paizo.com Recent Posts in How sustainable is our current model of civilization?paizo.com Recent Posts in How sustainable is our current model of civilization?2013-02-19T18:48:38Z2013-02-19T18:48:38ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?Irontruthhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13142013-03-06T09:50:17Z2013-03-06T09:50:17Z<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/climate-of-doubt/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">A Frontline piece on how skeptics are trying to shape the climate debate.</a></p>A Frontline piece on how skeptics are trying to shape the climate debate.Irontruth2013-03-06T09:50:17ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?yellowdingohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13132013-02-27T07:01:42Z2013-02-27T07:01:42Z<p><a href="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/us-government-must-become-energy-provider-constructing-one-million-six-megawatt-wind-turbines/tSrMvMQJ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Just looking to raise the Kardashev scale to Type I Civilization. 1 million 6 megawatt wind turbines to go.</a></p>Just looking to raise the Kardashev scale to Type I Civilization. 1 million 6 megawatt wind turbines to go.yellowdingo2013-02-27T07:01:42ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?Irontruthhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13122013-02-22T16:21:59Z2013-02-22T16:21:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">CBDunkerson wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote>I believe that was a rhetorical question to demonstrate the idiocy of the previously described concept, that would result in the earth being the center of the universe, but would also be the logical follow up to one of a couple fallacies I was pointing out.</blockquote>And therein lies the problem... because you argued that the Earth would have to be at the center of the universe in order for objects near it to appear to be moving away more slowly than objects far from it. I used the balloon analogy to show why this was false (e.g. as the balloon expands dots on its surface [i.e. NOT THE CENTER] near each other move apart more slowly than dots far apart from each other). Your insistence that the Earth would have to be in the center of the universe to observe this effect is clearly and obviously wrong... yet you continue to state it in your response above without even TRYING to address (or apparently comprehend) the obvious proof that it is false. </blockquote><p>CBD, the problem with your proof is that it didn't come from DLH's ovule. (That's a part of a flower)CBDunkerson wrote:DarkLightHitomi wrote:I believe that was a rhetorical question to demonstrate the idiocy of the previously described concept, that would result in the earth being the center of the universe, but would also be the logical follow up to one of a couple fallacies I was pointing out.
And therein lies the problem... because you argued that the Earth would have to be at the center of the universe in order for objects near it to appear to be moving away more slowly than objects far...Irontruth2013-02-22T16:21:59ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?Icyshadowhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13112013-02-22T13:46:40Z2013-02-22T13:46:40Z<p>...oh crap.</p>...oh crap.Icyshadow2013-02-22T13:46:40ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?Catproghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13102013-02-22T13:45:35Z2013-02-22T13:45:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote> Any word on that alleged tree die off? </blockquote><p>I did a Google search for 'europe tree die off' the following spoiler contains the top 10
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>BigNorseWolf wrote:Any word on that alleged tree die off?
I did a Google search for 'europe tree die off' the following spoiler contains the top 10 [Spoiler omitted]Catprog2013-02-22T13:45:35ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?CBDunkersonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13092013-02-22T13:00:58Z2013-02-22T13:00:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote>I believe that was a rhetorical question to demonstrate the idiocy of the previously described concept, that would result in the earth being the center of the universe, but would also be the logical follow up to one of a couple fallacies I was pointing out.</blockquote><p>And therein lies the problem... because you argued that the Earth would have to be at the center of the universe in order for objects near it to appear to be moving away more slowly than objects far from it. I used the balloon analogy to show why this was false (e.g. as the balloon expands dots on its surface [i.e. NOT THE CENTER] near each other move apart more slowly than dots far apart from each other). Your insistence that the Earth would have to be in the center of the universe to observe this effect is clearly and obviously wrong... yet you continue to state it in your response above without even TRYING to address (or apparently comprehend) the obvious proof that it is false.DarkLightHitomi wrote:I believe that was a rhetorical question to demonstrate the idiocy of the previously described concept, that would result in the earth being the center of the universe, but would also be the logical follow up to one of a couple fallacies I was pointing out.
And therein lies the problem... because you argued that the Earth would have to be at the center of the universe in order for objects near it to appear to be moving away more slowly than objects far from it. I used...CBDunkerson2013-02-22T13:00:58ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?Grand Magus (alias of Tensor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13082013-02-22T05:31:05Z2013-02-22T05:31:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Grand Magus wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Grand Magus wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote> Money was created so that people could trade for things without having to make change for a cow. It's worked amazingly well for it's purpose since then. </blockquote><p>No. Money was created to make it easy for people to SAVE money.
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For simple economies, barter works just fine.</p>
<p>So, I pose to you a pure economics question why do sophisticated
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economies need it to be 'easy' for people to SAVE money???</p>
<p>I'll even throw in ><a href="http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~mdo738/textbook/main.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><b>a book</b></a>< to help you.
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</blockquote><p>... stuff stuff stuff ... Saving money is worthless.
<p>Economics needs it to be easy for people to save money because that is the illusion that gives the rich the upper hand. Think for a moment, the rich are only rich because there is inequality in the system. If you took all the money in the world and evenly divided it up among all the people, no one would be very rich, even by today's standards.</p>
<p>... stuff ... </blockquote><p>Not even close to the correct answer.
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</blockquote><p>The Dean wanted grades turned in — I gave you a 0.00%
<p>But, I'll replace your grade with your score from <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m418?Economics-Literacy-Quiz" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><b>> this <</b></a> quiz.</p>
<p>.</p>Grand Magus wrote:DarkLightHitomi wrote: Grand Magus wrote: DarkLightHitomi wrote: Money was created so that people could trade for things without having to make change for a cow. It's worked amazingly well for it's purpose since then.
