Nuuuuuuu it's the gnumunists!!!
Racists and plutocrats, you will all pay!!!
Except for Comrade Gnomunist who is quite correct that there are no copyright laws on the collective but here in the belly of the beast, in the words of Tracy Marrow,
I gotta get paid tonight, you're motherf@$~ing right
think of my grip, check my biznitch, keep my game tight.
Vive le Galt!
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GNUMENORIANS IS ONLY LEGENDS
THERE IS NO GNUMENOR, WAS NO GNUMENOR, AND WILL BE NO GNUMENOR
NO ONE KNOWS OF GNUMENOR
NOT ASK OF GNUMENOR
REGIME NOT HAVE GNUMENORIANS IN SECRET RESEARCH FACILITIES DEVELOPING MIND-CONTROL
BECAUSE THERE IS NO GNUMENORIANS
NOW STOP ASKING, OR YOU BECOME SAUSAGE
Racists and plutocrats, you will all pay!!!
Except for Comrade Gnomunist who is quite correct that there are no copyright laws on the collective but here in the belly of the beast, in the words of Tracy Marrow,
I gotta get paid tonight, you're motherf@&@ing right
think of my grip, check my biznitch, keep my game tight.Vive le Galt!
I pay all the time; having the means to pay for goods and services is what puts me above the unwashed masses.
I swear, the things you have to explain to goblins . . .
Racists and plutocrats, you will all pay!!!
Except for Comrade Gnomunist who is quite correct that there are no copyright laws on the collective but here in the belly of the beast, in the words of Tracy Marrow,
I gotta get paid tonight, you're motherf@#+ing right
think of my grip, check my biznitch, keep my game tight.Vive le Galt!
PENSIVE SIGH
REGIME THINKS YOU ARE IN THE CORRECT
COMRADE ANKLEBITER'S PLAN FOR INSIDER COLLAPSE OF PIG-DOG SYSTEM IS A GO
BUT KEEP SECRET. WE HAVE NICE-PERSON OUTSIDER IMAGE TO MAINTAIN
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You're next, Dice! After Terquem and all you other pig-dogs!
Huh? What, Comrade Gnomunist? Oh.
Uh, nevermind, Dice, Terquem, everybody, nothing to worry about. You can all go back to yelling at dear Sissyl. Nothing to see here.
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Racists and plutocrats, you will all pay!!!
Except for Comrade Gnomunist who is quite correct that there are no copyright laws on the collective but here in the belly of the beast, in the words of Tracy Marrow,
I gotta get paid tonight, you're motherf@#+ing right
think of my grip, check my biznitch, keep my game tight.Vive le Galt!
PENSIVE SIGH
REGIME THINKS YOU ARE IN THE CORRECT
COMRADE ANKLEBITER'S PLAN FOR INSIDER COLLAPSE OF PIG-DOG SYSTEM IS A GO
BUT KEEP SECRET. WE HAVE NICE-PERSON OUTSIDER IMAGE TO MAINTAIN
That's how I started out, but then m'lord Dice started feeding me his table scraps and letting me sleep on the hearth, and I was all, "Of course I want to be a stooge of the plutocracy, sleeping inside beats the hell out of the goblin-kennels."
Both Doodlebug and m'lord Dice want me to redeem myself through labor, but Doodlebug wants to give my earnings to the needy, whereas m'lord Dice gives me sips of his wine when he's feeling jolly. What would you do?
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You're next, Dice! After Terquem and all you other pig-dogs!
Huh? What, Comrade Gnomunist? Oh.
Uh, nevermind, Dice, Terquem, everybody, nothing to worry about. You can all go back to yelling at dear Sissyl. Nothing to see here.
It's too late, Doodlebug; I named names.
[Smacks Dicey]
Well, gobbo, it seems the yelling is over for now.
The snow is falling. It is time to bury the dead.
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It's too late, Doodlebug; I named names.You're next, Dice! After Terquem and all you other pig-dogs!
Huh? What, Comrade Gnomunist? Oh.
Uh, nevermind, Dice, Terquem, everybody, nothing to worry about. You can all go back to yelling at dear Sissyl. Nothing to see here.
We ARE watching you, citizen.
No one escapes the sight of the Regime.
<Steps back into the shadows while pointing at his eyes. Then trips on a step and ruins the moment>
By Gnomsky! This I why I keep telling everyone back home we shouldn't be working with goblins!
