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So, people kept comparing succubi and erinyes. Some also bring in other possibly seductive creatures, like Lillends.
But I don't remember anyone trying to make a list of creatures that have a focus on seduction or "acts of passion" explicitly mentioned. So, let's try. So far, I found...
Gancanagh,
Vendenopterix,
Fungus Queen,
Pairaka,
Erodaemon.
And Green Hags, I guess, but I'm not linking to them.
And of course succubi, which need no link.
Anything big I missed? I didn't count unique beings, so Arshea is out.
Some things I noticed:
And Gancanagh are the only ones referred to as male, but most of these have some shapechange ability.
Also, we got one CG, one CN, two NE, and three (counting green hags and succubi) CE entries, so while there's some alignment weighting, evil has no monopoly on "grappling".
Now to the interesting part:
What would be the easiest way to set up a grappling competition with all of these as competitors? And how much protection (death ward, immunity to disease against the pairaka (and maybe in general, in this kind of contest) would you need?
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Suggest it to Nocticula as a way to pass the time for an afternoon? Let her make the arrangements.
As for protection, that depends. Are you concerned about half-fiends? Half-azatas?
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Suggest it to Nocticula as a way to pass the time for an afternoon? Let her make the arrangements.
I'm throwing this in as a call-out in my WotR game. When they get to the palace and the big meeting "You interrupted a very important series of experiments."
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Suggest it to Nocticula as a way to pass the time for an afternoon? Let her make the arrangements.I'm throwing this in as a call-out in my WotR game. When they get to the palace and the big meeting "You interrupted a very important series of experiments."
Ooo, can I have a cameo? Please? Pretty please? With a cherry and sugar and whip cream on top?
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Maybe I should rephrase that last to 'With a cherry? And sugar? And a whip? And cream? On top?' LOL
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So, people kept comparing succubi and erinyes. Some also bring in other possibly seductive creatures, like Lillends.
But I don't remember anyone trying to make a list of creatures that have a focus on seduction or "acts of passion" explicitly mentioned. So, let's try. So far, I found...
Try to say Vendenopterix in a grapple...see?, it's just not as sexy as succubus in a grapple.
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Maybe I should rephrase that last to 'With a cherry? And sugar? And a whip? And cream? On top?' LOL
A good example on how punctuation changes everything xD
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Ooo, can I have a cameo? Please? Pretty please? With a cherry and sugar and whip cream on top?Suggest it to Nocticula as a way to pass the time for an afternoon? Let her make the arrangements.I'm throwing this in as a call-out in my WotR game. When they get to the palace and the big meeting "You interrupted a very important series of experiments."
Consider the cameo approved. Helping out the Queen of the Succubi. I'll stat something up for a suitable encounter when we get to the meat of book four.
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So, how well could a nymph and succubus work together as a pair of seduction focused bounty hunters? Does every bounty become a fun catch?
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"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
If you recognize that reference, here's a succubus-shaped cookie.
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"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
If you recognize that reference, here's a succubus-shaped cookie.
Robocop! Now gimme dat bikkie!
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Robocop! Now gimme dat bikkie!"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
If you recognize that reference, here's a succubus-shaped cookie.
I'd rather just get a bike...
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I'd rather just get a bike...
Hm. A Succubus on a motorcycle. Leather-clad, of course. Revving, inviting you to hop on...
You'd have to grapple her just to hold on for dear life!
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*hands Garbage-Tier Waifu the succucookie* Stay out of trouble!
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I'd rather just get a bike...Hm. A Succubus on a motorcycle. Leather-clad, of course. Revving, inviting you to hop on...
You'd have to grapple her just to hold on for dear life!
Kickstarter Sophie from Reaper. I need to finish painting it, and then the hard part, finding a game where a latex-clad succubus on a motorcycle is an appropriate character.
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This is the only thread in the Rules forum that doesn't cause me pain. I just get a funny feeling, like when I used to climb the rope in gym class back in middle school.
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Consider the cameo approved. Helping out the Queen of the Succubi. I'll stat something up for a suitable encounter when we get to the meat of book four.Ooo, can I have a cameo? Please? Pretty please? With a cherry and sugar and whip cream on top?Suggest it to Nocticula as a way to pass the time for an afternoon? Let her make the arrangements.I'm throwing this in as a call-out in my WotR game. When they get to the palace and the big meeting "You interrupted a very important series of experiments."
