How many days...week? was in that gap.
I am unsure if it was made explicit...
Shane came in with flowers, but we don't know how long between the floral delivery and the advent of the zombie apocalypse. Flowers don't last much more than a week, so it's at least that long.
His muscles weren't massively atrophied when he stood.
No clue how bad his injury was, so either it's longer and he's healed a bunch, or it wasn't as bad as it looked (or he's so tough he makes all of us swoon).
I'd want to say weeks, but we watched the power go off, so I'd imagine it's much less since he'd need to eat and drink.
You all make some great points but I want to clarify a few things. Play the Walking Dead game. There is a LOT of background given on why things went to s!%+ so quickly, and why military bases are a bad idea.
Edit: I definitely agree about the prison and all the random military gear they didn't bother to pick up. But they are starting to learn and that's a good thing.
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As for 'Anti Zombie defenses'? Any one who can operate a container loading machine (Crane/forklift) can make for themselves an impregnable anit-zombie fort. No amount of walking undead humans will push over a shipping container...empty or full...:P
To paraphrase myself ...
wall of shipping containers meet ramp of zombies.
The things about zombies is not only that they will not stop, if they encounter a barrier that they cannot break through, inevitably, they will "ramp up" over the wall. That is, they do not care about other zombies, so they will march right over them. They hit a solid wall, as the zombies fall, they will form a ramp of zombies which other zombies will walk up and, ultimately, over the barrier.
When in doubt, kill zombies.
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What if we had mutant crab zombies, and dumped those on the zombies trying to create a ramp. What could possibly go wrong with mutating normal animals into larger sizes and then making them into zombies?
Also, why is the bite of a zombie so deadly? They've already established that everyone's infected, and I can't count how many times they've used a blade to kill a zombie and then immediately used it to inflict a moderate bleeding wound or cut off someone's leg (okay, so the later only happened once so far). Does the bite inject a super-dose of zombie virus?
The characters should take a moment to be thankful that only humans seem to be vulnerable to zombification. Herds of vengeful zombie cows could be even worse than mutant crab zombies.
Also, why is the bite of a zombie so deadly? They've already established that everyone's infected, and I can't count how many times they've used a blade to kill a zombie and then immediately used it to inflict a moderate bleeding wound or cut off someone's leg (okay, so the later only happened once so far). Does the bite inject a super-dose of zombie virus?
Actually I think that's similar to what it does. It could be like we have a benign level of E. Coli living in our colon, but if it goes out of balance we could die. The writers are deliberately silent both because these are ordinary people fighting for their lives and because it keeps them from getting too science and not enough fiction.
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I'm glad they don't take these suggestions. I'd have a lot less fun watching a show about a group of people living peacefully on a farm surrounded by fortifications with a huge supply of Walmart shotguns and slugs. ;-)
I'm glad they don't take these suggestions. I'd have a lot less fun watching a show about a group of people living peacefully on a farm surrounded by fortifications with a huge supply of Walmart shotguns and slugs. ;-)
Easily Resolved with a Little Ingenuity:
- Man vs. nature: A dam breaks and floods the valley. A nuclear power plant explodes. A forest fire rages out of control. A tornado comes along.- A military helicopter arrives with a duo of gunships. They abduct a few people and then open up on everyone else.
- One of the people inside the fortifications gets bit on a supply run and hides it, but rather than just having a lame/tragic demise takes out a few on the way.
- Someone goes nuts and decides to side with the zombies and opens the door once everyone gets complacent.
- Returning to man vs. man: a group of humans lays siege to the joint. Think Monty Python, but replace the cow with catapulted zombies.
- They suck at building fortifications, so even though it looks like it's solid...it so isn't.
- Animals start getting infected and a murder of crows is more than just a group of them. This also would be fun CGI to watch their ungainly flight with the smattering of feathers that remain (easier to keep them aloft since they don't really have innards that matter....they could peck out their own bellies).
- A radio signal draws them out to save people, or find a cure.
- Underground stream that feeds the well also provide entrance.
It's a fun exercise in lateral thinking to consider how to defeat your own advice : )
I find it odd that in this age of information the people just don't know about zombies or the general rules that govern zombies.
Its almost always treated like a brand new thing, the dead coming back to life to nom the living, yet our current zombie mythos has been around for the majority of the lifetime of adults (Night of the Living Dead in 1968). Did their Earth just not have any zombie media prior to the plague? Were their zombie myths drastically different than the ones plaguing humanity? Did you need to spout a litany of prayers while using gold bullets fired by naked virgins to stop them in the myths and that's why people didn't initially think to be silent, go for the head with hand weapons, and wear protective clothing?