<Crawls away into hiding>
Comrade Le Couard, as a representative of French socialism and the Bellflower Network, I humbly apologize for stepping on your sexy feet.
If you will join me and the Commonwealth Party of Galt (M-L) in an international general strike against environmental degradation and capitalism and Terquem's violation of intellectual copyright laws, I'd be much obliged.
Small-sized humanoids of all lands, unite!
It reminds me that I meant (but forgot) to congratulate you on the way you handled your boss some days ago, about your female coworker. Proud day to be you, or something like that.
It reminds me that I meant (but forgot) to congratulate you on the way you handled your boss some days ago, about your female coworker. Proud day to be you, or something like that.
Incoherent yelling until the stooges do what I say! It is the Anklebiter way! Too bad it doesn't work all the time...
Merci beaucoups, camarade.
Man, I'm running out of things to do on my vacation. I did all of the things I could do during the week earlier in the week and now I'm just waiting for the weekend so I can debauch all over again.
Well, if I'm not here, I'll be watching the second season of The Walking Dead...
Man, I'm running out of things to do on my vacation. I did all of the things I could do during the week earlier in the week and now I'm just waiting for the weekend so I can debauch all over again.
Well, if I'm not here, I'll be watching the second season of The Walking Dead...
Ooh, watch it! It gets pretty interesting, and there are some awesomely nasty scenes.
Yeah, it's pretty great. I'm taking a bit of a breather.
Man, I'm running out of things to do on my vacation. I did all of the things I could do during the week earlier in the week and now I'm just waiting for the weekend so I can debauch all over again.
Maybe you should work on a scheme to get another one ?
At the moment the scheme is just to wait until May and pick three more weeks.
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At the moment the scheme is just to wait until May and pick three more weeks.
Machiavellian ! I love it !
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You're next, Dice! After Terquem and all you other pig-dogs!
Huh? What, Comrade Gnomunist? Oh.
Uh, nevermind, Dice, Terquem, everybody, nothing to worry about. You can all go back to yelling at dear Sissyl. Nothing to see here.
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Man, I'm running out of things to do on my vacation. I did all of the things I could do during the week earlier in the week and now I'm just waiting for the weekend so I can debauch all over again.
Well, if I'm not here, I'll be watching the second season of The Walking Dead...
Where are you? if near a beach get yourself a pack of welding rods and big long steel rods and pop down the beach before an electrical storm.
Make lightning glass: insert the welding rods in the sand at 45 degrees in a circle facing inward and put some big metal poles up around it and take wire with alligator clips and connect the welding rods to the poles so when lightning strikes it activates the welding rods and melts glass in the shape of a bowl.
Problem with fighting the gnomunists is that they could subject you to a gnome invasion...
Political power comes from the barrel of a Lantan gun.
Vive le Bachuan!
I apologize in advance for being harsh here, but I honestly think the climate hysteric view that holding the Right Views allows you to lecture people has gone just a bit too far now.
I know enough about science, indeed, have done enough research myself, to know what kind of errors are okay and not. Don't equate me with any uneducated yokel, and I resent that implication. Also, I am not an american.
This chart shows pretty clearly that you are a very, very old person. Congratulations on reaching your EXTREMELY advanced age. Is this an example of letting whims dictate reality, would you say?
Science worth the name is reductionist in nature. Reductionism means that the whole is equal to the sum of the parts AND counting their various interrelationships. Holism means there is something else as well, that the whole is MORE than the sum of the parts and their respective relationships. Like... yeah, we can measure all this stuff, but to understand, there is a True Message, a Holy Central Tenet that you Must Understand and Accept to Believe the Right Way. Needless to say, all that does is clothe religion in the trappings of science, which can only bring harm to human understanding of the phenomenon in question.
Correlation does not equate causation. Just because you can chart CO2 buildup along with our industrial development doesn't mean causation is true. Otherwise, the known increase in storks would be the probable cause of increased worldwide nativity, and the frequency of pirates would be a leading cause of global temperature increase.
Seriously... if what you write is your argumentation against what I say, stop limiting your information sources to New York Daily Times and read up on some basic principles of science.
...which was even claimed by the climate hysterics only two years ago to be untrue. They were very clear on this: There is NO increased frequency of storms over the last decades, rather a bit fewer ones.