You're too kind, mistress. If you need my existing stats, PM me as I still have them from the school :)
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Kickstarter Sophie from Reaper. I need to finish painting it, and then the hard part, finding a game where a latex-clad succubus on a motorcycle is an appropriate character.I'd rather just get a bike...Hm. A Succubus on a motorcycle. Leather-clad, of course. Revving, inviting you to hop on...
You'd have to grapple her just to hold on for dear life!
Iron Gods.
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Iron Gods.Kickstarter Sophie from Reaper. I need to finish painting it, and then the hard part, finding a game where a latex-clad succubus on a motorcycle is an appropriate character.I'd rather just get a bike...Hm. A Succubus on a motorcycle. Leather-clad, of course. Revving, inviting you to hop on...
You'd have to grapple her just to hold on for dear life!
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Kickstarter Sophie from Reaper. I need to finish painting it, and then the hard part, finding a game where a latex-clad succubus on a motorcycle is an appropriate character.I'd rather just get a bike...Hm. A Succubus on a motorcycle. Leather-clad, of course. Revving, inviting you to hop on...
You'd have to grapple her just to hold on for dear life!
Hard... or hard-core!?
In fact, there's plenty of fun to go around!
Even with Paizo-only, just grappling grabbing a few hints of things, you can grab just about any AP, re-fluff it, and you're good to go!
Don't, uh... don't read anything into the language of this post.
>.>
*cough*
And of course succubi, which need no link.
You are a daggum liar, and thus a bad person, and should feel bad.
>:I
(Totally awesome for the rest of the post, but otherwise bad. You know.)
That said, keep this in mind as far as the alignment charts go: the fungus queen is essentially just a variant/corrupted succubus-spawn, so it's questionable how "separate" they would be, in counting toward or against the number of chaotic evils. While they are a fundamentally different creature, when asking how much evil is represented by a concept, the fungus queens are grown from the corpse of succubi. Similarly, I'd be cautious about citing the half-succubus (aka "Alu-fiend" - see below).
Anyway, to add to your list...
UNIQUE:
- Spirit of Adoration
- Menotherian
- Devil, Lilith (3PP)
- Devil, the Desire (3PP)
- Devil, Demoriel (3PP)
- Devil, Belial
- Demon, Nocticula
- Demon, Caizel (3PP)
- Demon, Beluiri (3PP)
- Arshea
TEMPLATE
- Half-Succubus
NON-UNIQUE {some are dubious or "weak"}:
- Alraune
- Angel, Dapsara {more "beauty-in-general" than "desire" but still}
- Demon, Cambion
- Demon, Incubus {eh; they're still horrid in every way}
- Demon, Kithangian
- Demon, Lilitu {only some}
- Devil, Addiction {dubious}
- Doppleganger {dubious}
- Dream Eater
- Drow (also?)
- Fey, Encantado {dubious}
- Fey, Fossergrim
- Fey, Nereid
- Rusalka
- Ecstasy Feeder
- Hag, Green (see also, hags in general)
- Harpy
- Inphidian, Dancer
- Maenad
- Medusa
- Satyr
- Seilenos
- Selkie
DUBIOUS CONNECTION
- Lustspawn
- Fleshdreg
- Psychic Stalker
- Intellect Devourer
- Fey, Forlarren
- Ooze, Emotion
OTHER LUSTFUL CREATURES
- Gorynych
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Maybe I should rephrase that last to 'With a cherry? And sugar? And a whip? And cream? On top?' LOL
Can I get dibs on the concession stand?
Oh, and be careful at the rumble. There are rumors of a witch with the cook people hex about. I hear she's giving out succucookies. Make sure you leave with everyone you came with.
/cevah
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Maybe I should rephrase that last to 'With a cherry? And sugar? And a whip? And cream? On top?' LOLCan I get dibs on the concession stand?
Oh, and be careful at the rumble. There are rumors of a witch with the cook people hex about. I hear she's giving out succucookies. Make sure you leave with everyone you came with.
/cevah
I thought you already had the contract for concessions!
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I thought you already had the contract for concessions!Maybe I should rephrase that last to 'With a cherry? And sugar? And a whip? And cream? On top?' LOLCan I get dibs on the concession stand?
Oh, and be careful at the rumble. There are rumors of a witch with the cook people hex about. I hear she's giving out succucookies. Make sure you leave with everyone you came with.