Even if people are initially ignorant, they should have time before the fall of the powergids that they would be able to google up / download pdfs of information on zombies and zombie survival. Heck, Walking Dead (comic) started the same year that Max Brooks' vastly popular Zombie Survival Guide was published. It would still have had prominent floorspace in all of those now shuttered brick and mortar bookstores and should have been the most popular book of all time before the collapse of civilization . . . maybe even after.
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I'm glad they don't take these suggestions. I'd have a lot less fun watching a show about a group of people living peacefully on a farm surrounded by fortifications with a huge supply of Walmart shotguns and slugs. ;-)
I doubt it'd be that much different. Instead of wandering off on his own, Carl would begin dropping ammunition into wells due to some poorly explained pre-teen rebellious phase. To teach him a lesson, Lori would drive into town and lure back a herd of zombies by dragging steaks behind her. Everyone else would be arguing about who's turn it is to do the dishes, which would devolve into a 2 or 3 way Mexican standoff while the crops go untended.
Now, if the showrunners and writers could be bothered to create drama without having the characters (*cough* Lori *cough*) do stupid, inconsistent, and generally unbelieveable things, it'd be easier to ignore all the other zombie-ramp-based logic holes.
Oh wait...they're kinda doing that so far in Season 3...hmmm...
What will I complain about if the show actually becomes good, instead of stupid but tolerable.
Simply have the zombie go from mindless to a very basic animalistic intelligence.
Climbing? Sure.
Uh oh!
This whole zombie ramp scenario makes me really appreciate the shows use of "the everybody is already infected!" idea. You stack those crates up real high and keep the zombies out. Then one of your members dies of old age/dehydration/starvation/whathaveyou and boom zombie outbreak inside your impenetrable fortress that you now cant get out of. (assuming that you dont know everybody is already infected)
Simply have the zombie go from mindless to a very basic animalistic intelligence.
Climbing? Sure.
Uh oh!
Am I misremembering, or were there fresh zombies in season one that actually went over a fence while chasing Rick and Alan in the city?
Am I misremembering, or were there fresh zombies in season one that actually went over a fence while chasing Rick and Alan in the city?
You remember correctly. There was some zombie climbing action going on in Season 1.
There was some thinking going on. That guy's wife (forget his name, the one with the kid that were hunkered down in the house with all the windows covered) was trying the doorknob.
Perhaps as they rot they lose more of their intellectual skills, though the CDC scene (where you got to see an MRI of the wife shot) suggested they aren't going to be getting into Mensa any time soon (not sure how long she was zombified, but I got the impression it was for a few minutes only). Not sure what to make of all of that.
Also, for "walking" dead, some of those little buggers can motor.
Am I misremembering, or were there fresh zombies in season one that actually went over a fence while chasing Rick and Alan in the city?You remember correctly. There was some zombie climbing action going on in Season 1.
There was some thinking going on. That guy's wife (forget his name, the one with the kid that were hunkered down in the house with all the windows covered) was trying the doorknob.
Perhaps as they rot they lose more of their intellectual skills, though the CDC scene (where you got to see an MRI of the wife shot) suggested they aren't going to be getting into Mensa any time soon (not sure how long she was zombified, but I got the impression it was for a few minutes only). Not sure what to make of all of that.
Also, for "walking" dead, some of those little buggers can motor.
They tend to get faster the closer they are to prey, from a shuffle up to a slow lope.
They tend to get faster the closer they are to prey, from a shuffle up to a slow lope.
That's odd to maybe only me.
If you're tireless, which they appear to be, then you wouldn't worry about saving your energy for a run.
If you cannot sense something from afar, and only perceive them when you close, then a lot of the interactions wouldn't make sense, it's obvious that these zombies are a tad vacant, but can hear/see things for afarish.
If you have the potential to run, and you don't, it would suggest that you're thinking.
They tend to get faster the closer they are to prey, from a shuffle up to a slow lope.That's odd to maybe only me.
If you're tireless, which they appear to be, then you wouldn't worry about saving your energy for a run.
If you cannot sense something from afar, and only perceive them when you close, then a lot of the interactions wouldn't make sense, it's obvious that these zombies are a tad vacant, but can hear/see things for afarish.
