Building a Lycanthrope Paladin Need thoughts


Advice


Hello I am building a WereBear/Halfling Paladin. Hulk Angry!!! And need some advice on how to build it. I am thinking of sword and board and we are starting at level 8. We roll for stats in my group and I rolled
12
18
15
13
16
15

I am Thinking of putting the 18 in Charisma, 16 Strength, 15 Dexterity, 13 in Wisdom, 15 in Constitution, and 12 in intelligence.

Current feat thoughts
L1: Power Attack
L3: Furious Focus
L5: ?
L7: Vital Strike


I think you should consider just swapping your Str/Cha, since you'll want a bit more Str to offset the penalty.

Also, consider not getting Vital Strike, it's generally not worth spending a Feat on, especially for sword and board since you'd at most get an extra d8 out of it.

Also also, consider being a Barbarian with natural attacks because nothing conjures a funnier image than the midget bear frothing at the mouth, screaming "Rip and tear!" as he lays into enemies with his claws and bites.


I already have natural attacks in my hybrid form. a bite and 2 claws. and it is a Move action to switch forms. also my forms goes from small to large when i switch to hybrid or animal. but a barbarian is defiantly and idea. Still need one more feat if i go 2H barbarian and I was thinking for the pally option to place both 4th and 8th Ability upgrades in strength to combat that.

Silver Crusade

If playing in Golarion, you might want to check out Tsukiyo. :)

Liberty's Edge

Halflings can't be werebears. The base animal must be within one size difference from the base creature. Best a small character can do is a medium animal. Though since your gm is letting you play a lycanthrope in the first place that may not be much of a stumbling block.


There are several kinds of bears in pathfinder actually. The animal companion is medium, and many people don't like that. Also, this is a medium sized bear.


That's complete crap anyways:

DM "You get bitten by a werebear and contract lycanthropy."
Player "No thanks, I'm too small to be a werebear."

That's almost as bad as just saying "I disbelieve."


I Hate Nickelback wrote:

That's complete crap anyways:

DM "You get bitten by a werebear and contract lycanthropy."
Player "No thanks, I'm too small to be a werebear."

That's almost as bad as just saying "I disbelieve."

I wasn't bitten by that werewolf! It was all just an illusion!

It makes sense in that it tries to keep someone from turning into a were Colossal Giant Squid. I had a player try that once. Your of course free to house rule otherwise, and many creatures have several variants/sizes/similar analogues. Personally, I don't see many small races at my table.


ahh well there is also the Human/WereBear. but still need a feat for lvl 5

Liberty's Edge

I'm confused here. Paladins are immune to supernatural diseases. You can't be a lycanthrope paladin. Well, I guess you can, but your god would instantly cure you of it when you hit level 3.

Well, I guess if you're a natural lycanthrope it'd be fine, but natural lycanthropes have like 5 extra DR and complete control over their transformations so your DM would have to be insane to let you do that...(quite possible)


Your DM is actually more sane for letting you play a natural than an afflicted. Afflicted go insane and have a good chance of killing everyone, making them NPC's. Its actually a lot of fun to play a lycanthrope, but your game has to be built around it.


NeoSeraphi wrote:

I'm confused here. Paladins are immune to supernatural diseases. You can't be a lycanthrope paladin. Well, I guess you can, but your god would instantly cure you of it when you hit level 3.

Well, I guess if you're a natural lycanthrope it'd be fine, but natural lycanthropes have like 5 extra DR and complete control over their transformations so your DM would have to be insane to let you do that...(quite possible)

We were just looking at this, my DM and I, since a character in our group was just bitten by a were-rat and failed her save. She's a Paladin 4, so she is immune to diseases, but Lycanthropy seems to be classified as a curse, not a disease. Anyone know what's the ruling on this?