Then a few big storms with media coverage happen, and suddenly each one of them is direct, incontrovertible proof of the AGW hypothesis.
Climatolgists have been warning of increased levels of extreme weather for years and years.
Models project that increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases result in changes in frequency, intensity, and duration of extreme events, such as more hot days, heat waves, heavy precipitation events, and fewer cold days. Many of these projected changes would lead to increased risks of floods and droughts in many regions, and predominantly adverse impacts on ecological systems, socio-economic sectors, and human health (see Table SPM-2 for details). High resolution modeling studies suggest that peak wind and precipitation intensity of tropical cyclones are likely to increase over some areas. There is insufficient information on how very small-scale extreme weather phenomena (e.g., thunderstorms, tornadoes, hail, hailstorms, and lightning) may change.
What I still don't understand is how someone can accept CO2 build up and then suggest it'll sort it self out. I'm sure the other pollutants like lead, arsenic, mercury, or even radiation will sort themselves out as well . . . but I suppose the difference there is that those pollutants leave corpses.
There are sinks.
Natural processes that remove atmospheric carbon dioxide.
They are in principle correct that levels of atmospheric carbon will 'sort themselves out. However, that would require that both Anthropogenic CO2 producing activities and natural sources of CO2 reduce to a level below that which natural sinks can remove each year from the atmosphere. Even if that where to happen, it would require some time to take place.
However, I think your slightly misrepresenting them. I think from what I have seen, such argument are usually much more along the lines of "we don't need to worry about CO2 because natural systems wouldn't let it run out of control"
Ofcaurse the answer to any such silliness is...Venus.
Most likely they're right. We could be on track for a runaway greenhouse effect ala Venus, but I don't think any of the models suggest that.
Short of that, CO2 build up will sort itself out. Not really a problem at all. As some of the deniers are also fond of pointing out, the earth's been much warmer than it is now in the past.
Of course, it'll take 10s or 100s of thousands of years to sort out, if not longer, and won't really start until we stop pumping the carbon into the atmosphere, either because we wise up, run out of fossil fuels or crash back to a pre-industrial level. From the planetary point of view, that's just part of the feedback loop. Just the natural systems taking care of the problem. The rapid change will also wipe out a lot of species that can't move or change fast enough to cope, but that's OK too. Just more open niches for new species to evolve into.
From the right point of view, it's not really a big deal.
I don't think we are in disagreement at all.
The only point I would make is your in danger of falling into an naturalistic fallacy.
Just because all this is natural on the right scale, does not mean it is something we really want to be living through ;)
Correlation does not equate causation. Just because you can chart CO2 buildup along with our industrial development doesn't mean causation is true. Otherwise, the known increase in storks would be the probable cause of increased worldwide nativity, and the frequency of pirates would be a leading cause of global temperature increase.
Ok...Then what is causing the increase in CO2? And why does the isotopic signature match what we would expect if the majority of the input was from burning fossil fuels?
Correlation does not equate causation. Just because you can chart CO2 buildup along with our industrial development doesn't mean causation is true. Otherwise, the known increase in storks would be the probable cause of increased worldwide nativity, and the frequency of pirates would be a leading cause of global temperature increase.
CO2's nature as a greenhouse gas is a fairly well understood principle. We know it absorbs longwave radiation, we can measure it's ability to do so and we know that this increases it's temperature. We've known it's a greenhouse gas since the mid-1800's.
With various measuring tools on satellites we can actually measure which types of molecules are absorbing energy. We did this and found that CO2 had increased how much longwave radiation it was absorbing. Now, when something absorbs longwave radiation it gets hotter. When it gets hotter it starts emitting longwave radiation. Now the CO2 in our atmosphere is emitting longwave radiation and a significant portion of this is coming back to Earth, though some does escape into space.
Satellites are measuring less longwave radiation escaping the atmosphere. Surface measurements are showing increased longwave radiation. We know that CO2 absorbs and emits longwave radiation in a greenhouse manner, we've tested it in labs. We know the increased CO2 is from anthropogenic sources.
This isn't correlation, this is causation.
