The Wet Sound of Bursting Meat and Crushed Eggs The Bodies of My Foes Make".
The last one has a nice ring to it but its a bit of a mouthful.
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Meaty Crunch or Wet Crunch sound like fun. But in all seriousness, Thundering Hooves or Lightning Crash could be good names for it.
Ladies and Gentlemen, it is my great pleasure to debut Path of War and Dreamscarred Press's first three Class Templates, The Bushi, The Privateer and The Hussar. Class Templates offer modifications to base classes similar to Class Archetypes, but can be applied to multiple classes. In addition to these three Class Templates, we are also debuting another new discipline, Mithril Current. So, without further ado:
This is really cool Elricaltovilla. I really like the concept of archetypes that can be applied to a multitude of classes. Also, the Mithril Current discipline is fantastic. It looks very fun to play, though some of its maneuvers feel too strong. Some of its maneuvers feel stronger than maneuvers of a similar level in the Scarlet Throne and Primal Fury.
My recommendation would be to lower the amount of D6s granted by any of the maneuvers that similar to Dual Crash.
Well, keep in mind that I'm refocusing the discipline some as well to be a pole and spear discipline that has mounted support, as opposed to a "if you're not on your horse and you have these maneuvers, it sucks to be you."
So naming it after a horse seems presumptuous at best. It's a lancer discipline, for anyone on horseback yes, but also for anyone on foot too.
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I +1 Ssalarn's "Piercing Thunder"
Actually I believe thunder/lightning to be very thematically appropriate for spears/pole arms. If it does get renamed, and I think it should because it breaks the current naming convention set by PoW1, I believe Thunder/Lightning would be awesome to have in the name.
Also the fluff for the Hussar template matches historical Dragoons much more than it matches historical Hussars. Is that a relic from when the template was called Dragoon?
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I +1 Ssalarn's "Piercing Thunder"
Actually I believe thunder/lightning to be very thematically appropriate for spears/pole arms. If it does get renamed, and I think it should because it breaks the current naming convention set by PoW1, I believe Thunder/Lightning would be awesome to have in the name.
Also the fluff for the Hussar template matches historical Dragoons much more than it matches historical Hussars. Is that a relic from when the template was called Dragoon?
I can pretty much guarantee yes. I kind of nudged them to change the name since the Dragoon is already a very popular Fighter archetype.
Will this release be OGL like the Psionics one was? Will my players be able to access it on d20pfsrd?
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It's been a long time coming, but we're proud to finally release the psionic initiator: The Zealot!
The zealot fights for a cause beyond himself, unifying the hearts and minds of his allies and sacrificing everything for his dreams to be realized. The zealot fights using two new disciplines: The imposing art of the Eternal Guardian and the psionic flow of the Sleeping Goddess (adapted with permission from The Demented One from the Giant in the Playground Forums).
It's been a long time coming, but we're proud to finally release the psionic initiator: The Zealot!
The zealot fights for a cause beyond himself, unifying the hearts and minds of his allies and sacrificing everything for his dreams to be realized. The zealot fights using two new disciplines: The imposing art of the Eternal Guardian and the psionic flow of the Sleeping Goddess (adapted with permission from The Demented One from the Giant in the Playground Forums).
The links for the discipline are not working for me. I keep getting a "you need permission" message.
The links for the discipline are not working for me. I keep getting a "you need permission" message.It's been a long time coming, but we're proud to finally release the psionic initiator: The Zealot!
The zealot fights for a cause beyond himself, unifying the hearts and minds of his allies and sacrificing everything for his dreams to be realized. The zealot fights using two new disciplines: The imposing art of the Eternal Guardian and the psionic flow of the Sleeping Goddess (adapted with permission from The Demented One from the Giant in the Playground Forums).
They're also at the bottom of the document if you keep scrolling.
Okay, I've glanced over the main body of the class itself and am working my way through the two new disciplines. I must say, I am very impressed with the work and really want to play a zealot now. I'll give more feedback if I get a chance, but my gaming group is currently in side-story mode, so I don't know when we'll get back to a position where I can play one of these.
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They're also at the bottom of the document if you keep scrolling.The links for the discipline are not working for me. I keep getting a "you need permission" message.It's been a long time coming, but we're proud to finally release the psionic initiator: The Zealot!
The zealot fights for a cause beyond himself, unifying the hearts and minds of his allies and sacrificing everything for his dreams to be realized. The zealot fights using two new disciplines: The imposing art of the Eternal Guardian and the psionic flow of the Sleeping Goddess (adapted with permission from The Demented One from the Giant in the Playground Forums).
Thank you for clearing that up for me. My mistake.
Now that I have looked through the class and its maneuvers, I gotta say that I believe the Zealot will absolutely wreck faces depending on its party composition. Reminds of the Warlord in that it seems to get stronger for every martial in the party.
My favorite part is the use of power points as a limiting factor to the amount of times he can use his more awesome class features. It feels like a good balance.