No. Money was created to make it easy for people to SAVE money.
For simple economies, barter works just fine.So, I pose to you a pure economics question why do sophisticated
economies need it to be 'easy' for people to SAVE money???
I'll even throw in >a...Grand Magus (alias of Tensor)2013-02-22T05:31:05ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?Krenskyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13072013-02-21T23:34:24Z2013-02-21T23:34:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Oh please, that is disregarding the other statement I made.</p>
<p>I stated that the universe is expanding but isn't accelerating in it's expansion.</p>
<p>Please try not to contradict something so explicity stated. I may not be the best at explaining the reasons why I believe or queston something, but I don't see how you can mistake that sentance. </blockquote><p>Let's try this:
<p>Posit: DLH is not, despite appearances, a human but in fact a clever and aesthetic arrangement of pebbles and flowers sitting on a desk somewhere.</p>
<p>Response: That' not possible, ikebana can't post in a forum. It can't even move let alone hold a conversation. I mean DLH can't be a flower arrangement, its ludicrous and ignores everything known about reality.</p>
<p>Counter-Response: You can't prove to me he isn't flowers and pebbles. Besides I never said he was ikebana, I said he was flowers and pebbles. People believe what confirms their existing view of the world, only the truly gifted can see how illogical their mainstream ideas are by thinking outside the box. Maybe the wind is causing the flower to occasionally move a mouse and hit keys and push buttons. You can't prove that's not what is happening. Therefore it's likely DLH is really a flower, just like the rest of you.</p>
<p>Completely crazy right?</p>
<p>That's how you sound about almost everything.</p>DarkLightHitomi wrote:Oh please, that is disregarding the other statement I made.
I stated that the universe is expanding but isn't accelerating in it's expansion.
Please try not to contradict something so explicity stated. I may not be the best at explaining the reasons why I believe or queston something, but I don't see how you can mistake that sentance.
Let's try this: Posit: DLH is not, despite appearances, a human but in fact a clever and aesthetic arrangement of pebbles and flowers...Krensky2013-02-21T23:34:24ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?DarkLightHitomihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13052013-02-21T23:02:29Z2013-02-21T23:02:29Z<p>Lol</p>LolDarkLightHitomi2013-02-21T23:02:29ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?meatracehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13042013-02-21T22:46:01Z2013-02-21T22:46:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Oh please, that is disregarding the other statement I made.</p>
<p>I stated that the universe is expanding but isn't accelerating in it's expansion.</p>
<p>Please try not to contradict something so explicity stated. I may not be the best at explaining the reasons why I believe or queston something, but I don't see how you can mistake that sentance. </blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote> Please try not to contradict something so explicity stated. I may not be the best at explaining the reasons why I believe or queston something, but I don't see how you can mistake that sentance. </blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote>I don't see how you can mistake that sentance. </blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote>sentance. </blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote><b>sentance.</b> </blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote><span class=messageboard-bigger><b>sentance.</b></span> </blockquote><p>Sentence.DarkLightHitomi wrote:Oh please, that is disregarding the other statement I made.
I stated that the universe is expanding but isn't accelerating in it's expansion.
Please try not to contradict something so explicity stated. I may not be the best at explaining the reasons why I believe or queston something, but I don't see how you can mistake that sentance.
DarkLightHitomi wrote:Please try not to contradict something so explicity stated. I may not be the best at explaining the reasons why I...meatrace2013-02-21T22:46:01ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?DarkLightHitomihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13032013-02-21T22:32:32Z2013-02-21T22:32:32Z<p>Oh please, that is disregarding the other statement I made.</p>
<p>I stated that the universe is expanding but isn't accelerating in it's expansion.</p>
<p>Please try not to contradict something so explicity stated. I may not be the best at explaining the reasons why I believe or queston something, but I don't see how you can mistake that sentance.</p>Oh please, that is disregarding the other statement I made.
I stated that the universe is expanding but isn't accelerating in it's expansion.
Please try not to contradict something so explicity stated. I may not be the best at explaining the reasons why I believe or queston something, but I don't see how you can mistake that sentance.DarkLightHitomi2013-02-21T22:32:32ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?Usagi Yojimbo (alias of Maximillian999)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13022013-02-21T22:10:48Z2013-02-21T22:10:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote>Are we somehow the center of the universe again?</blockquote>I believe that was a rhetorical question to demonstrate the idiocy of the previously described concept, that would result in the earth being the center of the universe, but would also be the logical follow up to one of a couple fallacies I was pointing out. </blockquote><p>CBD- this is actually true. DLH does not understand uniform expansion and stated that the rest of the universe cannot be moving away from Earth because that would mean we would have to be at the center.
<p>So, there was a misunderstanding, but it wasn't the <b>exact</b> one that you thought. ;)</p>DarkLightHitomi wrote:DarkLightHitomi wrote:Are we somehow the center of the universe again?
I believe that was a rhetorical question to demonstrate the idiocy of the previously described concept, that would result in the earth being the center of the universe, but would also be the logical follow up to one of a couple fallacies I was pointing out. CBD- this is actually true. DLH does not understand uniform expansion and stated that the rest of the universe cannot be moving away from Earth...Usagi Yojimbo (alias of Maximillian999)2013-02-21T22:10:48ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: How sustainable is our current model of civilization?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcrr&page=27?How-sustainable-is-our-current-model-of#13012013-02-21T22:05:27Z2013-02-21T22:05:27Z<p>Any word on that alleged tree die off?</p>Any word on that alleged tree die off?BigNorseWolf2013-02-21T22:05:27Z