Succubus in a grapple.


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Only if someone can watch and verify it really happened.

/cevah, seller of tickets


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What, you won't take the word of the participants? Seems you're impugning the honor of the succubus in question. When did she ever lie to you, hmm?


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Quiet please.
I'm trying to drum up business... I'll cut you in, if you help.

/cevah


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lines up anonymously to buy a ticket


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A few moments later, there is a quiet exchange.
...Another happy customer.

/cevah


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I assure you Cevah, I ensure my work meets every standard of academic rigor. If you wish to verify the integrity and honor of my work, I am sure a closer examination can be arraigned. What's the CMD of a level 13 merchant again? :)


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Now now, Crimson, Cevah's been a very cooperative and helpful person. There really isn't a good reason to put him in such a spot, is there? I think we already know how that will turn out.


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As a merchant who knows what goods he's getting into with, he'll probably have some scrolls of death ward, so he should be fine ... for a bit.


Man, with the amount of revenue this puppy is generating, just get a continuous tattoo...


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Well, CrimsonVixen, I might surprise you. But your info on me is not up to date. [Sorry.] Still, you got 10HD on me, and I am a sucker for a pretty lady.

I would much prefer to work with you. Then we both win.

Speaking of academic work, when are you going to publish? I can hardly wait to get me hands on an illustrated copy. I have plans for widespread publication, but without something to publish, there go my our profits. Sigh.

Tell me. Would you rather prefer to have people believe you are awesome because you say so, or would you prefer to demonstrate just how awesome you are in front of an adoring crowd? Given how many tickets I have been selling, I can guarantee a fair size crowd.

/cevah


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Ya' know, if the succubus had greater grapple, they could use their standard action to make a trip attempt to knock their partner prone.


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*Digs out the new playtest books and makes herself comfortable.* Let's see here...Lust Demon. Looks like we get a nice little buff. Diplomacy rather than Athletics to grapple. If you're willing, it's automatic. And we have a charming aura that doesn't have a save. I guess we're just that hot now.


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You can only kiss once a round now though, (and it's not automatic anymore).


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CrimsonVixen wrote:
*Digs out the new playtest books and makes herself comfortable.* Let's see here...Lust Demon. Looks like we get a nice little buff. Diplomacy rather than Athletics to grapple. If you're willing, it's automatic. And we have a charming aura that doesn't have a save. I guess we're just that hot now.

You already were ;)


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From another thread, a thing to consider:

RealAlchemy wrote:
Can a monk succubus do a flurry of kisses and drain at amazing speed?


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^Looks like in 2nd Edition, this might be possible. Well, I haven't had the chance to look at the recently-released PDF yet, but judging from the various blogs, at least it seems like the alignment conflict is probably gone.


If they can flurry of "blows" (or kisses or caresses or whatever), than PF 2e did just tick up a step in "cool" to my way of thinking.


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Adjoint wrote:

From another thread, a thing to consider:

RealAlchemy wrote:
Can a monk succubus do a flurry of kisses and drain at amazing speed?

Flurry of Blows uses unarmed strikes, while Passionate Kiss is an offensive ability. As a GM, I'm not quite sure if I'd house-rule it or not, though I like the idea of a 'making out' trick for a succubus monk, give up the other actions to do multiple kisses in a round, maybe with a bite attack? (Which the Succubus totally needs, 1d4-1, non-lethal, piercing and counts as an act of passion for Passionate Kiss).


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Just apply the Improvised Weapon Proficiency to your Passionate Kiss. Now it is an improvised weapon, and you can flurry with it.

Maybe instead you can use the Nature's Weapons feat and get your Passionate Kiss some additional damage.

You could always add Throw Anything to trow Passionate Kisses to others.

For extra kick, apply Ability Focus to the Passionate Kiss.

/cevah


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I'll volunteer for that test Crimson!


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Lathiira wrote:
I'll volunteer for that test Crimson!

Would this need to be in a PbP forum, or the PF2 Playtest forum?

It looks like enervation 1 is automatic with each kiss, and it's a DC 21 will save to avoid being affected by a suggestion to submit to me. Though I can't tell if there'd be a penalty for the suggestion being something you'd already be willing to do.


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PbP I'd say. As for willingness to submit...yet to be determined who submits to who!