I am always happy to see more "teamwork" classes, so I think the Zealot may just be my favorite addition to PoW2.
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They're also at the bottom of the document if you keep scrolling.The links for the discipline are not working for me. I keep getting a "you need permission" message.It's been a long time coming, but we're proud to finally release the psionic initiator: The Zealot!
The zealot fights for a cause beyond himself, unifying the hearts and minds of his allies and sacrificing everything for his dreams to be realized. The zealot fights using two new disciplines: The imposing art of the Eternal Guardian and the psionic flow of the Sleeping Goddess (adapted with permission from The Demented One from the Giant in the Playground Forums).
Thank you for clearing that up for me. My mistake.
Now that I have looked through the class and its maneuvers, I gotta say that I believe the Zealot will absolutely wreck faces depending on its party composition. Reminds of the Warlord in that it seems to get stronger for every martial in the party.
My favorite part is the use of power points as a limiting factor to the amount of times he can use his more awesome class features. It feels like a good balance.
I am always happy to see more "teamwork" classes, so I think the Zealot may just be my favorite addition to PoW2.
Well fine then T_T I'll just slink off with Harbinger into the lands of the rejected and sob over the death of our love. OUR LOVE, ADAM!
(But yeah I'm pretty excited about Zealot too).
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There's a Golden Lion maneuver, "Pride Movement". How I didn't notice that ages ago and chuckle at the implied pun I don't know, but I'm doing it now.
Well fine then T_T I'll just slink off with Harbinger into the lands of the rejected and sob over the death of our love. OUR LOVE, ADAM!
(But yeah I'm pretty excited about Zealot too).
I promise the Harbinger will never be rejected! I never stopped loving you! I just have needs. Needs to be a commander instead of a killer. Needs that no Paizo class can fulfill in any meaningful way.
So, if there is stuff for PoW2, does that mean it's safe to buy PoW 1 now?
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Will this release be OGL like the Psionics one was? Will my players be able to access it on d20pfsrd?
To my knowledge, there are three main things that are slowing Path of War coming to the PFSRD:
1. The book isn't actually out yet! When you purchase the book, it's downloaded as 4 separate pdfs. The content is done, it just hasn't been printed yet (again, as far as I know).
2. The playtesting material is still all available on the DSP forums. Some of it was changed from the most recent beta versions (the Warder most of all, if memory serves), but they're all quite playable.
3. Generally, the people who actually put material up on the PFSRD are volunteers, not publishers. From what I remember of when Ultimate Psionics was put up on the PFSRD, the publisher sends a text version of the content they'd like to be posted to the PFSRD, and volunteers format and post that content using Google sites (often a slow process).
TL;DR: Once the book is released, it'll be posted to the PFSRD.
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Of course, there's no reason to have to choose between the Harbinger and the Zealot - they'll both be in PoW2! They also have some interesting interactions, as the Zealot can curse people with some of his Eternal Guardian abilities to set up the Harbinger's Cursed Razor maneuvers.
Edit: Also, thank you Jade for explaining that the disciplines are at the end of the document, and sorry to everyone I confused with a dud link! It's been removed.
TL;DR: Once the book is released, it'll be posted to the PFSRD.
Yup. And honestly, John does most of the postings on d20pfsrd despite the volunteers. I've done a few pages myself, and it's a time-consuming process, so I understand why it takes a while.
I'm contemplating offering some swag in return for folks helping to get PoW up on d20pfsrd, but haven't sorted that out yet.
I haven't released the final book yet, as it's still going through edits (non-mechanical).
Once those are done, I'll be releasing the full book at all sites.
I'm estimating about a week (from now) to complete edits at the rate I've been able to go. That said, I'm not running a game Friday night (as I was last week), or running a game Saturday afternoon (as I was last week) and I don't currently have overtime work scheduled (yet) Sunday (as I did last week). So... it's not impossible that I'll manage better.
Yup. And honestly, John does most of the postings on d20pfsrd despite the volunteers. I've done a few pages myself, and it's a time-consuming process, so I understand why it takes a while.
I'm contemplating offering some swag in return for folks helping to get PoW up on d20pfsrd, but haven't sorted that out yet.
I've long had it in the back of my head that it'd be nice to volunteer to get UP into the site, but I figured it'd be even harder than simply adding content since so much of it is already present. Any ideas on that complexity? If you've already done some content you'd have an idea what it takes.
Bah, accidentally closed the window after writing up a detailed review. One of these days I'll remember to put those in a separate window like Notepad or something.
But basically: the only thing missing from Ultimate Psionics is the stuff in Psionics Augmented. And the process is "rip book, clean up, link it all together" - but Psionics Expanded took a few weeks from start to finish, so it's not an insignificant amount of work.
Bah, accidentally closed the window after writing up a detailed review. One of these days I'll remember to put those in a separate window like Notepad or something.