Guys... seriously. Get a grip. I have said what I intend to say in this. I answered LazarX because I found his insinuations offensive and his arguments pathetic. You keep claiming that I don't have the right to question the climatologists' arguments because I am not a climatologist myself, and yet even someone showing a severe lack of basic scirntific principles feels he is entitled to lecture me. You act like piranhas. If someone dares to question the tenets of the Church of the Holy AGW, you keep beating them over the head with the latest Scripture without even trying to understand what your victim is saying. I don't want to hear your Scripture anymore. Your behaviour is apalling and is, to be absolutely honest, quite unlikely to convince anyone. Even if you are Right.
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Guys... seriously. Get a grip. I have said what I intend to say in this. I answered LazarX because I found his insinuations offensive and his arguments pathetic. You keep claiming that I don't have the right to question the climatologists' arguments because I am not a climatologist myself, and yet even someone showing a severe lack of basic scirntific principles feels he is entitled to lecture me. You act like piranhas. If someone dares to question the tenets of the Church of the Holy AGW, you keep beating them over the head with the latest Scripture without even trying to understand what your victim is saying. I don't want to hear your Scripture anymore. Your behaviour is apalling and is, to be absolutely honest, quite unlikely to convince anyone. Even if you are Right.
It is not just AGW, you gotta be on the "correct" side of all issues or you get that treatment
No. AGW is magnitudes worse than more or less everything else.
I don't recall ever jumping on Madame Sissyl. Well, except during the drug-fuelled orgy and that was consensual.
Goblins do it in the street!
Regarding my view of the Church of AGW: once someone loses their trust in you, it doesn't much matter what data you bring up. It will keep being regarded as suspect, even if you start telling the truth. The IPCC and other parts of environmentalism have lied enough times and blatantly enough that they can go die somewhere for all I care. I have not been impressed by their previous doomsaying, which would happen in fifty years, so why should I think they suddenly are right? They are STILL shouting about something that will happen in fifty years. You know why? Because anything more close to home will generate data that could prove them wrong.
I often wish I was a Believer. I am not.
Still... I am well aware it will not matter what I think. The environmentalists will get their totalitarian zero-growth society. Maybe one day when you are standing in the bread queues, you will think back on this discussion.
Still... I am well aware it will not matter what I think. The environmentalists will get their totalitarian zero-growth society.
Hmm. I doubt it.
Maybe one day when you are standing in the bread queues, you will think back on this discussion.
I think either way (totalitarian zero-growth society or democratic capitalist rapaciously growing, slash-and-burning everything its way society) our grandkids are going to be much more familiar with bread-lines than we are.
Cute, thejeff. Cute, but no cigar. Climategate is a big deal. The Hockey stick is a clear fabrication. Ignoring that is stupid. Have you read the Climategate emails?
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Yes. Have you read the investigation? Have you read all the emails and not just the cherrypicked and quotemined ones? You are aware the scientists in question were invetigated and cleared of wrongdoing, right? Oh, wait, that's probably part of the AGW conspiracy. Just in case, I present an article on said invesitgation.
And I'll now save my head from this particular wall. You're right, the experts are wrong and we're idiots for not seeing it as clearly as you do. Got it.
Cute, thejeff. Cute, but no cigar. Climategate is a big deal. The Hockey stick is a clear fabrication. Ignoring that is stupid. Have you read the Climategate emails?
What is significant about the climate gate emails?
Is it the fact that no less than seven major investigations into the emails and the scientists involved found no evidence of academic fraud?
That only minor methadological issues where found(by the way, the researchs welcomed this review)?
Was it that the only real criticism of CRU from these investions was that they where not open enough, and been unpleasant about some deniers in private emails between colligues, and that even those reports which where critical of this, stated that the behaviour was largely understandable, given the levels of harressment the group had been subjected to by climate change deniers?
Or perhaps it is the fact that climate change deniers are so desperate to blacken the name of legitimate climate research that they will illegally access academic systems and distribute researcher private emails to one another.
Or is it perhaps that climate change deniers are so ignorant of the subject that they actually think the climate gate emails are some kind of proof of malfeasance.
i'd love to know specifically what you think the problem is, that the emails highlight.
omg the scientists used the word trick! they're tricking us! Not describing ... a perfectly legitimate technique for normalizing data to a better standard in a vernacular instead of technical terms. We all know scientists want to be 100% precise all day every day so they NEVER let their guard down and let vernacular into their speech.. or thoughts...
They also have pointy ears.