If you have the potential to run, and you don't, it would suggest that you're thinking.
As far as we can tell from the series, it's something akin to blood lust. The closer they are to prey, the more they awaken. But they never regain enough motor skills to run. It's more instinctual.
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Season 3 makes me happy.
Am I misremembering, or were there fresh zombies in season one that actually went over a fence while chasing Rick and Alan in the city?Simply have the zombie go from mindless to a very basic animalistic intelligence.
Climbing? Sure.
Uh oh!
Yes. We have also seen them use simple tools, like the one that used a brick or concrete block to bash through the security window of the store they were looting way back in S1E2.
lol this thread went from "how you vex me" to season 3 making us swoon like junior high girls on our third date.
Bunch of softies, come'ere and gimme a hugs!
<bites at brains>
Also i don't think they are as mindless as believed
I mean they knew to us bricks to smash windows one had the sense to check out the rv when the door got left open they head towards noise and will look around for the source
Does the last episode count as Dr Who meets the Walking Dead.
Does the last episode count as Dr Who meets the Walking Dead.
LOL, who needs a crossbow, I'll just land my TARDIS on you :)
my advice to you is this: try not to think too much when you're watching t.v.; it's counterproductive.
There's plenty of smart TV that rewards intelligent thinking (THE WIRE being the obvious example, but there's a few others), though THE WALKING DEAD isn't really in the same class.
If only there was a gun somewhere near the tank that could help with that crowd...
*twitch in eye*
(twitch in eye)
The tank was out of ammo. Or at least, the scripted intro to Season 2 (which they wouldn't film because of the budget cuts, which led to Frank Darabont walking off the show) would have featured a flashback to the tank and the soldiers manning it, and would have shown them mowing zombies down until they were out of ammo.
That wasn't stated blatantly in the episode, but seemed a reasonable explanation at the time.
Something I think that is often neglected in these sorts of "talks" about how much better "I" would be at this, regarding zombie apocalypse scenarios is this, zombies may be, in your opinion, easy to stop, but you have forgotton that they are relentless.
True, but in the TV show (and the comic, though to a lesser degree) the gang spend weeks at the farm without there being a zombie incursion. More than enough time to do some fortifying. Though IIRC Hershel didn't own a backhoe.
I find it odd that in this age of information the people just don't know about zombies or the general rules that govern zombies...
As mentioned, in the world of THE WALKING DEAD there is no zombie literature or movies. They just never happened, leaving everything completely unprepared. OTOH, SHAUN OF THE DEAD and THE PASSAGE series (which is more about vampire/zombie hybrids, but similar enough) are all set in worlds with pre-existing zombie literature, so the people know a bit more about how to be prepared.
The tank was out of ammo. Or at least, the scripted intro to Season 2 (which they wouldn't film because of the budget cuts, which led to Frank Darabont walking off the show) would have featured a flashback to the tank and the soldiers manning it, and would have shown them mowing zombies down until they were out of ammo.
I don't remember seeing any shell casings. Perhaps they were there and I just missed them, or the tank fires caseless rounds, or the zombies sweeped up...
Do you have any idea how much time it would take to make a strong fence around that entire property?
Ummmm...DUUUUHHHHH...you have one peasant farming wood, two farming stone and you click one of the peasants to make a wall...HOW IS THAT SO
HARD?? :DIMHO, Lori needs to get bitten.
Otherwise I like the series.
I find it odd that in this age of information the people just don't know about zombies or the general rules that govern zombies.
Its almost always treated like a brand new thing, the dead coming back to life to nom the living, yet our current zombie mythos has been around for the majority of the lifetime of adults (Night of the Living Dead in 1968). Did their Earth just not have any zombie media prior to the plague? Were their zombie myths drastically different than the ones plaguing humanity? Did you need to spout a litany of prayers while using gold bullets fired by naked virgins to stop them in the myths and that's why people didn't initially think to be silent, go for the head with hand weapons, and wear protective clothing
I believe it has been explicitly stated by the creators that in this universe, there was no George Romero to kick off the "Zombies as Undead Flesh Eaters" trope. The only thing people knew of zombies were from Voodoo movies which are vastly different. Also an explantation as to why they aren't using the "Z" word. In fact, most other zombie apocalypse movies are the same way except for Return of the Living Dead, which they gave an explanation for in movie.
I don't remember seeing any shell casings. Perhaps they were there and I just missed them, or the tank fires caseless rounds, or the zombies sweeped up...