Bah, accidentally closed the window after writing up a detailed review. One of these days I'll remember to put those in a separate window like Notepad or something.Get Lazarus! (Firefox, Safari, and Chrome)
Agreed. I don't use it anymore personally because I seem to recall it eventually built up a database of previous edits that was gargantuan and dragged most web forms I visit to unusability, but that would have been years ago.
My least favorite is: move my hand off the keyboard after a decade of typing, get ready to press the Submit/Preview button using the mouse and... accidentally whack the Back button on the side of the mouse. Say goodbye.
You can clear that out, you know =) It's an option in the plugin properties, I think.
Yep, open your Add-ons and on Lazarus click Options. Then click either "Remove all saved forms" or "Clear database". Empty that out and you shouldn't have slowdown issues anymore.
You can clear that out, you know =) It's an option in the plugin properties, I think.
Yep, open your Add-ons and on Lazarus click Options. Then click either "Remove all saved forms" or "Clear database". Empty that out and you shouldn't have slowdown issues anymore.
Yeah, I'm an IT guy so I eventually found that. Once I realized what was causing the problem I caught on. Problem is the frog-and-boiling-pot issue... it took a long time to build up so I didn't immediately notice it or recognize it as the cause for the slowdown. A little fun with ProcMon identified it, I'm sure.
I use multiple computers and browsers so I've found it's better to just train myself to be paranoid than rely on a tool. This is a viewpoint you adopt when you're frequently one keystroke from downing a server with dozens or hundreds of users hanging off of it.
But still, thanks for clarifying.
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Aaaand... halfway done. 83 pages finished, 82 to go.
Kind of a funny observation. Early on, Chris' insertion of twenty billion adjectives and metaphors and similies per sentence drove me nuts. Stuff was hard to parse and sentences were very long. (I actually commented to one of my players that some were Greg Vaughanesque, because we've noted some of GV's sentences in Slumbering Tsar are... Great Wall of China long.) But, the more I read, the more I came to the realization that it's pretty much deliberate. Each sentence is purposefully over-the-top, stylistically matching the actual topic matter. Not everything is grammatically perfect, but there's an immersive charm to the way it's all written.
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Keep it up Anguish! I am rooting for you. Thanks for doing this.
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I recently bought the subscription for the Path of War through Drivethru, and today i finally got to reading some of the stuff, I really like what you guy are doing here so far. The martial training feat line i suspect will be great for rogues and fighters but also non-caster characters in general to catch up a little on the power level.
If you are ging to do a big collective book for this like you did with ultimate psionics, might I suggest laying out the Maneuvers known/prepared and stances granted by the feat line in a table, similar to how its layed out in the class table for the various martial adept classes, for easy reference?
Also how about making each Martial Training feat available as a separate rogue trick?
If any of these ideas are already in there never mind me, i just started reading the Stalker and just skimmed over a lot.
I recently bought the subscription for the Path of War through Drivethru, and today i finally got to reading some of the stuff, I really like what you guy are doing here so far. The martial training feat line i suspect will be great for rogues and fighters but also non-caster characters in general to catch up a little on the power level.
If you are ging to do a big collective book for this like you did with ultimate psionics, might I suggest laying out the Maneuvers known/prepared and stances granted by the feat line in a table, similar to how its layed out in the class table for the various martial adept classes, for easy reference?
Also how about making each Martial Training feat available as a separate rogue trick?
If any of these ideas are already in there never mind me, i just started reading the Stalker and just skimmed over a lot.
I'm glad you're enjoying the book, Threeshades. The hopeful goal is that yes, we're going to do a big collective book like Ultimate Psionics, but that's in the future and largely dependent on how well PoW1 and PoW2 does, as well as a Kickstarter. If it does go that far, I think a table might be helpful but I was at a loss as to how to format it myself.
Martial Training is a Combat Feat, so taking the "Combat Trick" talent would cover that.
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Martial Training is a Combat Feat, so taking the "Combat Trick" talent would cover that.
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Yes and no. You can only take combat trick once. All the other feats of the line would still have to come from the character's regular feats.
Yes and no. You can only take combat trick once. All the other feats of the line would still have to come from the character's regular feats.Martial Training is a Combat Feat, so taking the "Combat Trick" talent would cover that.
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Ya know, that's really a trick that you should be able to take multiple times...
Well, that's why we're making a martial rogue archetype for PoW2.
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Update, for those who care... I've completed page 135 pages, leaving 26 pages of content to edit. Then one quick sanity-check with a standard spell-checker. Note: I've found very few things that would have been caught by one. Chris has been diligent about making sure the ultra-low-hanging-fruit was dealt with already.
I've got one more hour left tonight, and tomorrow's a holiday. So there's a chance I may complete tomorrow. If not, Tuesday is virtually guaranteed.
So that's where I'm at.
Hmm. 6pm. Breakfast break is over, time to get back to PoW.