/cevah
I did. But that was for the previous round you were involved in. Don't you remember? This is a whole 'nother event. Hopefully better attended, cause if it doesn't have many viewers, how will I ever make a profit?
/cevah
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Yeah, but while that was last round cevah, I didn't think the contract would be up for renewal till 2020 or so. *checks fine print* Nope, see, you're still good.
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I'd have thought nymphs would be a natural link to add to those lists, yet neither has them? What gives?
After all, nymphs and succubi go together like... well, you get the idea.
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nymphs and succubi go together like... well, you get the idea.
...like they're grappling?
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I have it on good authority that nymphs like to play and tease. However, they are conflict-averse. A grappling session where levels can be drained would seem like combat to them.
However, having them parade the cards indicating the round number in a multi-round event, or single rounds for many pairs, is another matter. Wonder if I can get them to assist in the booth. Nah. Having all the customers have to touch everything because they got blinded won't help. Better to have a succubus do the assisting and modeling.
/cevah
PS: @Lathiira, I think I overlooked the fine print. Thanks.
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PS: @Lathiira, I think I overlooked the fine print. Thanks.
No problem. Always happy to help a friend!
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I have it on good authority that nymphs like to play and tease. However, they are conflict-averse. A grappling session where levels can be drained would seem like combat to them.
However, having them parade the cards indicating the round number in a multi-round event, or single rounds for many pairs, is another matter. Wonder if I can get them to assist in the booth. Nah. Having all the customers have to touch everything because they got blinded won't help. Better to have a succubus do the assisting and modeling.
/cevah
PS: @Lathiira, I think I overlooked the fine print. Thanks.
Also, though they go together, that is because they are both "classic beauties" in the original monster manuals/Bestiaries. Nymphs themselves are never particularly described as lustful or lusty; it's a similar reason to why I left dryads off the list, despite the fact that many (such as that bestiary one and the one in Serpent's Skull and Kingmaker) being implied to be great beauties/not averse to using their wiles. Similarly, the bloudwedds, I think (though I'm much rockier on that creature).
Anyway, compare that to, say, the nereid I linked above which explicitly affects those sexually attracted to her (or those that could be). Hence the inclusion of the nereid instead of the other three - beauty and charm need not go with sexual attraction (though they certainly help!).
Certainly could be added - but as I said, the list above was ill-organized and the results of simple word-searches hastily slapped together (lust, desire, sex, gender, and maybe something else? I do t recall).
And now, alas, I'm on my phone... so not from me.
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... but don't let that stop you!
(Or -however temporarily - kill the momentum of this thread...)
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Oh, hey, AlgeaNymph: if you happen to have it, could you PM me a link to that thing I wrote/typed up for you in someone's thread that one time? Also include a reminder if I missed anything? My memory is spotty. Also, I might repost it here, if it's valid.
That said, I'm not likely to be able to post it soon...
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When a succubus is grappling a porcupine, why she's not taking any damage from the quills? I know she has Damage Reduction, but what actually happens?
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When a succubus is grappling a porcupine, why she's not taking any damage from the quills? I know she has Damage Reduction, but what actually happens?
I bet it feels more like a bath loofah and the spines give pleasurable stimulation.
/cevah
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When a succubus is grappling a porcupine, why she's not taking any damage from the quills? I know she has Damage Reduction, but what actually happens?
I bet it feels more like a bath loofah and the spines give pleasurable stimulation.
/cevah
Succubus' CMB is +11, Porcupine's CMD is 9. The Porcupine is being pinned. The tail slap being 1d3 damage, on a critical will do 6 damage at most(20/x2), can't get through the Succubi's DR 10/Cold iron or Good(Porcupine is True Neutral).
My money is on a sensation similar to a Wartenberg Wheel or Vampire Gloves.
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Well, with all those quills, she might be able to use one as a hairbrush I suppose.
For that matter, now I have this image of a succubus keeping a porcupine as an odd pet. Might have to put this into a campaign at some point....
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Is it okay to use Summon Monster just to get a likely outsider's number so you can call them later?
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Is it okay to use Summon Monster just to get a likely outsider's number so you can call them later?
Since those spells let you do more than send the creature into combat if you communicate with them, why not? You could fill your little black book with any number of creatures that way.
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Is it okay to use Summon Monster just to get a likely outsider's number so you can call them later?