Shell casings for small arms and anti-personel firearms are ejected out of the turret. It would not be good to have shell-casings rolling around inside a turret, presenting a trip hazard and letting the casings get in the turret rotation channels
Well, that was pretty awesome.
one of the most intense episodes yet.
Overall I am enjoying this season. I think they seem to overall be planning things better. That said.
I wonder what losing Lori is going to do to Rick. I'm assuming that Carl will be come a cold hearted bastard and do something stupid here before long.
It's too bad they lost T-Dog. I would have rather they lost Hershel.
Is Carol dead? Or just lost somewhere inside the prison still after T-Dog gave her the chance to break away when he sacrificed himself?
They need a daily checklist or something - a plan to patrol the entry points into the prison complex.
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That's right, a military base! Spin me a tale in which a zombie hoard makes it's way through concrete barriers, blast walls, and past trained soldiers who have spent years drilling on how to defend themselves against invading forces that border on competence and yet these same zombies can't overcome a chain link fence and spoon in a door handle to kill our intrepid heroes.
You're right, but we don't know everything about the zombie plague. Maybe a component of it was airborne and maybe 90% of the population weren't resistance to the airborne plague. That would certainly change things.
If the zombie plague is transferred by only death, bite or infection, I tend to agree with everyone here that it's highly unlikely zombies would be successful at all.
I am going to reiterate Humans, even with out firearms, are more dangerous than zombies. Humans have been building proper walls to defend against other humans for thousands of years.
And earthworks don't get pushed down.
Again, we don't know the entire infection story. Zombies would be dangerous is suddenly 90% of the population turned into a zombie and the 10% remaining had to deal with it.
Earthworks? Do you mean trenches or walls? I didn't see any construction equipment. Takes a lot of gas, takes a lot of time, causes a lot of noise. Wouldn't it suck constructing something and because of the noise you're making it summons a herd. Feel stupid then?
Also, sure you could fortify a small area with some effort, but not the area the size of a multi-acre farm (which is what I was talking about). My brother owns a 5 acre farm and I helped put up (pre-constructed fencing) on the property and it took days of effort (for 4 men) to do only a portion. And that fence wouldn't keep zombies out either.
Like I already said, the problem wouldn't be fortifying yourself. The problem would be mostly food and water, specifically renewable food after your supplies run out. Great, you survive! Too bad all the livestock is now dead.
Am I misremembering, or were there fresh zombies in season one that actually went over a fence while chasing Rick and Alan in the city?
In a few of the episodes, the zombies were really really fast, fast enough to be a credible threat to anyone using melee weapons. Maybe the zombies are getting slower?
Yeah, the last episode was really good, but really sad too.
Lori = gone.
Show = better.
Xenh = happy.
I want to know how long it took them to move that bus away from the gate. For that matter, how long did it take whoever put it there in the first place to do so? Anyone else notice that it should probably have been facing the other way?
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Carl isn't going to become stupid. The narrative is building him up as the biggest badass the world has ever known. He's essentially power-leveling as a Survivor. By the time he's 18 years old, he'll be level 20 and invincible, capable of uniting an entire army of survivors and restoring democratic, common-law values.
Sure, he goes off and does tasks alone now and then, but you know he only does it because otherwise the group will argue long and bitterly about the task at hand, when he knows it's better to just DO IT. Rather than risk the morale drops in the group, which leads to arguments and stupid decisions.
Go Carl!
Go Carl!
He has a sociopath thing going.
"Dad you're crying because I shot mom in the head after watching her get eviscerated in front of me...."
<awkward pause>
"Pass the salt."
Or decided to let her become a pet zombie.
Is it just me, or wasn't the first order of business to clear the prison room by room? Not a bad episode, but kind of stretching it.
They cleared the cell block they set up camp in, and another one for the other prisoners. Other than that, they secured the blocks against incursion from elsewhere in the prison. Which is why they got overrun. The prisoner that Rick let loose to be eaten by zombies survived, and led the walkers into their cellblock to eat them.
Which is part and parcel of why Rick is so distraught. Had he just given the guy a clean death, none of this would have happened.
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I seem to remember them discussing it before they actually went in, their first order of business was to clear the prison room by room, and just assumed it was being done in the down time. I imagine it would take the other two prisoners a few days at least to clean out the bodies from their block, especially hauling them to the roof to throw over. But whatever. It is what it is.