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^. . . er, doesn't that kind of test have to be performed person-to-person? Or have I missed some advance in PbP technology?


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You have missed some technology advances....

That said, face-to-face is better, but more difficult for the viewers to get a good understanding of what is happening. Given the literary skills of these two, I expect detailed descriptions in the PbP record, suitable for inclusion in the research article that we are all waiting for.

/cevah


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Face-to-face more difficult for the viewers to get a good understanding of what is happening? I would have thought the opposite . . . assuming, of course, that the researchers take advantage of the face-to-face to generate pictures, and duly post them, for the public advance of scientific interest . . . .


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Yes, more difficult. That is because after thee first few, the rest of the viewers only can see the back of the heads in front of them. While PbP can have hundreds reading the salacious details. The few that can see the details in person also only have only a single viewpoint at a time, while the readers can read about all the wonderful viewpoints that exist without blocking one another's views. The readers also get to experience the event as often as they wish by starting over.

/cevah


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. . . and suddenly, I'm reminded of this.


So, curious: are their any SF variants of succubi, yet?

I haven't been quite sure what does and does not exist out there.


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Yep. The Albino Exotic as defined in The Man Who Never Missed (1985).

Bio-Engineered to have extremely powerful pheromones, no man can resist them. They are created as a slave race originally, but some escape their servitude on the pleasure planet. (Moon? Been decades since I read it.)

While they do not drain you of vitality, they do take away your desire to do anything they don't want you to do.

If you want draining, then Stargate Atlantis (2004) has creatures that feed directly off of life force. Not any sexier than normal people, but hey they do drain. (Also reminds me of the film Lifeforce (1985).)

...rethink...

I think I will just submit the film as the SF equivalent. She was sexy and draining. And all the way back to '85. Over thirty years ago.

Edit: Forgot Star Trek's The Man Trap (1966). It could be anyone you wanted, and it drained you to death. Make that fifty years ago.

/cevah


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Another one from Star Trek: The Original Series: Elaan of Troyius(*). (First broadcast just a hair under 50 years ago.)

(*)Disclaimer: I didn't say it was good . . . .


So, I'm curious if anyone here has personally done any research with Nocticula or Shamira? I mean, patronage of such famous individuals would go a long way towards helping the... prestige of research!


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Tacticslion wrote:
So, I'm curious if anyone here has personally done any research with Nocticula or Shamira? I mean, patronage of such famous individuals would go a long way towards helping the... prestige of research!

All future research involving Nocticula has run into a tiny little roadblock. Having unlimited cosmic power makes quantified data difficult to acquire.


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Not to mention that she's been a little bit busy with things like cleaning up, packing up, and moving.

Hello Crimson!


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CrimsonVixen wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
So, I'm curious if anyone here has personally done any research with Nocticula or Shamira? I mean, patronage of such famous individuals would go a long way towards helping the... prestige of research!
All future research involving Nocticula has run into a tiny little roadblock. Having unlimited cosmic power makes quantified data difficult to acquire.

I imagine she wouldn't mind some help testing what she's able to do now ;D


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With this shapechanger bloodline power:

Quote:
Mutable Flesh (Su) At 3rd level, once per day when you cast a transmutation spell with a duration of 1 minute per level that affects only you, you can increase its duration to 10 minutes per level. At 9th level, you can increase the duration to 1 hour per level.

And the power of this spellbook:

Quote:
Change Magic (Su) Even the nature of magic is susceptible to your powerful transmutations. You can spend this boon as a swift action to declare a non-transmutation spell you are casting to be “changed magic.” This spell becomes a transmutation effect, and benefits from any abilities or feats that influence your transmutation spells and can be applied to the spell you cast (such as Spell Focus).

We can apply death ward for hours per level, allowing for much time to enjoy grappling the succubus.


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Unfortunately, Death Ward is not on the Sorcerer's spell list, so you need to be a Cleric/Oracle/Druid/Witch/Alchemist/Inquisitor/Paladin (haha probably not that last one) with Improved Eldritch Heritage.

Probably still worth it, though.


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james014Aura wrote:

Unfortunately, Death Ward is not on the Sorcerer's spell list, so you need to be a Cleric/Oracle/Druid/Witch/Alchemist/Inquisitor/Paladin (haha probably not that last one) with Improved Eldritch Heritage.

Probably still worth it, though.

