Nah, I'm a mean GM. I would have said that both get hit or neither. I don't see how the T-rex could get hit while its lunch remains unaffected, or vice versa.
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One of my players had their own answer to this conundrum of being swallowed whole.
They drank a potion of tree shape.
It was messy....very messy.
An awesome solution.
Every character in that party forever after carried a potion of tree shape, and it got used a few more times, all thanks to that original half-orc rogue/ranger.
We fought a T-Rex today and one of the characters was swallowed. When the sorcerer said he was going to attack the T-Rex with a lightning bolt the GM told the swallowed character to make a save against the bolt as well.
Does this sound reasonable?
Thinking about it, it can make since.
Would the swallowed pc get damaged by piercing weapon attacks vs the t-rex, too?
I think this rule is as nonsensical as the 2ed rule that you got double damage from lightning bolts when wearing metal armor or the often used houserule that a electical spell is turned into an area spell when cast on someone standing in water.
And another thing: If someone swallowed whole would be hit by a lightning bolt, how should he evade it?
But the tree shape potion story is cool.
Ha we had one character swallowed by a T-Rex on two different occasions.
It was hilarious.
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Why did the fellow not grab the intestines of the beast he was in like reins and force it to evade? Like a boss?
:)
-j
In a game I runned a couple years ago, the party's half-orc fighter got swallowed by a T-Rex in a middle of a battlefield. And he only had his greataxe...
Even after defeating the T-Rex, the other party members had to cut open the dinosaur's guts to rescue him, because he was still taking acid and (in less degree) crushing damage.
From that day onwards, the fighter ALWAYS carried a shortsword.
I have a feeling that my small character may be swallowed whole at some point in his career. Would he get sneak attack?
That is too funny about being struck by lightning while in a trex. Mechanically it makes sense and the humor factor also lends to allowing it.
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I had a game where the wizard got swallowed by a large clockwork leviathan. The wizard was going to attempt to have his large secret chest appear with him inside of the leviathan but died from damage before he could pull it off and make my brain explode from trying to figure how to deal with something like that.
In a Age of Worms in Eberron campaign my Warforged Juggernaut Paladin was swallowed whole by an Ulgurstasta (think giant necromantic maggot). Since the damage in its gut was 'negative energy' I took no damage.
Instead I sighed and activated my Flaming Undead Bane armor spikes and just held on with my warfists so I couldn't be vomited out!
It was glorious!
In my games, if the t-rex made his save, the swallowed character did as well, if the t-rex did not, then they both take full damage.
Why?
Because, one the character has zero knowledge of the impending lightening bolt. Plus where would the character dodge to "reflexively" get out of the way of the lightening? The way electricity works on a body is it works its way through the entire body. Something in the stomach would receive the treatment the T-Rex does. So the swallowed creature would live and die by the t-rex's agility.
One of my players had their own answer to this conundrum of being swallowed whole.
They drank a potion of tree shape.
It was messy....very messy.
I like the creativity, however I would say that it wouldn't work.. The spell says it creatures a Large tree. Unfortunately a Large tree is swallowable by a Gargantuan T-Rex.
However the shrink item spell would be perfect for this, as long as you use an item that is gargantuan in size. Or at the least something that is heavy enough to root the t-rex in place due to the sheer weight of it. Maybe like a large block of adamantine or something that its weight would be greater than that of t-rex strength would be able to carry.
One of my players had their own answer to this conundrum of being swallowed whole.
They drank a potion of tree shape.
It was messy....very messy.
I like the creativity, however I would say that it wouldn't work.. The spell says it creatures a Large tree. Unfortunately a Large tree is swallowable by a Gargantuan T-Rex.
However the shrink item spell would be perfect for this, as long as you use an item that is gargantuan in size. Or at the least something that is heavy enough to root the t-rex in place due to the sheer weight of it. Maybe like a large block of adamantine or something that its weight would be greater than that of t-rex strength would be able to carry.
Also Tree Shape is a personal spell, so it can't be made into a potion
I like the creativity, however I would say that it wouldn't work.. The spell says it creatures a Large tree. Unfortunately a Large tree is swallowable by a Gargantuan T-Rex.One of my players had their own answer to this conundrum of being swallowed whole.
They drank a potion of tree shape.
It was messy....very messy.
It wasn't a T-rex, it was a Large plant of some sort (which just added insult to injury, using tree-shape).
Also Tree Shape is a personal spell, so it can't be made into a potion
"It can duplicate the effect of a spell of up to 3rd level that has a casting time of less than 1 minute and targets one or more creatures."
Can you give me an FAQ reference for where a personal spell doesn't count as effecting "one or more creatures"? After all, it effects one creature, the caster. Either way it was a pre-written adventure for 3.5 and it was in the loot they found.
Also Tree Shape is a personal spell, so it can't be made into a potion"It can duplicate the effect of a spell of up to 3rd level that has a casting time of less than 1 minute and targets one or more creatures."
Can you give me an FAQ reference for where a personal spell doesn't count as effecting "one or more creatures"? After all, it effects one creature, the caster. Either way it was a pre-written adventure for 3.5 and it was in the loot they found.
Tree Shape can't be made into a potion, as it has a Range of personal. And potions very specifically can not be made of spells that have a range of personal. It doesn't matter if they count as a spell that targets one or more creatures.
The imbiber of the potion is both the caster and the target. Spells with a range of personal cannot be made into potions.
That being said, its entirely possible to make a consumable custom magic item (with Craft Wondrous Item) that is priced and used the same as a potion, without actually being a potion. So it wouldn't be limited to certain spells, or spells of only 3rd level or lower.
I like the idea of a length of an adamntine spiked pole that is 80 foot long. 5 gargantuan sized spikes on each end. It can double as battering ram. Shrink it with the spell shrink iitem.
Tree Shape can't be made into a potion, as it has a Range of personal. And potions very specifically can not be made of spells that have a range of personal. It doesn't matter if they count as a spell that targets one or more creatures.
The imbiber of the potion is both the caster and the target. Spells with a range of personal cannot be made into potions.That being said, its entirely possible to make a consumable custom magic item (with Craft Wondrous Item) that is priced and used the same as a potion, without actually being a potion. So it wouldn't be limited to certain spells, or spells of only 3rd level or lower.
Fair enough. Still funny as hell though.
Yeah. But having an adamantine battering ram is useful for many things.
See, my players tend to want to manipulate what they know about electricity to their advantage.
"Does it do more damage because he's standing in water? Does it make his Reflex save harder because he's wearing metal armor?"
Blah, blah, blah, meow, meow, meow.
My response is, okay, I'll allow that because I like that you are using your brains. But remember that when it's your turn to get hit by lightning, I'm going to take the same conditions into consideration.
Okay, that's the houserule part of it. But the real answer to the question was given on the first page, back when this thread first showed up. Lightning bolt affects "each creature within its area," period. At best, cover only provides a bonus to the Reflex save versus such a magical effect, but remember that, being grappled, the swallowed character suffers -4 to his Dexterity.
I would argue that the swallowed character doesn't get his own Reflex save, anyway, but is reliant upon the T-Rex, since he is being carried by it. Think of how your sword gets your Ref save to avoid an effect so long as you are carrying it.
How did the swallowed caster beat the DC 45 Concentration check to get the lightning bolt off in the first place? If he can pull that off, I don't see a need to punish him for it.
How did the swallowed caster beat the DC 45 Concentration check to get the lightning bolt off in the first place? If he can pull that off, I don't see a need to punish him for it.
No one said the swallowed character was the caster.
In that case, I don't think the victim should get zapped at all.