Depends on the GM of the game you're in. I've had to tell my players that "Summon Booty Call" is not a spell in the book.
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Is it okay to use Summon Monster just to get a likely outsider's number so you can call them later?
Sure, but if an outsider gives you their true name (the outsider equivalent of a number) just because you've summoned them, then they're either very stupid or have some ulterior motives. Although the common name may suffice, as with Daemons.
You know what, I've never considered exactly what you can direct your summoned monsters to do. The description of Summon Monster mostly talks about directing them to attack with the understanding that they will obey you, regardless of, say, alignment differences. But it also states that "you can direct it not to attack, to attack particular enemies, or to perform other actions".Does giving out information, including names (true or otherwise), count as "performing other actions"? I doubt that's the intention (that's basically the whole point of Bind Sage, a calling spell), but what is the exact nature of the implicit contract between you and a summoned creature?
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Is it okay to use Summon Monster just to get a likely outsider's number so you can call them later?Depends on the GM of the game you're in. I've had to tell my players that "Summon Booty Call" is not a spell in the book.
But it could be!
Independent Research: A wizard can also research a spell independently, duplicating an existing spell or creating an entirely new one. The cost to research a new spell, and the time required, are left up to GM discretion, but it should probably take at least 1 week and cost at least 1,000 gp per level of the spell to be researched. This should also require a number of Spellcraft and Knowledge (arcana) checks.
Someone needs to get to work on this immediately.
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I don't know....I can see a grappler managing a succubus-proof hold...
Attack from behind, grappler's arms up under the succubus' arms, reaching back and pulling those arms back, reach back under the succubus' wings, push them up, hands on the back of the succubus' head, holding that down, pin to the ground,...
After all these years, I hadn't noticed how Mikaze's words can be interpreted totally the opposite he intended to.
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I think we don't summon actual living outsiders. To get that we have to call them.
The exact flavor of what summoning does isn't made all that clear, but I'm reasonably certain that we're not just creating entities that look and work like outsiders out of thin air. That would be a creation spell, not summoning.
The rules state:Summoning: a summoning spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place you designate. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from, but a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this. A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower, but it is not really dead. It takes 24 hours for the creature to reform, during which time it can’t be summoned again.
Everything about this clearly says that you are bringing individual outsiders into this world which simply have a special clause about being sent back when their hit points are depleted. Especially the line about outsiders needing to reform after getting killed while summoned implies that it is an actual, living, individual outsider.
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After all these years, I hadn't noticed how Mikaze's words can be interpreted totally the opposite he intended to.I don't know....I can see a grappler managing a succubus-proof hold...
Attack from behind, grappler's arms up under the succubus' arms, reaching back and pulling those arms back, reach back under the succubus' wings, push them up, hands on the back of the succubus' head, holding that down, pin to the ground,...
Tried that with Crimson, forgot about the tail....
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Tried that with Crimson, forgot about the tail....After all these years, I hadn't noticed how Mikaze's words can be interpreted totally the opposite he intended to.I don't know....I can see a grappler managing a succubus-proof hold...
Attack from behind, grappler's arms up under the succubus' arms, reaching back and pulling those arms back, reach back under the succubus' wings, push them up, hands on the back of the succubus' head, holding that down, pin to the ground,...
Ok, picturing Crimson and Lathiira in this scenario...purely for rules reasons...honest! Is it getting warm in here?
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Tried that with Crimson, forgot about the tail....After all these years, I hadn't noticed how Mikaze's words can be interpreted totally the opposite he intended to.I don't know....I can see a grappler managing a succubus-proof hold...
Attack from behind, grappler's arms up under the succubus' arms, reaching back and pulling those arms back, reach back under the succubus' wings, push them up, hands on the back of the succubus' head, holding that down, pin to the ground,...
That tail is a tricky thing isn't it? Certainly can provide a...circumstance bonus to escape artist checks?.
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That tail is a tricky thing isn't it? Certainly can provide a...circumstance bonus to escape artist checks?.Tried that with Crimson, forgot about the tail....After all these years, I hadn't noticed how Mikaze's words can be interpreted totally the opposite he intended to.I don't know....I can see a grappler managing a succubus-proof hold...
Attack from behind, grappler's arms up under the succubus' arms, reaching back and pulling those arms back, reach back under the succubus' wings, push them up, hands on the back of the succubus' head, holding that down, pin to the ground,...
That it most certainly did!