A ring of spell knowledge works as well.


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james014Aura wrote:

Unfortunately, Death Ward is not on the Sorcerer's spell list, so you need to be a Cleric/Oracle/Druid/Witch/Alchemist/Inquisitor/Paladin (haha probably not that last one) with Improved Eldritch Heritage.

Probably still worth it, though.

Is there really any doubt?


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I was doing research unrelated to this subject regarding grab and constrict for an upcoming game...

And yet...
I found myself wrapped up in this discussion, unable to break away.

I am left feeling exhausted, and longing for more.


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I think you must have run into the succubi cheerleaders. Good thing you escaped quickly.

/cevah

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Hello good friends, it is I, the progenitor.
I come forth with more tales from the wildlands.

In this case, a steel breaker decided after tearing off a very high level succubus gear, that he would give himself grapple abilities the next round.

The succubus had a cloak of dreams up, that the steelbreaker of course was making saves against for a bit...

Anyway, understanding the rules as we do. When he said he wanted to choke her. I of course being the terrible person I am, said in my best voice. "Harder daddy!"...

The player, shot a fountain of... soda from their nose at that. Of course, being the fun loving guy I am. I told him he just got drained. And I'd need him to make a will save.
Out came the natural 1.

Oh friends. It went downhill from there. The descent into madness and the squeaking sounds of me in my best accented oriental voice saying "harder daddy" was quickly followed by another natural 1... this time on the cloak of dreams.

Now! The question for this forum.

Does my continued acts of passion agaisnt my now slumbering foe cause them to wake up? And if so, how many and what kind of spells do they (the players, and pcs) need to memory wipe my jovial self squeaking - "harder daddy!".

My warmest regards for those in my thread for almost seven plus years.


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The Cloak of Dreams states Sleeping creatures are helpless but can be awakened with a standard action or after being wounded.. Technically, draining is not wounding, so they would not wake from that. So they stay sleeping for a minute while you drain your daddy harder and harder. The party can interfere in many ways, and is the only real hope for saving them, as they start in the cloak's effect and so need to save again. But with 10 negative levels before they wake, that save will be quite hard. And each failed save vs. the cloak resets the duration.

As to dealing with that memory, there is Memory Lapse, but that only removes a single round of memory. For a better result, use Modify Memory, as it can remove or modify 5 minutes worth. The best spell, though, is Memory Crystal as it can remove a specific memory from any time after.

These spells, while they work for the PC, won't remove the memory of the soda fountain.

/cevah


I LOVE the smell of SiaG in the morning!


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Nothing quite like waking up to a succubus, grappling or otherwise!


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Oh yeah!


Cevah wrote:

Yep. The Albino Exotic as defined in The Man Who Never Missed (1985).

Bio-Engineered to have extremely powerful pheromones, no man can resist them. They are created as a slave race originally, but some escape their servitude on the pleasure planet. (Moon? Been decades since I read it.)

While they do not drain you of vitality, they do take away your desire to do anything they don't want you to do.

If you want draining, then Stargate Atlantis (2004) has creatures that feed directly off of life force. Not any sexier than normal people, but hey they do drain. (Also reminds me of the film Lifeforce (1985).)

...rethink...

I think I will just submit the film as the SF equivalent. She was sexy and draining. And all the way back to '85. Over thirty years ago.

Edit: Forgot Star Trek's The Man Trap (1966). It could be anyone you wanted, and it drained you to death. Make that fifty years ago.

/cevah

Now to see about converting these to StarFinder...


Now, I don't want to derail this highly scientific thread, but I think the experts here can shine some light on another matter:
Are Androids fully functional and anatomically correct?


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There's a nanite sorcerer bloodline and racial heritage (android) is possible, so available evidence says yes.


Rajnish Umbra, Shadow Caller wrote:

Now, I don't want to derail this highly scientific thread, but I think the experts here can shine some light on another matter:

Are Androids fully functional and anatomically correct?

Well, the film "The Creation of the Humanoids" ends with the androids getting a final operation: procreation. Did it work? Well, in the closing words of the movie:

Dr Raven, Mk II wrote:
Of course, the operation was a success...or YOU wouldn't be here.

/cevah


You know, with PF2 around the corner, we really should wrap up and review our findings. If my partner would like to take the floor, CrimsonVixen, you can give us your input....

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