Haven´t seen any. Paladins are immune to mummy rot, which is a disease and a curse, but lycanthropy is only a curse. The DM is fully within his limits to extend this resistance to lycanthropy too... otherwise your paladin may have a serious problem. Unlike a natural lycanthrope, she can´t control herself during that time, which can be a problem.

On the other hand, if it comes to that, do note she is NOT willingly committing any evil acts while in that form, so while it would likely require some atonement, she should not fall on the spot (unless the DM and players want her to).


Barbarian is a better fit, you wil also gain Pounce at lvl 10. And you can add more Natural attacks later with spells and magic items. You could do something like this:

Human/Werebear Scarred Rager barbarian 5

Alternate racial trait: Heart of the Fields, Favored class bonus every time

Traits: Dangerously Curious, Optimistic Gambler

Stats (before modifiers, as rolled): Str 18, Dex 15, Con 16, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 15

1. Racial Heritage (kobold), Tail Terror
2. Rage Power: Superstition
3. Power Attack
4. Rage Power: Lesser Beast Totem
5. Raging Vitality

You should progress the beast totem rage powers so that you eventually gain pounce. Reckless Abandon and Come and Get Me are a must. Another option is to take via the kobold feats a breath weapon and then be eligible for the powerful Noxious Bite feat. Improved Sunder combos well with the Spell Sunder rage power. Take Cornugon Smash and maybe Dreadful Carnage for Intimidation effects when you can. Later on you can buy a wand of monstrous extremities, a tentacle cloak and a helm of the mammoth lord for even more natural attacks.


OP said they want feedback on rolling up a paladin. Why are people saying to roll a barbarian instead? How is that helpful?


It'a not.

Natural Lycanthropy shouldn't be a disease or a curse, merely genetics. If you are going to be a Paladin, consider never biting anything that can contract lycanthropy. If they want to became lycanthropes, spend the time before hand asking for your diety's consent on the matter, and time after the bite keeping them under control until they have control themselves.

Toughness, Dodge, Improved Initiative, and Improved Natural Attck(claws) are good feat choices for your character.


Azten wrote:
Toughness, Dodge, Improved Initiative, and Improved Natural Attck(claws) are good feat choices for your character.

1 of them is great, their thematic yes, but as far as good feats go dodge and improved natural attack aren't really that amazing. Toughness is okay, but usually you can nab something better.

Grand Lodge

Important question: was she afflicted or natural? This is important because this will determine whether or not you can control your transformation.

If afflicted, I wouldn't bother. If not, just build him like a two-handed paladin to make use of the boosts you're going to get in hybrid form.


Cataphor wrote:
OP said they want feedback on rolling up a paladin. Why are people saying to roll a barbarian instead? How is that helpful?

OP also said that he likes the Barbarian idea.

Anyway for a paladin build, consider Fey Foundling at first lvl and the Oath of Vengeance archetype together with a bunch of Extra Lay on Hands feats. A one lvl dip in Lore Oracle for Cha to AC is also a great possibility.

Shadow Lodge

The Nature Oracle's version might be a bit better for heavy armor wearers.


I actually contracted lycanthropy tonight from a weretiger...Im totally pumped about it though because the stat boosts are AWESOME.


EsperMagic wrote:
I actually contracted lycanthropy tonight from a weretiger...Im totally pumped about it though because the stat boosts are AWESOME.

It will not go well with Paladin then. You know that if you don't get rid of it you will eventually lose control and kill some folks... which in turn means that you are comfortable with killing innocent in order to maintain your power. This is certainly an evil approach. Antipaladin would suit better. And there is always the Barbarian.


oh im not a paladin. Im a battle herald currently CG...


I am confused... you liked the affliction so now you want to make a natural were/whatever character?


im not the OP...just came here and mentioned I became one and its a blast of a template


EsperMagic wrote:
im not the OP...just came here and mentioned I became one and its a blast of a template

Ok then.


Umm thanks for the help guys it was a natural not afflicted werebear thing. but the group kind of collapsed due to drama and a good number of us graduating and heading off to other colleges.

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